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Lady Freedom Returns

(14,120 posts)
Sat May 18, 2013, 02:50 PM May 2013

Ok, this is it! I will try one more time…

For all of you that are angry about the AP for being upset at the DOJ, I will try to explain one more time, in length, why what the DOJ did could/can/will cripple journalist in the future. That is if the law makers take too long or do nothing at all about a “Press Shield Law”.

The way journalists get stories are by getting leads. Some leads happen over a police scanner or from people writing in about something. Some people come up to a report they have seen on TV and say something to them that perks their ears up.

But in bigger cases it come from an inside source, a “whistleblower”, a “Leak”.

When something this big come in, a journalist investigates, and a reporter looking in too thing should have been enough for the DOJ to know something was not right on their end.

However when a journalist gets one as big as this story, they talk it over, face to face, with their Editor/Producer. They should not/ will not make an easy paper trail. This is hashed out long and hard between them. They keep their Editor/Producer abreast of the investigation. And once the story is ready, as in this case, the Editor/Producer, sometimes the layers, will notify the police detectives, or in this case The Department of Justice, that they are going to print. At this point the DOJ would ask for them not to for a certain amount of time to give them time to tie up loose ends.

Now after it was over and done with, the county, state, or federal agencies would see about getting the records to try and find the leak. It would be expected. But there are protocols that have been down for quite a while for this.

They would let the news agency know they wanted the records, they would draw up a subpoena but it would be taken to a judge and would be argued in front of that judge to make sure that, in this case, the DOJ exhausted all other possibilities. They would argue the size and scope of such a subpoena. Then it would be signed off on and executed.

But this time the DOJ skipped all that and went straight to a grand jury for them to get a wide scope subpoena. With this, they have sent a signal to any and all whistleblowers and would be informants that they go to the Press they will get you through the Press.

This cripples the Press from doing their jobs.. Many people would rather come to a reporter than a cop. This is because of people knowing the stories of journalist going to jail instead of outing a person.

I’m old guard if you will. I would/will go to jail before I give that name. Many are still in that way. Many of us are told in school or from some of the “Old Guard” in the newsroom of the three gates to being a good journalist. One is to not give out info on an informant and going to jail to keep it. Another is to be sued for liable and win ( a gate none want to go through but make sure that if you do, have your ‘I’ s doted and your ‘T’s crossed so you win). The third is being thrown out of a government office for asking questions on something they DON’T want out.

This willingness to put one’s self out there is a big thing. It is why many come to the press. But with this as precedent, many won’t come to the press now. They will be too scared to. And this is what I think was the DOJ’s true motive.
As I said earlier, having a journalist asking questions and investigating should have given a heads up. They should have followed the regulations and protocols, but they did not. They went straight to a Grand Jury. They used a broad brush. They wanted to send a message. The message, however, was not for the Press.

Till the Government passes the “Press Shield Law” many people with information will not come forward. Journalist will have to go to heavier “Cloak and Dagger” type of investigating to get the trust back. In doing so, their Editors/Producers may/will be out of the loop with what the reporter is doing. It will become very dangerous, and journalism is dangerous as it is right now.

Then there is the issue of the public being blinded. With the Press having to build back trust with informants, the public will only see and hear what your Federal, State and local Governments want them to hear and see. If you think the news is biased and one sided now, wait. With the fear of being found out out of the way, there will be some backroom dealing being done that makes what we see now look like peanuts.

But you won’t know about for some time, maybe not at all. As long as the Press is crippled that is.

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wandy

(3,539 posts)
1. Please enplane this process to me again in light of the altered Benghazi Emails.........
Sat May 18, 2013, 03:21 PM
May 2013

Did the journalist talk it over, face to face, with their Editor/Producer? Is it possible that ABC only cared about ratings? Could some other agenda be involved on ABCs part?
And what of all the other lies and foma spring from Clear Channel on a daily bases.

Not that I think the “Press Shield Law” isn't needed. It should have been done a long time ago.

Journalism has never been 'as pure as the driven snow' however of late it has largely devolved into the careless promotion of 'someone's' pet project.

Lady Freedom Returns

(14,120 posts)
3. It is called Sales Department interferance.
Sat May 18, 2013, 03:33 PM
May 2013

The Sales Department is a pain and a half for the Press. Yes, they do their part with the bills, but an all around pain anyway.

For starter, and I do believe it happened in this case, the Sales Depts. of the larger Networks are very close to politician PR boys/girls. Someone got wind of the e-mail through one of this guys and started in on getting the story out.

They scream at the owners about how much they can make with the rating numbers. The Owners push the Editors/ Producers about it. The Producer/Editor is put in the spot of doing their job or having a job. So he pushed the reporter for the story. If the investigation is not full, we have this type of incident.

And it is the Reporter that ends up in the worse of the hot sets.

wandy

(3,539 posts)
4. Yes I agree. Ratings/revinue is the driving factor. This causes the need to...
Sat May 18, 2013, 04:14 PM
May 2013

'Get the story OUT' rather than get the story correct. CNN's Boston embarrassment comes to mind.
Just as it would be better to have the facts straight would it not also be prudent to hold off less the 'news' becomes part of the story. On going murder investigations come to mind. Outing federal agents also comes to mind.
Yes, governments can get far too involved in this but news agencies also must act responsibly.
And this does not even touch on the 'Dark Theater' Fox passes off as news.
You're right about another thing. When ever this sort of 'chafe' happens, the reporter usualy gets the worst of it.

Lady Freedom Returns

(14,120 posts)
6. That is why many Government people will use the Sales Dept.
Sat May 18, 2013, 04:33 PM
May 2013

They are a way to get to the big set itself and then we all know what starts rolling then.

I remember a scandal that can be used as an example.

It was a "small town" one. An owner of a rather large business was found with an under age girl. Now, one of his lawyers were in hopes to run some interference with the story getting out before they finished with whatever it was they were going to do for damage control.

This lawyer went to the Sales Departments of the TV studios and the paper. Well he did not count on our rep that handled the ad account to be such a green horn. He came to the News Director instead of the Corporate.

We had all the T's crossed, thanks to the Detectives that were working the case ( they were in hopes that the broadcast would bring other victims forward) so we opened with it. Did not give the kid a chance to go to Corporate.

Not to be kept out of the ratings, the other Sales Depts. pulled their "request".

We were lucky in this case, but if he did do like his counterparts and go to corporate, that story would not have got out. All because Owners like money and most is made with all around Advertising.

wandy

(3,539 posts)
7. This; if I can be so bold; sounds like an honest muckup...........
Sat May 18, 2013, 04:56 PM
May 2013

This happens in all types of business. Trust me on this one, I was a Quality Assurance Rep. In the process of bringing a product to market the possibility for muckups (stronger word needed here) abound.
To me the case you describe differs from something like Valerie Plame. Here someone did do a bad thing.
Again governments tend to get too involved in reporting but sometimes you can't blame them for getting a bit nervous.

Lady Freedom Returns

(14,120 posts)
12. But I can blame them for intimidation.
Sat May 18, 2013, 05:40 PM
May 2013

And that is what they did. Not the press, but informants.

Without those in the know of wrong coming forward, people can't just see, like with Watergate ( best example ever), if people inside did not come forward, the people would never had known.

That is a reason that the DOJ had (I say "had" since they have tossed it out the window) the protocols they did. Because many a report did bring stuff from an "unknown source" that helped them in the long run.

Their power play has cost us both a lot.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
2. “News is what somebody somewhere wants to suppress; all the rest is advertising.” Lord Northcliffe
Sat May 18, 2013, 03:31 PM
May 2013
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
 

randome

(34,845 posts)
8. And Congress did not make any law pertaining to abridgement of the Press. Did they?
Sat May 18, 2013, 04:58 PM
May 2013

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Lady Freedom Returns

(14,120 posts)
13. This was not the Congresses doing.
Sat May 18, 2013, 05:44 PM
May 2013

It was the DOJ wanting to do a power play to send a message to informants.

And now we need a law to make the DOJ back off or the Press, the DOJ, locale and state law enforcement, and the Public will loose.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
9. So you think it would be okay to start publishing people's divorce settlements, maybe?
Sat May 18, 2013, 04:59 PM
May 2013

After all, it's information and the Press should have no restrictions, right?

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Lady Freedom Returns

(14,120 posts)
10. If it is not sealed by the court, yes.
Sat May 18, 2013, 05:22 PM
May 2013

But when we can't get the info or it is sealed ( it can end up a little messy, Liable thing) then no.

But that is more in the realm of the Tabloids, and they have there own thing and ways. Yes they really are two different things. I know , as of late it is hard to tell (thanks again Sales) but they are.

But there are restrictions, we have, as I just said, liable.

And we do have a code of ethics. And the AP followed it. They notified the DOJ before they published. It was the DOJ that dropped the ball. They jumped all the formality to get the records and went strait for the kill.

They were not out for a "leak", not really, this was a statement to informants.

This has damaged relations between Law enforcement and the press in a way that will take a long time to come. It was never that good anyway. But now...

Oh and add: If you are not what is known as a public figure or public property. It's not news of either type.

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