Why a true democratic culture cannot exist in a profit based society.

[undergroundpanther]

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Spring-boarding off my previous thread

Do we really need a money system...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022920665

Why is it civilizations like the one we are in now, with profit driven abuse the puritan work ethic ,life exploiting ways are hostile to democratic free, stable, non-hierarchical sharing mutually cooperative,democratic communities?

It is simple,a culture like what we live in now cannot stand to have a free society that desires not to constantly grow, that's democratic,non hierarchical,non-exploitative,non- competitive within it.Because a life spent producing more past the point of need for profit's sake is not true freedom.

We do not need to work 8 hour days.But we are taught we have to and the money token system is rigged so you never really feel secure enough to rest or defy the bosses above and take your time back. Workers for too long forgot solidarity so workers are individuals with even less power so they have been taught,so keeping your head down and nose to the grindstone going from work to store to home and getting up at 5 am to do it all over again has become normal 'life'. Why do we work to pay to exist?

A tribal person would call you crazy. Ever notice wages keep up with costs even though tons of food is wasted tons of unsellable but usable and new things are destroyed because they could not be sold at a profit. Yet the lower working and middle classes are kept one paycheck from financial ruin,one accident,illness or bad move can wipe you out financially?Why is that?

http://www.globalresearch.ca/american-dream-food-loaded-into-dumpsters-while-hundreds-of-hungry-americans-restrained-by-police/5329966
http://www.pslweb.org/liberationnews/news/food-and-capitalism-a-crisis.html


Because the upper classes want you insecure and wanting to buy to exploit your labor and use up the days of your life so they can have everything and live in freedom from everything that would restrain them including the need to cooperate with others or care about others well being,for they are very manipulative psychopaths.. in a cooperative, educated,emotionally mature, democratic mutually sustainable culture that has outgrown beliefs like money they would not survive.They would be treated as a threat to the community,and thus would be exiled from it.


The people on the profit making work based hierarchical side fighting to survive,playing games,exploiting everything, toiling for profits enough to survive will abandon the sick culture for what they yearn all their lives for but can't quite see yet for it is in their secret hearts,suppressed out of awareness,for to taste it,see it right next to this exploitation culture and the money system the real freedom vs what they have lost to empire would be too much for the empire run people to bear emotionally,because they'd have to face how much chasing dollars has taken from them..they'd abandon this culture and the takers who made it all up who never give or share.That all your life you build the pyramids for those who profit off you..

http://dictionary.reverso.net/english-cobuild/exploitation%20of%20labor
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/09/suntrust-evicts-supermarket_n_3045954.html
The same as ...In the 1730s, a committee of the Boston town meeting spoke out for Bostonians in debt, who wanted paper money issued to make it easier to pay off their debts to the merchant elite. They did not want, they declared, to "have our Bread and Water measured out to Us by those who Riot in Luxury & Wantonness on Our Sweat & Toil. ..."
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... What if these different despised groups-the Indians, the slaves, the poor whites-should combine? Even before there were so many blacks, in the seventeenth century, there was, as Abbot Smith puts it, "a lively fear that servants would join with Negroes or Indians to overcome the small number of masters."
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Why was This?

When profit driven culture like the one we live in now ...
were compared to:
A secure place to exist,and a DEMOCRATIC loving community to support and be supported by, a society not built on profit making,exploiting ,labor use,public relations(manipulations)hierarchy that is without the excuses for bullies and abuse,competition to exist.
A society like that right above would make this current society we have now come up empty.

Why did white soldiers with all the technology and stuff of the day,defect to Indian tribes? And Indians didn't run to whites and all their advanced technology and such?
... One fact disturbed: whites would run off to join Indian tribes, or would be captured in battle and brought up among the Indians, and when this happened the whites, given a chance to leave, chose to stay in the Indian culture, Indians, having the choice, almost never decided to join the whites.

http://www.historyisaweapon.com/defcon1/zinnvil3.html
http://www.cracked.com/article_19864_6-ridiculous-lies-you-believe-about-founding-america_p2.html

This kind of society isn't a fantasy it is simply forgotten.It has been abused out of us. And it is not allowed to exist and flourish in this kind of culture we live in now lest people abandon the takers and the takers are left with no way to control dominate and harness the people and overwork them for selfish luxuries of the 1% anymore thus rendering them simply as ill tempered selfish people

A society without money is a knee jerk, called a fantasy to those in the profit system's mindset because they are still in love with money,the exploited basically love their chains and stuff planned to become obsolete ,shopping,still they play the power games,hoping to 'win big'..they can't let themselves imagine a life without these twisted mentalities .


BUT..If a place of true democracy,a culture mutual cooperation,mutual well being and security a society that was sustainable, didn't exploit your labors,that had no use for profits, that cared about your well being and you cared about the well being of people sharing in your culture, and where you had time to live your own life was to exist and flourish alongside this culture of slavery,abuse and the profit system forcing us to compete beyond our natural ethical limits...
This culture we have now, would lose.

Our current culture is built upon abuse,the puritan work ethic of exploitation replete with reward and punishment for not obeying the demands of those 'above' you and you seeking to be just like those above you.You buy the lies they sell,and live accordingly to those lies,your consumer confidence swells the top 1% with wealth extorted.
I think once people get the courage to look past beliefs instilled in them from cradle to grave(career day in 3rd grade ugh.) and the fear of disobeying the 'empire' anyone would abandon the empire mindset we live in currently that colonizes you to the point there is no you left when you are too old to be used.

Who would want to slave for a master who exploits them down to their very soul and gives nothing back,but enough to "motivate" someone do something he hates for the rest of their days until they are used up,injured or too old to do the job??Keeping prices and wages just so,that people cannot afford to say NO.

That is empire's dirty secret.It cannot have anyone living free in a mutually secure,sharing sustainable community within it,for it exposes to us all what a fucking abusive lie this entire money belief is and those who have it all are seen for what they are selfish greedy parasites that will do anything for power.Who wants to serve that which takes and never shares and never cares? Empire would die out so fast it would be over practically over night and the opulent parasites on top would have no power without people to abuse and dominate,the 1% would realize how powerless they really are. Power over would be reduced an empty sound as is always has been. This is why our country has wiped the tribes originally here out,to make us forget what our true way of life was like before we got "over-productive" and learned to love our chains and to pursue the god of the empire,money.

So they killed off tribal people and still try even harder to kill tribal culture.

Our natural cooperation has been exploited and twisted
http://www.preservearticles.com/201102224113/what-is-the-importance-of-cooperation-in-the-processes-of-social-interaction.html

Our natural democratic ways stolen
http://www.globalanimal.org/2012/11/01/fish-agree-majority-rules/84494/

Our natural inheritance stolen
http://www.ranprieur.com/readings/jensenbox.html

Our very lives stolen
http://www.historyisaweapon.com/defcon1/zinnvil3.html
"We can still walk away from the pyramid."
Daniel Quinn


We DON'T have to abuse each other to live.