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liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 10:32 PM Jun 2013

Our state knows it's students will not pass it's new Common Core Standards Test.

I just got an email stating that there will be a wesite available over the summer where students can take practice tests for the new Common Core Standards tests that will be replacing the existing state standardized tests that we currently have. Passing these new Common Core tests will be required started with the 2014-2015 school year. If there is a website available during the summer for students to practice what does that tell us about their confidence in our students ability to pass them?

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Our state knows it's students will not pass it's new Common Core Standards Test. (Original Post) liberal_at_heart Jun 2013 OP
Which state is this? Sekhmets Daughter Jun 2013 #1
sorry I had to step away from the computer. We're in WA. liberal_at_heart Jun 2013 #7
Sad. What are they thinking? Or are they thinking? Sekhmets Daughter Jun 2013 #15
It's OK. Current CA HS exit exam requires 55% passage of 7th grade standards questions. NYC_SKP Jun 2013 #2
I helped write Common Core standards.. chillfactor Jun 2013 #3
Problems are standards not in effect long enough elleng Jun 2013 #4
problem is they're pushing too much too fast, they string funding directly to test scores, they liberal_at_heart Jun 2013 #10
Did you feel in any outrage that your son's earlier education had failed him? karynnj Jun 2013 #16
he's autistic. He actually made phenominal leaps pre-k - 5th grade. liberal_at_heart Jun 2013 #17
That is pretty amazing karynnj Jun 2013 #26
Someone in your district should sue on behalf of the special ed students. pnwmom Jun 2013 #21
I'm trying to find something wrong with this? newmember Jun 2013 #5
Sounds like a mashup of marketing, corporate and academic speak to me Fumesucker Jun 2013 #11
If the grammar section includes a question about its/it's you're already down two points. NoPasaran Jun 2013 #6
why do you find it necessary to be nasty? You are going on ignore. liberal_at_heart Jun 2013 #8
To be fair, making that mistake twice in your title is kind of bad. Gravitycollapse Jun 2013 #18
First they ignore you . . . NoPasaran Jun 2013 #25
That seems an extreme response to someone who pointed MineralMan Jun 2013 #27
Putting people on ignore for pointing out an error? Generic Other Jun 2013 #29
... Pragdem Jun 2013 #9
Its about time someone pointed that out. n/t cherokeeprogressive Jun 2013 #14
common core is *designed* to fail more students. HiPointDem Jun 2013 #12
From just that information, there is no reason to assume that karynnj Jun 2013 #13
+1 pnwmom Jun 2013 #20
Or maybe it just tells us that our state's administrators decided pnwmom Jun 2013 #19
The tests are not that difficult to pass for the half of iemitsu Jun 2013 #22
Thank you. I completely agree. liberal_at_heart Jun 2013 #23
+1000 Generic Other Jun 2013 #30
They dropped the standards in Idaho so they could drop the amount of money spent on schools. Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #24
Taking practice tests over the summer? That will end well. hobbit709 Jun 2013 #28
 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
2. It's OK. Current CA HS exit exam requires 55% passage of 7th grade standards questions.
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 10:35 PM
Jun 2013

Has been this way for some time, what does THAT tell you about confidence and the institution?

elleng

(130,905 posts)
4. Problems are standards not in effect long enough
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 10:40 PM
Jun 2013

to be absorbed by ADMINISTRATIONS and FACULTIES, AFTER which they could be taught WITHOUT continuous mock 'testing,' but with interesting methods to which students would eagerly adapt, and accept.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
10. problem is they're pushing too much too fast, they string funding directly to test scores, they
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 11:16 PM
Jun 2013

spend a week of school practicing directly for the test missing out on opportunities to teach new curricula. Not to mention certain school districts such as mine who in trying to get their students caught up academically make students jump grades. My son started 6th grade math at a 3rd/4th grade math comprehension level. The school district passed a rule stating that all students even special education students had to take 6th grade math. They made my son skip 1 1/2 to 2 years worth of math. He came home crying almost every day that year and begging to skip class. If they want to accelerate the curricula they need to do it more gradual and they shouldn't deny funding to schools that don't score high enough. If anything schools that don't score well should be given more resources to help their students do better. That is after all the original purpose of standardized testing. To identify students that need help and get them that help. I no longer believe that is the purpose of standardized testing. Another problem is this has become the only way of measuring a student's success. When there should be other things measured as well. Things like work portfolios, GPAs, and things that aren't even currently measured like a student's determination, persistence, creativity, and resourcefullness.

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
16. Did you feel in any outrage that your son's earlier education had failed him?
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 11:45 PM
Jun 2013

Why was he so behind? I agree that given where he was he needed a LOT of remedial math. There is NO way to really get 6th grade math if he does not have the 4th and 5th grade skills. Now that summer is approaching, are you getting him help? (This is a case where testing SHOULD have led to more help.)

I can't imagine how you feel when you child is so miserable about school. It is idiotic to cut money to the schools that need the resources the most.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
17. he's autistic. He actually made phenominal leaps pre-k - 5th grade.
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 11:46 PM
Jun 2013

But he is still about 1 1/2 to 2 years behind his peer group.

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
26. That is pretty amazing
Mon Jun 3, 2013, 08:15 AM
Jun 2013

I understand the purpose of standards, but it would seem that they are not helping him by trying to push him at a speed he can not achieve.

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
21. Someone in your district should sue on behalf of the special ed students.
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 11:56 PM
Jun 2013

It's hard to imagine how forcing them to skip more than a year of math and insisting they all be taught at grade level meets their state-required educational needs.

What district are you in?

 

newmember

(805 posts)
5. I'm trying to find something wrong with this?
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 10:46 PM
Jun 2013

Mathematics » Home » Mathematics

Toward greater focus and coherence

Mathematics experiences in early childhood settings should concentrate on (1) number (which includes whole number, operations, and relations) and (2) geometry, spatial relations, and measurement, with more mathematics learning time devoted to number than to other topics. Mathematical process goals should be integrated in these content areas.

—Mathematics Learning in Early Childhood, National Research Council, 2009

The composite standards [of Hong Kong, Korea and Singapore] have a number of features that can inform an international benchmarking process for the development of K–6 mathematics standards in the U.S. First, the composite standards concentrate the early learning of mathematics on the number, measurement, and geometry strands with less emphasis on data analysis and little exposure to algebra. The Hong Kong standards for grades 1–3 devote approximately half the targeted time to numbers and almost all the time remaining to geometry and measurement.

— Ginsburg, Leinwand and Decker, 2009

Because the mathematics concepts in [U.S.] textbooks are often weak, the presentation becomes more mechanical than is ideal. We looked at both traditional and non-traditional textbooks used in the US and found this conceptual weakness in both.

— Ginsburg et al., 2005

There are many ways to organize curricula. The challenge, now rarely met, is to avoid those that distort mathematics and turn off students.

— Steen, 2007

For over a decade, research studies of mathematics education in high-performing countries have pointed to the conclusion that the mathematics curriculum in the United States must become substantially more focused and coherent in order to improve mathematics achievement in this country. To deliver on the promise of common standards, the standards must address the problem of a curriculum that is “a mile wide and an inch deep.” These Standards are a substantial answer to that challenge.

It is important to recognize that “fewer standards” are no substitute for focused standards. Achieving “fewer standards” would be easy to do by resorting to broad, general statements. Instead, these Standards aim for clarity and specificity.

Assessing the coherence of a set of standards is more difficult than assessing their focus. William Schmidt and Richard Houang (2002) have said that content standards and curricula are coherent if they are:

articulated over time as a sequence of topics and performances that are logical and reflect, where appropriate, the sequential or hierarchical nature of the disciplinary content from which the subject matter derives. That is, what and how students are taught should reflect not only the topics that fall within a certain academic discipline, but also the key ideas that determine how knowledge is organized and generated within that discipline. This implies that “to be coherent,” a set of content standards must evolve from particulars (e.g., the meaning and operations of whole numbers, including simple math facts and routine computational procedures associated with whole numbers and fractions) to deeper structures inherent in the discipline. These deeper structures then serve as a means for connecting the particulars (such as an understanding of the rational number system and its properties). (emphasis added)

These Standards endeavor to follow such a design, not only by stressing conceptual understanding of key ideas, but also by continually returning to organizing principles such as place value or the laws of arithmetic to structure those ideas.

In addition, the “sequence of topics and performances” that is outlined in a body of mathematics standards must also respect what is known about how students learn. As Confrey (2007) points out, developing “sequenced obstacles and challenges for students…absent the insights about meaning that derive from careful study of learning, would be unfortunate and unwise.” In recognition of this, the development of these Standards began with research-based learning progressions detailing what is known today about how students’ mathematical knowledge, skill, and understanding develop over time.

Understanding mathematics

These Standards define what students should understand and be able to do in their study of mathematics. Asking a student to understand something means asking a teacher to assess whether the student has understood it. But what does mathematical understanding look like? One hallmark of mathematical understanding is the ability to justify, in a way appropriate to the student’s mathematical maturity, why a particular mathematical statement is true or where a mathematical rule comes from. There is a world of difference between a student who can summon a mnemonic device to expand a product such as (a + b)(x + y) and a student who can explain where the mnemonic comes from. The student who can explain the rule understands the mathematics, and may have a better chance to succeed at a less familiar task such as expanding (a + b + c)(x + y). Mathematical understanding and procedural skill are equally important, and both are assessable using mathematical tasks of sufficient richness.

The Standards set grade-specific standards but do not define the intervention methods or materials necessary to support students who are well below or well above grade-level expectations. It is also beyond the scope of the Standards to define the full range of supports appropriate for English language learners and for students with special needs. At the same time, all students must have the opportunity to learn and meet the same high standards if they are to access the knowledge and skills necessary in their post-school lives. The Standards should be read as allowing for the widest possible range of students to participate fully from the outset, along with appropriate accommodations to ensure maximum participaton of students with special education needs. For example, for students with disabilities reading should allow for use of Braille, screen reader technology, or other assistive devices, while writing should include the use of a scribe, computer, or speech-to-text technology. In a similar vein, speaking and listening should be interpreted broadly to include sign language. No set of grade-specific standards can fully reflect the great variety in abilities, needs, learning rates, and achievement levels of students in any given classroom. However, the Standards do provide clear signposts along the way to the goal of college and career readiness for all students

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
11. Sounds like a mashup of marketing, corporate and academic speak to me
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 11:24 PM
Jun 2013

Lots of verbiage with a fairly low signal to noise ratio, actual semantic content approaching nil.

MineralMan

(146,308 posts)
27. That seems an extreme response to someone who pointed
Mon Jun 3, 2013, 09:53 AM
Jun 2013

out errors in your title. Perhaps the correction message was not done graciously, but the errors are real, common, and have not been edited. You can ignore the poster, but that will not correct the title.

Saying whatever you have to say is your privilege on DU, but saying it using good form will make your point better. Neatness and punctuation do count.

"It's" means "It is."
"Its" is the possessive form of "It."
That never varies.

Pronouns like your, her, his, my, their, and its use different rules for forming the possessive. Rather than appending an s preceded by an apostrophe, they use a different form of the pronoun.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
29. Putting people on ignore for pointing out an error?
Mon Jun 3, 2013, 10:08 AM
Jun 2013

Why not just edit the errors? You are making our state look like we only give out attendance diplomas.

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
13. From just that information, there is no reason to assume that
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 11:29 PM
Jun 2013

Alternatively, it could be that as they are making a major change that could worry some parents and kids, they put practice tests up to allow kids to test whether they are ok - and if not identify problem areas that they need to work on before the real test.

I actually LIKE that this is happening this much in advance. It seems fairer than springing the test on them a weeks before they take it - and have it impact their education.

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
19. Or maybe it just tells us that our state's administrators decided
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 11:50 PM
Jun 2013

it would be the fair thing to do, so students and teachers wouldn't be blindsided with unfamiliar tests.

Many students do better on tests whose format they're familiar with already. Making this possible helps to even the odds for these students so they don't freeze up at test time.

iemitsu

(3,888 posts)
22. The tests are not that difficult to pass for the half of
Mon Jun 3, 2013, 01:16 AM
Jun 2013

students, who would have average or above average scores on an IQ test and for some of the students who would score a bit below the average on an IQ test, but all students in public schools are required to take the tests.
Many of the students, who would score high on an IQ test attend private or public charter schools. Private schools don't have to take standardized tests and charters have hand picked student rosters.
Public schools are filled with the most difficult students and have higher poverty rates (statistically the highest indicator of school failure) than private or charter schools, and because private schools don't test and charters are not representative of the larger school demographics they therefore can't be compared to the public school's scores.
All we know is that the public schools are failing.
The tests are designed to discredit the public schools and aid in the transfer of this public institution to private hands.
Teachers and students are being made to seem like failures so that they can be treated as creatures without value. teachers are bad so unions must go. Students are failing so we must hire cheap labor from abroad.
Since the plan is to give us nothing, then we have to be made to feel as if we deserve nothing.
The corporate designers of this ludicrous school reform movement may think that applying the Enron Philosophy of business to public schools will allow a few quality students to percolate to the top of the public school brine and be allowed to take their proper place in society, and that that would be a good thing, but society needs more than a few winners. Every child must be allowed to discover what interests them, to develop their skills and knowledge, to use their strengths and to work on their weaknesses if we want to graduate thinking, functioning, informed adults.
Measuring a narrow range of academic skills and proclaiming all who don't test well in that range to be failures is cruel and will come back to haunt our communities.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
24. They dropped the standards in Idaho so they could drop the amount of money spent on schools.
Mon Jun 3, 2013, 03:31 AM
Jun 2013

Idaho is now famous for more than just potatoes!

Idaho spends less per child on school than any other state . . except for Utah.
Utah spends less per child on school than anyone else in the country.
But, hey, we're number 2!

People living here are so dumb they like chanting, "We're Number 2, we're Number 2, we're Number 2!" and be so damned proud about it.

Charter schools have really expanded here over the last 8 years because the Republicans wanted to cut the overall state budget.
Education costs were the biggest part of the state budget.
So, they created "charter schools", where parents could send their children and recieve a "tax voucher" from the state for the added expense of sending their children to a semi-private/semi-public school.

After the first few years of having charter schools, the majority of students from the first graduating classes could not pass college entrance exams to attend out-of-state colleges. Their failure rate was twice what it had been a decade ago.

Bush famously asked once, "Is our children learning?"

No, they aren't.
Not here in Idaho.

We're Number 2!
We're Number 2!
We're Number 2!

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
28. Taking practice tests over the summer? That will end well.
Mon Jun 3, 2013, 09:59 AM
Jun 2013

The problem with all that testing is that the kids never learn anything except how to take a test. If the material was actually taught, there'd be no problem passing the test.
That's how it worked when I went to school, if you failed, you got to do the grade over instead of being passed.

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