Repuke Sen. Chambliss blames "nature" for military women being raped!

[cynatnite]

The Georgia Republican recalled that “several years ago when we had the first females go out on an aircraft carrier, when they returned to port, a significant percentage of those females were pregnant.”

“Was any investigation made by the Navy following that incident to determine whether or not all of those pregnancies occurred as a result of consensual acts?” he asked Chief of Naval Operations Admiral Jonathan Greenert.

The admiral replied that he did not have details of the incident immediately available, but he pledged to follow up.

Chambliss noted that Democratic proposals to modify the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) and take sexual assault reporting outside of the victim’s chain of command might not work because young servicemen were being driven by their “nature.”

“The young folks coming in to each of your services are anywhere from 17 to 22 or 23,” he pointed out. “Gee-whiz, the hormone level created by nature sets in place the possibility for these types of things to occur. So, we’ve got to be very careful on our side.”

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/04/chambliss-blames-military-rapes-on-the-hormone-level-created-by-nature/

Fucking POS!

[ChairmanAgnostic]

1. Does he have daughters or grand-daughters?

Just wondering.

[Mnemosyne]

41. 2 kids and 6 grandchildren, has to be a female in there somewhere. Despicable creature. nt

[ChairmanAgnostic]

44. given that's he sits (or shits) in the senate, you would suspect

that viewing his loved ones, he would have the slightest bit of . . . . something.

Do they practice being this vile, or does it come naturally? Or do they do it for show?

[Mnemosyne]

48. I seriously believe it comes naturally, they do it with such ease. My ex-family is just like this

asshole, and I mean ex-family, not my ex's family. No compassion or empathy for anyone, other than their 'circle'. You should have heard them after Katrina... It's why they are ex.

[WinkyDink]

63. Does it matter? Besides, he had a mother.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

65. Let's ignore his Oedipal issues for now.

[hlthe2b]

2. Any rational man should be incensed by this jackass' suggestion that men can not control themselves

from such violent ugly willful acts.

[Orrex]

3. Clearly the women are the problem

For being, you know, women.


What else could possibly explain it?

[TommyCelt]

46. Damned succubi

...with their evil feminine wiles!

[onehandle]

4. Worthless draft dodger says something. nt

[olddots]

5. I blame nature for creating this walking tape worm

n.t.

[EC]

6. This is exactly the attitude that allows this shit to continue.

Rape is not sex...it is violence and sadism.

Maybe someone should clue him in that if these guys were just doing what came naturally, wouldn't they be doing it with consent? Or is rape the natural way of doing these things in this guys head? Man...I hate men like this...

[sufrommich]

7. Well using that logic,17 year old men should

be free to rape until they reach their 23rd birthday,after all, they can't help it.

[liberal_at_heart]

8. driven by their nature to rape?

I'm dumbfounded. I don't know how people can think like this.

[orpupilofnature57]

9. It's his nature to be a misogynist .

[uppityperson]

10. By his logic, men are the weaker sex and need to be controlled. How about the give every man in

the military a shot so they don't have to deal with those uncontrollable issues like being violent?

[hedgehog]

11. By the numbers, more men are raped than women - I wonder if Chambliss blames that on nature!

[lpbk2713]

12. Most meaningful jobs require a battery of mental and psychological exams.

Alas, it's obvious anyone can be a Senator.

[sinkingfeeling]

13. So any male from 17 to 23 has a license to rape or is that only in Georgia?

[Laurian]

16. Oh boy, the whole Georgia delegation is bat shit crazy.

Absolutely no understanding of science or nature. That's amazing considering Phil Gingrey, Paul Broun and Tom Price are medical doctors. Are they really that stupid or just appealing to their ignorant base?

Sadly, I live in Georgia.

[sinkingfeeling]

17. Sorry.

[AlbertCat]

25. Phil Gingrey, Paul Broun and Tom Price are medical doctors.

If they were any good at being a doctor, they'd be one and not in government.

[Laurian]

31. That may be true, but I would expect their education/training to be doctors

would require some measure of critical thinking and a thorough knowledge of basic scientific principles.

Chambliss? He's not a doctor, just a fool.

[AlbertCat]

35. My father was a surgeon....and a good one too.... like THE surgeon in town (not a small town either)

And he would tell me things like "Blacks make better athletes and run faster because in Africa they had lions and tigers snapping at their ass". So the prefix "Dr," doesn't mean you're good at thinking things thru.

[Flatulo]

42. LOL, my old man used to say the same thing. He really wasn't a rascist, just ignorant.

When my sister brought home an AA boyfriend, he really liked the guy and totally approved of the relationship, and this was in the sixties.

[lark]

111. Sorry about that!

I live about 40 miles south of the border in No. Redneck FL. Mean rednecks abound here as well, though they don't seem as numerous as they were when I was a kid.

[Jennicut]

14. More men were raped then women in the military.

I wonder how he explains that one. It's a culture of fear. The victims are of both sexes. Has little to do with hormones and all to do with authority and being afraid to change anything.

[Flatulo]

43. That's a huge surprise to me. I assume it's mostly female officers hitting on enlisted men?

Or is it men raping other men?

[Mnemosyne]

50. My friend was raped in the military, repeatedly, by men. He never talked about it until this year

and it happened in the 1980's.

[Flatulo]

51. Jesus. That's just dreadful.

[Mnemosyne]

67. I'm afraid it may have been done because he is gay. He is haunted and it breaks my heart. nt

[Flatulo]

81. I've never understood how men can sexually assault another man for being gay. What does that make

the assailants?

[Mnemosyne]

83. Another dear friend, also a gay male, was once told by another guy that, "i'm not gay! I didn't kiss

him!"

There is so much twisted reasoning in there, such total disconnect. If they don't get it, there is really no where to start to explain to them.

[Flatulo]

93. Yeah, that's a complete non-sequitur.

[Jennicut]

57. It's predominantly male on male. It's about power/control/authority.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/16/18301723-male-rape-survivors-tackle-military-assault-in-tough-guy-culture?lite

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2011/04/03/the-military-s-secret-shame.htmll#

There are some female on male. But there are simply more men then women in the military in positions of power.

[Flatulo]

61. And I assume if one reports the assault, it's a career ending move. Not a team player and such. nt

[clarice]

15. I wonder how he would fare in a maximum security prison? It's just "nature" after all. nt

[ismnotwasm]

18. Arghh!

Men are not by nature rapists. God that's such bullshit.

Rapists are rapists.


What a total asshole.

[riqster]

19. Damn, I never raped anyone at that (or any other) age

Golly Gee Whiz, I better go to the doctor and get my hormone levels checked.

[derby378]

20. Uh, Chambliss? It's called "masturbation"

If your urges become overwhelming, you find some quiet time, you unzip your pants, and do whatever it is you do best when nobody else is watching. Boom. Urge has been dealt with. I should be paid to be a military consultant for the favor I just did you, jackass.

[reflection]

47. Insert "seamen on the deck" joke here. n/t

[Vietnameravet]

21. More of the Republican "outreach program"

[AlbertCat]

22. I thought we has a society...

.... and an intellect to check the uglier sides of nature.

Well, SOME of us do....


And I thought the military was all about discipline.

I guess drunken circle jerks just won't do anymore.....

[Zoeisright]

23. Sometimes I wish the south would secede.

I mean, what kind of brain-dead, drooling idiots elect asshole pricks like Chambliss? Over a war hero! Christ on a crutch, that is the kind of stupid that only happens in America.

[AlbertCat]

27. what kind of brain-dead, drooling idiots elect asshole pricks like Chambliss?

AZ voters?
KS voters?
UT voters?
MI voters?
ND voters?
SD voters?
AK voters?
etc.

Can we nix the South bashing? The South is not the problem any more....

[Laelth]

113. That 2002 election was stolen.

Max Cleland should have won.

That said, I remain embarrassed by my state's Senior Senator. It will take a few cycles for Georgia to go blue, but the time is coming.

-Laelth

[City Lights]

24. Wow, just when I think I've heard it all...

[napkinz]

26. if Keith still had a show ...

Saxby Chambliss ... worst person in the world!!!!

[blkmusclmachine]

28. Blame the victim!

Standard GOP.

[Flatulo]

29. I don't understand the outrage at these comments.

Surely some young men do try to get laid as often as possible. Using force to accomplish this is unacceptable under any circumstances, but surely some women also have a sex drive? If you put men and women together for extended periods, consensual sex will happen. So will non-consensual. Seems to me like it might be useful to know how much of each type is happening so that the correct actions can be taken.

Chambliss is an idiot for countless other reasons but these comments don't seem ridiculous to me.

[AlbertCat]

36. but these comments don't seem ridiculous to me.

Uh huh....

You just keep telling yourself ol' Saxby put that much thought into it.

[Flatulo]

49. Young males have a far, far stronger sex drive men in, say, their 50s. If you don't know this, then

I'd guess you're not a male in your 50s.

On the increasingly rare occasions when my wife and I are both in the mood at the same time, it takes me a month to, um, recharge my batteries. When I was in my late teens and early twenties, I could go three or four times per day.

[Rex]

59. So this is all subjective information from you first hand and has

nothing to do with the OP, as we thought.

FWIW, I know many 40 and 50 year old men that have very active libidos...maybe you should try and realize you are not the center of the universe and work you way out from there.

[Flatulo]

60. Thanks for taking the time and effort to insult me. You're so very clever.

You remind me of what an utterly hateful place this can be at times.

Putting you on ignore, Skippy.

[AlbertCat]

62. I'd guess you're not a male in your 50s.

Ahhhh but I am! And I'm getting and interested in sex much more than when I was in school....when I was more interested in trying to be an artist.

Indeed, I just had a clothing optional vacation on Memorial Day.


Sorry you've lost it, Bub. Low T?

[Flatulo]

70. I'm on a lot of pain medication for a bum back. It sent my libido packing.

My wife had a complete hysterectomy 15 years ago, so she's also lost interest.

We just cuddle a lot now.

[AlbertCat]

79. I'm on a lot of pain medication for a bum back.

Well, that's not fair!

I will admit... sex is overrated.

In many ways you are more fortunate than I. No one cuddles me.

[Flatulo]

80. Oh, sex is good, but there are other aspects of a relationship that are also very satisfying.

My wife and I actually still like each other after 30 years together. We still constantly give each other silly little gifts like muffins or foot rubs. It's a good life.

Except for the god damned motherfucking constant pain. Otherwise I'm a pretty happy guy.

[cynatnite]

85. So, you males with far far stronger sex drives mean....

they'll rape women?

The ignorance is mind boggling.

[Flatulo]

88. You're really twisting yourself into a pretzel to misinterpret what I said.

You are right in at least one count - the ignorance is mind-boggling.

[cynatnite]

90. Why did you say it, then?

This is a thread about rape...not about the male sex drive.

Please enlighten me.

[Flatulo]

92. Once again, Chambliss was asking the admiral how many of these pregnancies were the result

of consensual sex and how many were the result of rape.

The admiral responded that he didn't have the answer, but he would follow up.

The admiral's response indicates that he interprets Chambilss' comments the same way I did.

[cynatnite]

95. Which is nowhere in the comments I was responding to...

If you don't want people to get the wrong impression, you need to be clearer. If you look at all the negative responses you got, maybe you can see that your remarks were not clear nor did they indicate this position.

Plus, Chambliss' comments were way off base. He is NOT blaming the perpetrators. He's blaming "nature". It's disgusting.

[zipplewrath]

52. How is that relevant?

He was talking about taking the responsibility for prosecuting sexual ASSUALT out of the chain of command (since they have demonstrably handled it so badly for DECADES). So what does the question of the ratio, have to do with anything? Sexual ASSUALTS are out of control and the chain of command has failed to control it in any effective or meaningful way. What does that have to do with 17 year olds, having a sex drive?

[Flatulo]

54. Ah, I've misunderstood. I thought the derision was at his suggestion that young males have

a very strong sex drive, (which they generally do), not the question of who handles the assaults.

Apologies.

[zipplewrath]

68. No big deal

I always say, those that have and those that will, when discussing a misunderstanding in an online discussion.

[BainsBane]

64. No rape thread can pass by

without someone talking about sex, as though we were talking about two consenting adults.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

74. yup

[Whisp]

73. w.t.f. ???

! We sure do have our share of rape apologists and self confessed rapists themselves here on DU.

Chambliss is an idiot for countless other reasons but these comments don't seem ridiculous to me.

you sicken me!

[Flatulo]

82. If you can contain your disgust and nausea for a moment, perhaps you can identify where in my

post I either excused rape, or confessed to it...? Or perhaps you just don't read very well.

Surely some young men do try to get laid as often as possible. Using force to accomplish this is unacceptable under any circumstances, but surely some women also have a sex drive? If you put men and women together for extended periods, consensual sex will happen. So will non-consensual. Seems to me like it might be useful to know how much of each type is happening so that the correct actions can be taken.

Your reaction is completely inappropriate, vile and insulting to me. Your accusations are outrageous and uncalled for.

[Whisp]

86. ''Chambliss is an idiot for countless other reasons but these comments don't seem ridiculous to me.

Did you say this or not? Yes, you did. And I also see another post by you talking about sex drive?

rape has nothing to do with 'sex' or drive. It's a violent crime.

=Still disgusted and nauseated.

[Flatulo]

87. I was referring to Chambliss' comments to the effect that young males have a very strong

sex drive. This is generally true. This statement in no way condones or excuses rape.

It seems to me that Chambliss is simply asking 'how much of this sex is consensual?' which seems to me to be a perfectly reasonable question to ask. I see no reason to assume, that it is all rape, all the time.

It may be, or it may not be, but I don't think we can just assume that it is. If there is consensual sex happening, it may still be completely inappropriate for service members on duty (conduct unbecoming?) but the action taken would not be the same as it would be for rape.

Rape would (and should) get your ass thrown in the brig, but conduct unbecoming would merit some lesser disciplinary action.

[Whisp]

89. I don't like your tone.

nor the subliminal shit you are stirring. That's about as much as I can say.

[Flatulo]

97. My tone? You fucking accuse me of condoning RAPE and then have the nerve to complain about

MY tone?

How dare you. I think rapists should be shot dead on the spot.

I don't know or care what else you think I'm implying, but I am on the fucking record.

Good night.

[Iris]

78. I don't either & being outraged only shuts down the conversation which should also extend to college

campuses. We are talking about a large population of 18-22 year-olds thrown together, just like on a college campus. And guess what? Both institutions - the military and higher ed - do a poor, poor job of creating an environment where rape - be it stranger or acquaintance rape - is unacceptable.

[cynatnite]

84. Oh, Geez!

Rape is NOT about sex.

Rape is a violent act that is about power and control over the victim.

Chambliss is not blaming the perpetrator of these crimes. He's basically saying boys will be boys.

BTW, just because men and women are together doesn't automatically equal rape.

[Flatulo]

91. No shit to points 1, 2 and 4, but I'm reading point 3 as Chambliss asking if all these

pregnancies were the result of rape, or consensual sex.

The admiral acknowledged that he didn't have the answer to that question. His response indicates that he interpreted the question as I did.

[cynatnite]

94. Your comments give a different impression....

You began your comment that men are looking to get laid. That is NOT what these perpetrators are looking for when they rape a woman.

[Flatulo]

98. OK, I see why you got the impression you did. I apologize for that.

I start many responses with a hard-hitting opener to get people's attention. This was not a good response.

I was trying to make the point that there is a strong correlation between youth and sex drive, and this strong drive would account for quite a bit of consensual sex when the genders mingle. No sex drive, no sex.

[stevenleser]

96. Are you serious?

[life long demo]

30. So does this idiot feel that women in the service wear

a burka so as not to temp the men who can't control themselves? And yes I know rape is about power, but this just infuriates me.

[adieu]

32. Is a soldier can be trained to do something against human nature,

like taking a knife and stabbing someone in the chest with it, I'm sure those soldiers can be trained to refrain from making any sort of sexual advances on their comrades.

[Initech]

33. Keep talking assholes. You'll get voted out of office soon enough.

[ZRT2209]

34. wtf is that supposed to mean?

[SamKnause]

37. Rape

Real men don't rape women.

Drunks, druggies, bullies, control freaks, and people on power trips rape people.

Real men don't rape women, they protect them.

Republican 'men' still think of women as chattel.

[madville]

53. Ever been in the military?

"Drunks, druggies, bullies, control freaks, and people on power trips rape people"


These types have a significant representation there.

[SamKnause]

69. Rape 2

Indeed they do.

The military has ignored it for years.

[BainsBane]

66. I agree except for one point

Rape is not limited to Republicans, nor is rape apologia.

[SamKnause]

71. Rape 3

No where in my post does it state that only Republicans rape.

I made a comment and observation about the mindset of Republicans. They think of women as chattel.

No where did I apologize for rape.

[BainsBane]

75. I didn't suggest you were apologizing for rape

at all. I was agreeing with the majority of your post. That's why the heading said "I agree except for one point."

[SamKnause]

77. Rape 4

Sorry for the confusion on my part.

Have an excellent evening.

[catbyte]

38. Chickenhawk Chambliss? Didn't he slander Max Cleland so shamefully?

He has no respect for vets, why should he have any respect for women? POS is right,cynatnite.

[backscatter712]

108. That's right.

But Georgia's full of extra-chromosome conservatives - that's why Chambliss is senator.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

39. Sergeant Nature? 2nd (Lieutenant) Nature?

[Ilsa]

40. I compared him to radical Shite Islamists when I called

his office to complain. I told the aide (who sounded worn out with dealing with this shit) that Chambliss sounded like he was a step away from ordering women to wear burkas to protect the "innocence young men who can't control themselves."

[mckara]

45. Is It also Natural for Republican Senators from Georgia to be Stupid?

I'd guess: yes!

[SoCalDem]

55. Military women are being raped because they are "there" and the military has recruited predators

This is still a contingent of military men who think the "gals": are there for their "amusement".

There was a time when military men often had "kept women" outside their bases, or they frequented brothels. Since the "action" is mostly in hyper-religious Middle eastern countries these days, the men who prey, are preying on their own comrades..

It's obvious (to me) that there is a group at the top who never wanted "wimminfolk" in their ranks to start with, and they may just think it's what the "gals" deserve for daring to think they could be soldiers. These guys in charge think it;s perfectly okay for young men to stick their dicks into any available hole.. and if the women don;t ;like it, they can leave..

[Jack Rabbit]

56. Another Bible-belt Republican pontificates on the nature of rape

. . . and somehow ends up sounding as goofy as a medieval philosopher giving an ontological proof for the existence of God.

On the other hand, St. Anselm didn't get anyone to convert to Islam or go back to the old pagan gods with his nonsense. A woman who votes Republican has to have a serious case of Stockholm syndrome.

[Rex]

58. Really he did a study on 'aircraft carriers and female pregnancy'?

Is he some kind of special moran...because that just goes beyond my understanding of really really really stupid people.

[Whisp]

72. piece of shit!

[Just Saying]

76. Republicans are just full of word vomit when it comes to rape.

Are they really this clueless?

[RB TexLa]

99. What does he blame for military men being raped?

[DebJ]

117. Clearly he is saying that it is 'natural' for a man to have urges

to have sex with another man. That is the Republican position, is it not? sarcasm

[PD Turk]

100. I have a natural desire

I have a natural desire to choke the living shit out of every republican I see. But. I live in a civilized society with laws against such things so I know better than to act on such desires lest I wind up prosecuted and incarcerated. Funny how that works.

[RedCappedBandit]

101. Makes me wonder about his own past. nt

[Warpy]

102. Conflating consensual and non consensual sex?

Way to go, Sackless, to keep proving to women that "consent" is not something the Republican Party recognizes, probably because they have neither sought nor received it.

[Deep13]

103. We have many things in our nature.

Lust and wrath are among them, but so is the ability to decide to to give in to them. Not being a monster is surprisingly easy.

[Beacool]

104. OK, then I'll blame hormones if I ever get the opportunity to kick him in the nuts.

[spanone]

105. i shit republicans

[Stratosgc]

106. Same excuse that Imams use for the burka

He sounds like the local Moslim leader saying the women must be completely covered up because men have no self control. It is the woman fault if she gets raped.
Just by his name you know Saxby Chamblis was borne in the big house on the plantation.

[backscatter712]

107. Remember how this subhuman fuck got elected.

He called Max Cleland a traitor, and broadcast ads morphing his face into Osama Bin Laden's.

Yep, that's right. He called a man who lost three limbs in Vietnam fighting for our country a traitor.

If I said what I really think about Chambliss, the FBI would be sent to investigate...

[BobTheSubgenius]

109. Say what you want about reprehensible Republican reps...

....but no one makes me more nauseous than Chambliss. After what he did to Max Cleland, there is NO redemption possible.

[lark]

110. Said a*hole was never in the military.

He has no idea about what military men go thru and even made fun of a true Vietnam vet. He's just continuing the Repug war against women and condoning rape just like others of his ilk have done prominently over the last few years. Haven't figured out yet what they think they are gaining by dissing women so prominently?

I think they're just plain scum.

[Demeter]

112. GOP SPEAK: SEX = RAPE = SEX = LOVE

NO concept of nuance or the difference between abuse of power and courtship.

[tclambert]

114. We should sic the oil companies on it.

If anybody knows how to rape nature, they sure do.

[shenmue]

115. What a disgrace

[DallasNE]

116. "Nature" Makes 17-23 Year Olds Violent Criminals?

If that is the case we would be seeing this world-wide, military and non-military, yet the high level of violent rape is centered in the American military. That right there eliminates "nature" as the cause. Nor is it "culture" as Sen. Sessions claimed and for the same reason. Is it the machismo nature of military service then? But that same machismo exists in law enforcement so that can't be the answer either. What about Tail hook? That was well researched so what were the finding from that and to what degree were the recommendations from that study implemented. This is not something new so why are people treating it like it is. Outwardly, this is a chain of command issue that has long been swept under the rug. The military cannot police its conduct. It needs outside accountability with the power to direct change within the military when warranted - like after Tail hook. Anything less means we will again be addressing this issue 25 years from now.

[WI_DEM]

118. I wonder how many women that good 'ol boy raped when he was 17-23?

after all it was just good, clean all-American fun.