Does PRISM focus on American or foreign targets?

[ProSense]

WaPo:

The National Security Agency and the FBI are tapping directly into the central servers of nine leading U.S. Internet companies, extracting audio and video chats, photographs, e-mails, documents, and connection logs that enable analysts to track foreign targets, according to a top-secret document obtained by The Washington Post.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/us-intelligence-mining-data-from-nine-us-internet-companies-in-broad-secret-program/2013/06/06/3a0c0da8-cebf-11e2-8845-d970ccb04497_print.html

WaPo "hedged its stunning claim" about companies giving "Government direct access to their servers"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022967870

Obama: PRISM Doesn’t Apply To U.S. Citizens
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022965452


Updated to add "Both"

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[NYC_SKP]

1. So far, one right and one wrong answer.

Not surprised.

[ProSense]

2. :)

Not surprised.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

10. Tell us all about how you take the NSA at their word

I love stories with happy endings!

[usGovOwesUs3Trillion]

3. You missed an option: BOTH

Please update your poll.

Thank you.

[ProSense]

5. Done. n/t

[usGovOwesUs3Trillion]

7. Thank you

Gotta feeling that one will be a popular choice.

[ProSense]

9. Yeah,

"Gotta feeling that one will be a popular choice."

I mean, WaPo and the President agree that the program's targets are foreign, but who needs facts?

[usGovOwesUs3Trillion]

11. that

trust thing can be a difficult thing to acquire, especially when you once had it, you often never regain it.

I will reserve judgment until I see how they respond to this issue... will they be out in front of it, and denounce it like they did with the Tea Party 'scandal'?

[RKP5637]

8. Thank you! n/t

[boilerbabe]

4. implying one (foreign) is more worthy of being targetted based on geography

and implying that is ok is fucked up. I can't beleve so many of you dont GET THIS. WTF

[dkf]

6. They suck in everyone's info to focus on the foreign.

The American data is considered "incidental" but they have it nonetheless.

[ProSense]

13. You're conflating issues n/t

[dkf]

15. No...this is why they can say prism focuses on the foreign while collecting all our info.

Focusing on the foreign doesn't mean that's the only data in prism, get it?

[ProSense]

16. No,

"No...this is why they can say prism focuses on the foreign while collecting all our info. Focusing on the foreign doesn't mean that's the only data in prism, get it?"

...that's completely inaccurate.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2968865

[krawhitham]

12. PRISM does not exist

Yes they are collecting phone metadata, and maybe CC info. But PRISM is about direct server access

PRISM is a HOAX

[usGovOwesUs3Trillion]

14. Introducing the program

A slide briefing analysts at the National Security Agency about the program touts its effectiveness and features the logos of the companies involved.



more...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/prism-collection-documents/

[cherokeeprogressive]

17. I don't give a damn how you spin surveillance. The government has been out of control since Tonkin.

You can make every excuse you want for the AMOUNT of surveillance that's going on today. I don't care. I don't care if BUSH did it. I don't care if NIXON did it. I don't care if KENNEDY did it. I don't care if LBJ did it... it's OUT OF FUCKING CONTROL. OUT. OF. FUCKING. CONTROL. I care about what's going on TODAY, and make no excuses or claims for what happened before 1*20*2009.

I joined the Democratic party when I turned 18 in 1979. I joined because of what I'd learned about the GOVERNMENT, seeing as how I had THREE Uncles in Vietnam. Two were drafted, one volunteered. All three of my Uncles served in Vietnam in the '60s. I remember how my Grandma was on edge... EVERY time the phone rang (and we lived across the street from her so I was in her house at least as often as I was in my own) and EVERY time someone knocked on the door... she answered every time KNOWING it was bad news... Once, it was the Fuller Brush Man. She bought EVERYTHING he had; that's how manic she was. My Grandpa knew better than to get in her way while her Sons were at war...

Turns out Tonkin was a FUCKING LIE. I remember the argument at the dinner table during its repeal. It was at that dinner that I first became aware of "government", its ability, and its power over our daily lives.

Then came the music. For me it was 93KHJ on my hand-held AM radio. I learned about the songs, and their meanings. Then, I started paying attention to the news. The silhouettes on Friday telling how many Americans and how many "enemy" died.

I have no expectation that "The Government" has MY best interests at heart. I have NO EXPECTATION that ANYTHING the government feeds the "news services" is the WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH.

I don't trust GOVERNMENT. We have two. We have POLITICIANS, who seek their offices and our votes because of nothing more than Egotistical or Self-Aggrandizing reasons, and we have BUREAUCRATS who (this is where the rubber meets the road) work for them, and do their jobs while trying to interpret the public prognostications of their Bosses. NONE of them have our best interests at heart.

I'll apologize here, ProSense, for the post I made that got hidden. I'm sorry. Here's where I was coming from... I get tired of those who defend every single criticism of this administration out of hand.

Hope? I hope. Change? I HOPED the President I voted for might CHANGE the ARC our government has been taking since the Tonkin Lie. It ain't happenin'.

Bottom line? I apologize to you for what I said in my hidden post. I'm sorry.

[RKP5637]

19. Well said IMO. My childhood trust left years ago, I keep hoping but creditability is

diminishing, and I'm not directing this at Obama or any political party or anyone on DU. In short, there is just too much shit that goes on to have a childhood trust.

[ProSense]

20. I understand

"I joined the Democratic party when I turned 18 in 1979. I joined because of what I'd learned about the GOVERNMENT, seeing as how I had THREE Uncles in Vietnam. Two were drafted, one volunteered. All three of my Uncles served in Vietnam in the '60s. I remember how my Grandma was on edge... EVERY time the phone rang (and we lived across the street from her so I was in her house at least as often as I was in my own) and EVERY time someone knocked on the door... she answered every time KNOWING it was bad news... Once, it was the Fuller Brush Man. She bought EVERYTHING he had; that's how manic she was. My Grandpa knew better than to get in her way while her Sons were at war... "

...the outrage. The FISA law was enacted a year earlier.

Still, it's out of control, and that's not new, but facts matter, especially when this becomes fodder for anti-government arguments.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022962040
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022968623#post4

[cherokeeprogressive]

22. Bottom line: I apologize, PUBLICLY. I'm sorry.

We're on the same side. We might not agree on lots of things, but we want the same end. We just disagree on how to get there.

Sorry.

[Savannahmann]

18. At this point, the last people I'd trust to outline the program would be the Administration.

The administration says they are NOT monitoring domestic email. Then that's a problem.

I'd trust them on any number of other issues including Healthcare, but for this? When we look at a Bush program run by those Bastards Rove and Cheney the question isn't do we shut it down. The question has to be do we prosecute the idiots that ran it. Instead we take it to the modern level, and invest $2 Billion in a bigger facility to handle more information.

I'd take the administrations word on Healthcare. Intent on GBLT Rights. Economic issues. But this? No way in hell.

[ProSense]

21. Do you trust WaPo?

"At this point, the last people I'd trust to outline the program would be the Administration."

No one has to "trust" the administration. What are the facts?