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G_j

(40,367 posts)
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 11:11 AM Jun 2013

How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?

http://www.fair.org/blog/2013/06/07/how-many-iraqis-died-in-the-iraq-war/


How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?
Posted by Rebecca Hellmich


How many Iraqis died in the Iraq War? That's the kind of question that should be asked, especially if you happen to live in the countries that launched the war that killed so many.

The results from a new poll commissioned by the British media watchdog group MediaLens exposed a startling disconnect between the realities of the Iraq War and public perceptions of it: Namely, what the Iraqi death toll was. When Britons were asked "how many Iraqis, both combatants and civilians, do you think have died as a consequence of the war that began in Iraq in 2003?," 44 percent of respondents estimated that 5,000 or fewer deaths had occurred.

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These answers are, of course, way off the mark. Estimates of the death toll range from about 174,000 (Iraq Body Count, 3/19/13) to over a million (Opinion Business Research, cited in Congressional Research Service, 10/7/10). Even at the times of those U.S. polls, death estimates were far beyond the public's estimates.

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It seems that much of the mainstream media took Tommy Franks' infamous quote, "We don't do body counts" (San Francisco Chronicle, 5/3/03), to heart, because Iraqi victims of warfare were rarely of interest in news reports.

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How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War? (Original Post) G_j Jun 2013 OP
this is why I unabashedly call this a racist war greenman3610 Jun 2013 #1
+1. AND were orphaned. AND were wounded. AND suffered PTSD. ( Or can only Americans "catch" that?) Smarmie Doofus Jun 2013 #4
the dead, the wounded, the displaced--all for a war in a country that had nothing to do with 9/11 niyad Jun 2013 #2
You can say that again. Or should I say THIS again: Smarmie Doofus Jun 2013 #3
K&R Solly Mack Jun 2013 #5
"Illegal Invasion of Iraq With Pitiable Defense". Only one side had a true military force. WinkyDink Jun 2013 #6
Thank you, G_j. Octafish Jun 2013 #7
wow G_j Jun 2013 #9
. libodem Jun 2013 #8
complex question... Celldweller Jun 2013 #10
many details addressed here: G_j Jun 2013 #11

greenman3610

(3,947 posts)
1. this is why I unabashedly call this a racist war
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 11:15 AM
Jun 2013

it's considered impolite to even bring up how many dark skinned foreigners died.

 

Smarmie Doofus

(14,498 posts)
4. +1. AND were orphaned. AND were wounded. AND suffered PTSD. ( Or can only Americans "catch" that?)
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 12:11 PM
Jun 2013

AND were economically ruined. AND committed suicide 10 years later for no apparent fucking reason.
AND were left homeless. AND were left unemployed. AND couldn't feed their families. AND couldn't get medical care.


AND AND AND AND.......

niyad

(113,303 posts)
2. the dead, the wounded, the displaced--all for a war in a country that had nothing to do with 9/11
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 11:34 AM
Jun 2013
 

Smarmie Doofus

(14,498 posts)
3. You can say that again. Or should I say THIS again:
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 12:04 PM
Jun 2013

>>>It seems that much of the mainstream media took Tommy Franks' infamous quote, "We don't do body counts" (San Francisco Chronicle, 5/3/03), to heart, because Iraqi victims of warfare were rarely of interest in news reports. >>>

Still the case today. You can see it in threads right here.

G_j

(40,367 posts)
9. wow
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 01:35 PM
Jun 2013

everyone should visit that link, it is devastating. The appalling scale of the horror has been meticulously ignored.

 

Celldweller

(186 posts)
10. complex question...
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 02:03 PM
Jun 2013

How many armed Iraqi insurgents killed by coalition forces?

How many civilians at the hands of coalition forces, aka collateral damage?

How many civilians at the hands of sectarian violence?

How many Iraqi security forces at the hands of insurgents?

G_j

(40,367 posts)
11. many details addressed here:
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 04:17 PM
Jun 2013
http://www.iraqbodycount.org/analysis/numbers/ten-years/

The figures below provide a statistical overview of the conflict which outlines its human toll. Numbers are derived from over 31,500 deadly incidents analysed for information including time and location, perpetrators and weapons used, with demographic records for those victims (around 40% of the total) for whom such information could be obtained.

In Sum
1 Slight variation of this figure from the IBC database will be due to the continuous addition of data as the online database is updated, and the inclusion in this release of March 2013 incidents still being fully processed.
IBC has documented 112,017 - 122,438 civilian deaths from violence between 20 March 2003 and 14 March 2013. 1

A complete account of violent deaths that includes Iraqi and foreign combatants (including coalition forces), as well as previously unreported civilian deaths still being extracted by IBC from the Iraq War Logs released by WikiLeaks, would include:

39,900 (combatants killed of all nationalities)
11,500 civilians (likely to be added from the Iraq War Logs)
2 For details, see IBC’s 2012 annual report with updates on overall numbers and the Iraq War Logs.
3 70,000 people killed in Iraq since 2003, says Human Rights Ministry, AK News
yielding about 174,000 as the number of people documented killed in violence in Iraq since 2003. 2

IBC has recorded an additional 135,089 civilians injured, along with incident and demographic details where known. However IBC only records injured in incidents where there were also deaths, and (unlike for deaths) official Iraqi figures are consistently higher than IBC's. In May 2012 the Iraqi Human Rights Ministry reported that there had been 250,000 injured since 2003. 3

In Detail
The most intense period for civilian deaths was at the war’s very beginning, when more than 6,700 were killed in just 3 weeks of ‘Shock and Awe’ (from 20th March to the seizure of Baghdad on 9th April: a rate of 320 per day for 21 days).

The most violent month after the invasion was July 2006, with 3,266 violent deaths. The most sustained period for high-level violence was during the fourth and fifth years from March 2006 to March 2008, when ‘sectarian’ killings peaked and some 52,000 died.

Annual civilian deaths since 2003 (counting from 20 March–19 March each year):

14,007 in year one
12,001 in year two
17,026 in year three
31,418 in year four
20,930 in year five
7,829 in year six
4,747 in year seven
4,133 in year eight
4,433 in year nine
~4250 in year ten 1

The majority of civilian deaths during the first year (at least 55%) were directly caused by US/Coalition forces, who were reported as directly causing around 7% of all deaths in the subsequent period until their formal withdrawal on 31st December 2011.

Current deaths per year for civilians in Iraq (at between 4 and 5 thousand) are still of the same order as the total number of US and Coalition military killed over the entire 10 year period (now 4,804 according to http://icasualties.org). Overall there have been 25 Iraqi civilian deaths for every one US and coalition forces death.

Iraqi victims of the war come from all walks of life. IBC was able to determine the occupation of nearly 23,600 victims, covering some 700 professions. By far the greatest number were police who, along with journalists, are also most likely to have their profession mentioned, and hence to have been most completely recorded.

IBC’s documented occupational groupings, and the number of deaths reported for each, include:

10,238 police (excluding paramilitaries)
2,783 neighbourhood and private security
1,605 officials and public sector workers
751 community and religious leaders
288 journalists and media workers
265 medics and health care workers
4 For a detailed account of the demographics of victims and the weapons that killed them, see IBC co-authored articles in the New England Journal of Medicine, PLoS Medicine, and The Lancet
Among slightly more than 50,000 victims about whom IBC could obtain demographic information, men numbered 38,441 (77%), women 4,373 (8.7%), and children 4,191 (8.4%). The weapons that kill women and children tend to be different from those used to kill adult males, who are more often directly or even individually targeted. 4

5 For a review of these incidents up to Oct 2007, see Large bombings claim ever more lives
During these ten years 41,636 civilians were killed by explosives (including 13,441 in suicide attacks), and a further 5,725 by air attacks (usually also involving explosive munitions), and 64,226 by gunfire. There were 81 very large-scale bomb attacks over the post-invasion period, each claiming on average 85 lives and leaving about 200 wounded (from 6,879 killed, 16,340 wounded). The worst year for these events was 2007, with 20 such incidents, half of them in Baghdad.

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