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Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 12:26 PM Jun 2013

What metadata can tell about you... (p.s. "more intrusive than content)

“The public doesn’t understand,” she told me, speaking about so-called metadata. “It’s much more intrusive than content.” She explained that the government can learn immense amounts of proprietary information by studying “who you call, and who they call. If you can track that, you know exactly what is happening—you don’t need the content.”

For example, she said, in the world of business, a pattern of phone calls from key executives can reveal impending corporate takeovers. Personal phone calls can also reveal sensitive medical information: “You can see a call to a gynecologist, and then a call to an oncologist, and then a call to close family members.” And information from cell-phone towers can reveal the caller’s location. Metadata, she pointed out, can be so revelatory about whom reporters talk to in order to get sensitive stories that it can make more traditional tools in leak investigations, like search warrants and subpoenas, look quaint. “You can see the sources,” she said. When the F.B.I. obtains such records from news agencies, the Attorney General is required to sign off on each invasion of privacy. When the N.S.A. sweeps up millions of records a minute, it’s unclear if any such brakes are applied.

Metadata, Landau noted, can also reveal sensitive political information, showing, for instance, if opposition leaders are meeting, who is involved, where they gather, and for how long. Such data can reveal, too, who is romantically involved with whom, by tracking the locations of cell phones at night.


http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2013/06/verizon-nsa-metadata-surveillance-problem.html?mbid=gnep&google_editors_picks=true
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What metadata can tell about you... (p.s. "more intrusive than content) (Original Post) Luminous Animal Jun 2013 OP
Wow, so they're going to find out who I am romantically involved with! Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #1
This is ProSense Jun 2013 #2
"ridiculous spin" Skittles Jun 2013 #6
It's just harmless data....that's why they're keeping the collection of it secret. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #3
It's just harmless data...that's why they are even doing it. morningfog Jun 2013 #7
That's right. And besides, saint barack is president! So, be happy and glad!11!!!1 PSPS Jun 2013 #9
Saying it's more intrusive than content is hyperbole gollygee Jun 2013 #4
check this out Skittles Jun 2013 #8
not a search jbond56 Jun 2013 #5

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
1. Wow, so they're going to find out who I am romantically involved with!
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 12:31 PM
Jun 2013

I hope Eva Longoria doesn't break under questioning and admit that I like her guacamole!!

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
2. This is
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 12:31 PM
Jun 2013
For example, she said, in the world of business, a pattern of phone calls from key executives can reveal impending corporate takeovers. Personal phone calls can also reveal sensitive medical information: “You can see a call to a gynecologist, and then a call to an oncologist, and then a call to close family members.” And information from cell-phone towers can reveal the caller’s location. Metadata, she pointed out, can be so revelatory about whom reporters talk to in order to get sensitive stories that it can make more traditional tools in leak investigations, like search warrants and subpoenas, look quaint. “You can see the sources,” she said. When the F.B.I. obtains such records from news agencies, the Attorney General is required to sign off on each invasion of privacy. When the N.S.A. sweeps up millions of records a minute, it’s unclear if any such brakes are applied.

...ridiculous spin. I mean, actually spying on people, wiretapping their conversations is less intrusive than metadata?

Absurd!

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
3. It's just harmless data....that's why they're keeping the collection of it secret.
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 12:34 PM
Jun 2013

And, pursuing whoever told us about the collection of harmless data.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
7. It's just harmless data...that's why they are even doing it.
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 01:04 PM
Jun 2013

I am stunned at the double-think being offered on this.

PSPS

(13,594 posts)
9. That's right. And besides, saint barack is president! So, be happy and glad!11!!!1
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 01:22 PM
Jun 2013

Oh, and don't forget, "If you have nothing to hide...," "President Hitler would be worse," "You're handing the election to Christie," "This is nothing new," and the next, I suppose, will be the ever ready, "Why do you hate America?"

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
4. Saying it's more intrusive than content is hyperbole
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 12:35 PM
Jun 2013

though I agree that it is intrusive and can tell more than people might think, it won't tell more than content.

jbond56

(403 posts)
5. not a search
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 12:37 PM
Jun 2013

so not covered by 4th amendment.

Gov has been collecting this since 1979.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_v._Maryland

Should we change this? I think so but that involves changing the supreme court. Does that happen if we elect Republicans?

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