Guardian: New Alleged PRISM Slide Released "Collection Directly From the Servers"

[Hissyspit]

http://www.guardiannews.com/world/2013/jun/08/nsa-surveillance-prism-obama-live

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While many of these have provided useful insight and detail into the operation of the program, several of the reports do not tally with the information obtained by the Guardian.

Some articles have claimed that Prism is not a tool used for the collection of information from US companies, but is instead an internal tool used to analyse such information.

Others have speculated – in the light of denials from technology companies about granting "direct access" to servers – that Prism operates through interception of communication cables.

Both of these theories appear to be contradicted by internal NSA documents.

In the interests of aiding the debate over how Prism works, the Guardian is publishing an additional slide from the 41-slide presentation which details Prism and its operation. We have redacted some program names.

The slide, below, details different methods of data collection under the FISA Amendment Act of 2008 (which was renewed in December 2012). It clearly distinguishes Prism, which involves data collection from servers, as distinct from four different programs involving data collection from "fiber cables and infrastructure as data flows past".



A slide from the NSA Prism presentation that gives more details of the secretive program. Photograph: /Guardian

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The Guardian's initial reporting of Prism made clear the technology companies denied all knowledge of the program, and did not speculate on whether it would need such co-operation in order to work.

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[WestStar]

1. I heard Amy Goodman interview Glenn Greenwald on DemocrocyNow radio

this morning.

She asked him if the White House threat to investigate the leaks would hinder or impede his reporting.

His answer was that "No, it will only embolden me. I have much more information to release."

Drip Drip Drip

[Cha]

4. Yeah, I bet the little rat fucker does.. just like his big Breaking News!!1111

[Hissyspit]

5. That graphic is getting old, too.

It's out of context and fails to mention that he then began to blog as a way to attack the Bush administration's policies and unconstitutional activities, and he has been consistent in his critique of lack of transparency and the surveillance state and in defense of civil liberties since, what the graphic depicts, his "wake-up call" which was against George W. Bush, a Republican.

I don't agree with Greenwald and he makes mistakes, but the graphic is disingenuous.

[Cha]

7. Yeah well, we all knew better than Greenwald back then..

http://theobamadiary.com/2013/06/08/rise-and-shine-523/

And, some of us are still not impressed with him..

Zandar @ZandarVTS

And now we find out WaPo is backing way, way, way away from Greenwald's claims. http://read.bi/18cZ5mn

The Washington Post Has Now Hedged Its Stunning Claim About Google, Facebook, Etc, Giving The Government Direct Access To Their Servers

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And now, 24 hours later, after more denials and questions, the Post has made at least two important changes to its spying story.

First, the Post has eliminated the assertion that the technology companies "knowingly" participated in the government spying program.

Second, and more importantly, the Post has hedged its assertion that the companies have granted the government direct access to their servers.

The latter change is subtle, but important. In the first version of its story, the Post stated as a fact that the government had been given direct access to the companies' servers.

Now, the Post attributes the claim to a government presentation--a document that has been subjected to significant scrutiny and skepticism over the past day and that, in this respect, at least, seems inaccurate.

In other words, the Post appears to have essentially retracted the most startling and important part of its story: That the country's largest technology companies have voluntarily given the government direct access to their central servers so the government can spy on the tech companies' users in real time.

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http://www.businessinsider.com/washington-post-updates-spying-story-2013-6

[Hissyspit]

8. The thing at the top just repeats the graphic.

Greenwald wrote tens thousands of words about what Bush was doing to civil liberties.

That's the Washington Post's article (which they have revised because it was badly written), not Greenwald's.

Greenwald on Twitter: "Like I said, I'm happy to show the slide. And we got nothing wrong. Unlike WP, we featured companies' denials."

[Cha]

9. No, shit.

And, yet he still trusted bush. I don't trust greenwald. End of story.

[Bluenorthwest]

15. But you supported the appointment of Republican and Iraq War Yes voter Chuck Hagel

And you have praised Andrew Sullivan, who salivated over Bush, wrote war drum prose for him, mocked anyone who questioned the 'intelligence' or the invasion.
So your standards toward Greenwald are extremely different than for others. Hagel actually voted for the war, and got put in charge of Defense, with your cheers and whistles.
I can respectt a person with a different point of view, but those who have many points of view that shift about depending on the situation are simply comical to me. Flailing is very slapstick.

[Luminous Animal]

6. And he invented the internet! Oh wait...

that was Al Gore.

[Mojorabbit]

10. Yes this graphic is getting really old. it does not add to the topic at hand. nt

[Cha]

16. Yeah, I can see why those who think Greenwald is hot shit

would think it's getting "old". Greenwald is sleezy imo.. and goes right to the topic at hand.

[boilerbabe]

11. damn, Cha, Greenwald sounds like that warmonger Susan Rice in this meme.

i bet you have a cute meme for her as well because she supported Bush's war.

[woo me with science]

13. ...

[JaneyVee]

2. Isn't he worried about being droned, he's an American in a foreign country.

[woo me with science]

12. I'm sure he feels safer reporting about the workings of THIS government

from overseas.

[blkmusclmachine]

3. .

.

[woo me with science]

14. Denials crumbling. Thank goodness for foreign media

and that, for now, at least, we still have access to it...

[struggle4progress]

17. A presentation slide!!!1!1 I always believe whatever I see on a presentation slide!1!1!!

[Hissyspit]

18. Haven't seen any denials the slides are real.

They are open to interpretation, of course:

http://hotair.com/archives/2013/06/08/guardian-prism-collection-directly-from-the-servers/

http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2013/06/07/the_prism_spin_war_has_begun

[struggle4progress]

19. The slide may indeed be real: but if so, all it proves is that someone made a slide

that could be interpreted as you wish to interpret it -- and THAT falls rather short of establishing the interpretation as fact