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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhat's the difference between Facebook and NSA?
Call me socially retarded (borderline aspergers), but I really dont know what the difference between billions of people ENTHUSIASTICALLY sharing the most intimate details of their social lives with each other including the governments of the world on Facebook for hours each day................. and this NSA thing which is it seems is much MUCH less revealing than Facebook. Anybody know?
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)jmowreader
(50,557 posts)Facebook lets you sign up if you're 13 years old.
Also consider: the people IN your photos can't consent to your posting them. I think this already happened: a teacher at a Christian school took a trip to Europe with some of her friends. One of the friends posted a photo of the teacher holding a cigarette and alcoholic beverage to her Facebook page; when the teacher got back she was fired for conduct contrary to Good Christian Values.
longship
(40,416 posts)dkf
(37,305 posts)If I choose to drop out of their system I can.
I wonder if there is any truth to this:
The IRS may be snooping through Facebook and Twitter to nab tax evaders
http://m.digitaltrends.com/social-media/irs-could-audit-you-for-social-media-posts/
ErikJ
(6,335 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)made me suspicious of them from the beginning. Learning more about Zuckerman simply confirmed my suspicions. The only site that ever demanded real life info. As far as I am concerned, they work with the NSA.
However, people know what they are doing when they post their info there, it is their decision to do so and as someone above said, FB so far as I know, and I could be wrong, doesn't have the power to make you disappear into a Federal prison.
ErikJ
(6,335 posts)The govt can and most likely is monitoring Facebook too.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Quantess
(27,630 posts)It makes sense to use a photo of yourself and a facsimilie of your real name or at least enough so that your friends and family can recognize you and can contact you.
Other than that, there's no reason for you to give away any of your information. Address, phone number, birthday... go ahead and give out slightly fake data.
FB already knows your IP address. Why give them your mailing address when you can bypass it?
If you don't use FB from your smartphone (I don't) then they have no justification to know your phone number. Just pretend that you have no phone when you're signing up.
magellan
(13,257 posts)The first reply to your question sums it up: informed consent.
People choose to join FB. They choose what they'll share publicly, only with friends, or not at all.
There is NO choice about what the government is doing, and it appears they have access to essentially whatever they like, whenever they choose to be interested in it.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Did the NSA bully anyone to death?
People on Facebook did.
Did the NSA lure anyone into rape?
People on Facebook did.
dkf
(37,305 posts)Ever? I'm skeptical.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)FB, much as I despise the owner, did NOT bully people to death. People misused the site to do that, people who would have done it without FB, they are criminals and people have bullied people to death for generations without FB.
You have implied that FB is responsible for the behavior of 'people'.
Does FB condone this behavior? No, saving you the trouble, they do not condone it.
Does the NSA condone spying on Americans, Yes, saving you the trouble. they do condone it.
See the difference?
rawtribe
(1,493 posts)Yet.
pnwmom
(108,978 posts)And you're not the only one asking it.
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/03/16/opinion/schneier-internet-surveillance
The Internet is a surveillance state. Whether we admit it to ourselves or not, and whether we like it or not, we're being tracked all the time. Google tracks us, both on its pages and on other pages it has access to. Facebook does the same; it even tracks non-Facebook users. Apple tracks us on our iPhones and iPads. One reporter used a tool called Collusion to track who was tracking him; 105 companies tracked his Internet use during one 36-hour period.
Increasingly, what we do on the Internet is being combined with other data about us. Unmasking Broadwell's identity involved correlating her Internet activity with her hotel stays. Everything we do now involves computers, and computers produce data as a natural by-product. Everything is now being saved and correlated, and many big-data companies make money by building up intimate profiles of our lives from a variety of sources.
Facebook, for example, correlates your online behavior with your purchasing habits offline. And there's more. There's location data from your cell phone, there's a record of your movements from closed-circuit TVs.
This is ubiquitous surveillance: All of us being watched, all the time, and that data being stored forever. This is what a surveillance state looks like, and it's efficient beyond the wildest dreams of George Orwell.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)info, you do it voluntarily, you have a say in what you want to reveal about yourself.
Telecom spying, tracking your calls, was being done secretly. The president stated that it was 'classified for a reason' so don't bother with the 'old news' excuse, the President blew that away when he called it a 'leak'. You can't leak an 'old story'. And now the DOJ is supposedly going after the leaker.
There is simply no comparison between FB and this egregious violation of Constitutional rights by the GOVERNMENT. What is it about all of this you do not get? Did you get it when Bush did it?
FB's actions are NOT 'ubiquitous surveillance', much as I despise them, you can't be surveilled by FB without your PERMISSION.
ileus
(15,396 posts)On FB you share what you WANT.
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)And, unlike your employer, the NSA is unlikely to fire you if they do.
But that's okay. Your employer is your friend. They cannot hurt you.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)...it's best to just acquiesce to Obama's surveillance regime? I don't understand your point. Why does one thing follow the other? And of course, who,what, where, when, and why?
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)Or, if you prefer, yes.
So goes the so construct.
boilerbabe
(2,214 posts)NSA is the govt and you have no option to join or quit. not really rocket science unless you are purposefully being obtuse,
you can chose what info goes on facebook. NSA just comes after you secretly and gets all your info.
TheKentuckian
(25,026 posts)Facebook is volunteer, the NSA surveillance dragnet is compulsory. It is also specifically prohibited as a power of our government in such a fashion by this quaint lil thing called the fourth amendment and no amount of voodoo and distortion from minds like John Woo will change that.
"Because...Facebook" is the lamest and dumbest excuse ever. "The dog ate my homework" is lightyears ahead.
OnyxCollie
(9,958 posts)is the reason why the US is not headed toward totalitarianism, according to one of my political science professors.
Two years ago. I kid you not.
JoeyT
(6,785 posts)That makes a pretty big difference. I don't have to have a Facebook, and I don't. If I want to work, I have to have a cell phone.
Ms. Toad
(34,070 posts)blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)sibelian
(7,804 posts)pansypoo53219
(20,976 posts)facebook is a FBI tool.
Chisox08
(1,898 posts)I have control over what I share with the rest of the world. With the NSA I have no choice in what information they gather.
I can also live without facebook, I need my phone and email for work and other things.
sibelian
(7,804 posts)The ads that pop upare sometimes laughably inappropriate.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)The ad revenue is the only thing that keeps Facebook going.
I don't have a Facebook account. I chose not to have one. I can't opt out of the NSA's spying activities.
CBHagman
(16,984 posts)Facebook, on the other hand...