It is simple,people...

[undergroundpanther]

Authoritarians & authoritarianism are INCOMPATIBLE with DEMOCRACY.You Cannot have democracy where there are authoritarians trying to control people lives and push them out of politics and keep them ignorant and lie,likewise authoritarianism cannot exist alongside a bold,radical, morally aware ,emotionally mature,well informed,compassionate,yet intolerant of the intolerable,educated,open,transparent participating citizenry with rights laws agreed upon by those citizens that apply to all ...basically that is a Democracy.

Anyone who thinks there is an excess of democracy,these days might just be an authoritarian,the ENEMY of Democracy.

Do you want a democracy? then we need to shut up the loudmouth authoritarians and shut down the authoritarianism that already has encroached too much into power.

[uponit7771]

1. I'd like a democracy of course but from the likes of war mongers and traitors? Nope

...because you'd just end up with the thing your moving away from

[Hell Hath No Fury]

2. Our Founding Fathers were -

were a "bunch of traitors" who fully expected to face hanging by the Crown when they signed the Declaration of Independence to create our country. Just thought you needed reminding.

[uponit7771]

3. they weren't a bunch of war mongers, people who suipported Iraq war blindly are IMHO

..and that's what Greenwald did

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

5. So did Hillary and and a bunch of other Democrats.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

6. You mentioned "war mongers"?

Democratic Senators who voted YEA on October 2002:

Baucus (D-MT), Yea
Bayh (D-IN), Yea
Biden (D-DE), Yea
Breaux (D-LA), Yea
Cantwell (D-WA), Yea
Carnahan (D-MO), Yea
Carper (D-DE), Yea
Cleland (D-GA), Yea
Clinton (D-NY), Yea
Daschle (D-SD), Yea
Dodd (D-CT), Yea
Dorgan (D-ND), Yea
Edwards (D-NC), Yea
Feinstein (D-CA), Yea
Harkin (D-IA), Yea
Hollings (D-SC), Yea
Johnson (D-SD), Yea
Kerry (D-MA), Yea
Kohl (D-WI), Yea
Landrieu (D-LA), Yea
Lieberman (D-CT), Yea
Lincoln (D-AR), Yea
Miller (D-GA), Yea
Nelson (D-FL), Yea
Nelson (D-NE), Yea
Reid (D-NV), Yea
Rockefeller (D-WV), Yea
Schumer (D-NY), Yea
Torricelli (D-NJ), Yea

[11 Bravo]

4. So,, in order to create your perfect democracy, we must first shut up all loudmouths with whom ...

you disagree?

[hootinholler]

7. The irony is strong in that statement

The one you reference, not yours.

Other than that, I think it's on the right track.

[LWolf]

8. It's not simple if

your main political goal in life is to be an apologist.

[Egalitarian Thug]

9. Democracy, in and of itself, is simply mob rule. That's the reason for the checks and balances

built into the foundations of our government. Those traitorous terrorists that risked all to create this beginning understood this and built the rules of that government to resist that tendency, ironically, that's what makes it possible for a minority of authoritarians to deny the wishes of the majority and to block progress. It was our failure to take that start and continue to improve it that allowed the authoritarians to gain control over it.

The basis of our authoritarian society is coercion, force, violence. Therefore, what we need is to neuter authoritarianism, to take those tools away from them.

This, I believe, is the fundamental issue that must be addressed if we are to break this cycle of pillage. I also believe that we now have the means to achieve it.