I don't Remember Democrats here supporting the Patriot act when it was signed.

[Notafraidtoo]

Whats changed? If your convictions change simply because you like the guy enforcing something you never liked in the first place what is it you really stand for? I know its old news i have been angry about it for years but this is a opportunity to put a stop to it lets take it.

I like Obama and i think hes a good president but hes never going to convince me to like the patriot act and what it entails,of course hes far less to blame then the American public who allowed this to happen but to suddenly support intrusions on our constitutional rights because you like a guy i just cant wrap my head around that. This should bother us all regardless who the president is.

Arguments like google has my info etc. well not only did you volunteer that info to google as your right but google cant lock you up or accuse you of anything. Has history showed you nothing? I don't fear a obama administration spying on us, I fear a future radical republican president spying on us who will not listen to our objections of his powers, nows the time to end this before it goes to far.

[villager]

1. Many Democrats here at the "Underground" will now support whatever they're told to

Absolutely uncritically.

[Notafraidtoo]

3. I like this president

And I also know hes not fully to blame for this lets change this presidents mind as FDR used to say "make me do it".

[villager]

5. I'm beginning to wonder what we can really "make him do," short of a general strike?

[Notafraidtoo]

7. We can start by calling our congress critters.

To let them know the patriot act era has passed and we want our liberty back.

[villager]

9. Well, you let me know how it goes with Congress rushing to restore your Constitutional protections

I'm sure they can't wait.

[nashville_brook]

16. +1 -- a very good start. they want to stay in office, and many are also pissed about this

like Alan Grayson.

this should be quite an easy issue to organize around. there's already momentum. there's clear goals. there's plenty of folks willing to work for it. the media is interested. and history is on our side.

easy peasy.

[datasuspect]

18. fdr was an elite who went against his own social class

obama does not come from the elite social class, he was smart and got the right resume for success in this culture and he got hired in to the elite social class - he will do anything to make sure he does not become a non-elite.

who wouldn't?

[AzDar]

6. Spot-on. Hope the hypocrites have warmed-up adequately or they're gonna pull a hammy

from all the goddamned contortions they're attempting trying to justify this unconstitutional bullshit.

[pacalo]

2. Yes, think "Bush/Cheney" & the loonies they spawned.

I don't fear a obama administration spying on us, I fear a future radical republican president spying on us who will not listen to our objections of his powers, nows the time to end this before it goes to far.

[temporary311]

4. This is exactly my issue with this whole thing.

I'm not overly concerned with President Obama here. I am overly concerned with President Jeb Bush. Or President Chris Christie. Or (if Zeus is feeling particularly cruel) President Rick Santorum. Not to mention their sure to be whackadoodle VPs should something terrible happen.

[warrant46]

12. Like the Palin Syndrome

[TreasonousBastard]

8. I don't think you were here when the PATRIOT Act was signed, but...

that's neither here nor there since this just adds to the thousands of posts adding to the sound and fury signifying nothing.

I don't fear any of them, at least not for this kind of crap. I lived through COINTELPRO and was accused of un-American behavior shortly before I received a clearance while in the Signal Corps.

It all ends up being a cruel joke, but it keeps people employed.

[Notafraidtoo]

10. I have lurked here for years

Ever since bush JR's selection i just don't post often, but i read everyday took some time off when politics got to me and forgot my original accounts password so thats why i have this newer account. Just remember power concedes nothing if you think they wont go further to "protect us" in the future you haven't been paying attention to the whole of human history.

Well meaning security freaks will continue to ask for more power to save us,if we never say no then one day we wake up with no liberty. I know it sounds all hyperbolic and it never starts out as nefarious. it just ends up being nefarious by circumstance its rarely ever intentional even though foresight makes it seem that way.

[pam4water]

11. K&R Except he is not a good president. And if you ears are bring Obama stop eavesdropping.

[George Gently]

13. The fact is that it was signed. It is the law.

How can sane people advocate for one law for Republicans and a different law for Democrats?

[baldguy]

14. How can sane people whine about minor symptoms that might cause a little discomfort for some

But ignore the disease that's killing them?

[ReRe]

15. Yip, the War on Terror...

K&R

... is another War that needs to go. Close Gitmo, repeal the Patriot Act and all the other strong arm tactics and laws I can't pull out of my head at the moment. Stop spying on the American people without an effing warrant. We're not ALL a bunch of criminals. If Congress and the MIC wants to snoop on someone, start in DC. That's where you'll find a bunch of corrupt criminal effing traitors. Investigate your effing selves! There's enough of yuz, you could stay busy till the end of effing time. This country needs to take a sharp left turn real quick and get back to the basics of our Constitution and Bill of Rights. Damn right. "Constitutional Fundamentalism" forever. (Someone actually used that term the other day to criticize anyone who is devoted to the Constitution!) Facepalm and rant off.

[bvar22]

17. With the Obama Administrations Track Record for persecuting

.....Whistle Blowers, Pot Smokers, and peaceful OWS protesters,
I DO fear the Obama administration spying on us,
or ANY other future administration.