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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSyria: Lots of stuff, suddenly
1. Dozens of Syrian Officers Have Reportedly Defected to Turkey
2. U.S. to keep missiles, jets in Jordan amid Syria crisis: http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/2013/Jun-15/220528-pentagon-us-agrees-to-keep-f-16-jets-patriot-missiles-in-jordan-after-joint-exercises-end.ashx#ixzz2WJ7icGf6
3. Saudi King Abdullah cuts holiday short due to events in the region: http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2013/06/15/Saudi-King-cuts-holiday-due-to-developments-in-the-region-.html
4. Less reliable: posting that 30 troops, including Republican Guard, defected near Damascus. :https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=675080489185757&l=50426edf1d&refsrc=http%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FBc2LfUMlVK&_rdr
Rats fleeing a sinking ship? Defections seem to have suddenly jumped. The top story there says the ones that just happened would have been planned weeks ago, as those guys took their families, but then again, the US decision to arm the Syrian rebels was, according to some sources, also taken weeks ago.
King Abdullah cutting short his vacation is interesting. Anyway, lots of action. Things could be coming to a boil quickly.
karynnj
(59,503 posts)I wonder if the US even really intends to actually supply the weapons. They have yet to actually supply some non military stuff that was announced in April. These things all - in and of themselves - change the balance of power against Assad. The best possibility is that they will be enough to allow Obama and Putin to schedule the peace talks that Kerry/Lavrov negotiated.
This may be the most optimistic outlook possible, but Ben Rhodes has repeatedly spoken of the preferred solution being a political solution. I found this Indian article with many quotes from the State Department that seemed to suggest that they are still working to make this happen. http://zeenews.india.com/news/world/john-kerry-calls-lavrov-to-brief-on-syria_855129.html
I wonder if there could even be a possible gain from the election in Iran. One stumbling block has been that Russia wants Iran included. The fact that the "moderate" won, might give cover to the US allowing Iran to participate and to maybe walking that relationship back from the edge of the cliff. It could in fact change the entire situation - maybe even letting the US back down from Assad being forced out - possibly just requiring the moderates get some positions and some changes and the agreement that Assad will not run in 2014. This could leave the extremists out in the cold - against the US and allies, the Russians and allies and the Syrian government.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)rec
roamer65
(36,745 posts)There maybe some momentary pauses, but the Middle East map is going to get re-arranged through conflict. This is a direct result of Bu$h removing Saddam from Iraq. The instability it caused has now spread through the whole ME.
Where did the Shia Sunni conflict first start? In post-invasion Iraq.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)I mean we have video of Saddam getting hanged but no pictures of the what they are claiming happened? I'm not a believer! This is bullshit extraordinaries.
okaawhatever
(9,461 posts)probably had a good idea of who would win. Since it's a moderate reformer, it may be that Obama feels there's less of a possibility of Iranian retaliatory attack.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)The rebels are taking a beating and have very little support, especially after executing a 14 year old boy over a cup of coffee, and now the powers that stirred it all up have to step out from the shadows to save them again. It's Libya rinse lather repeat but this time it's going to be much bloodier.
Britain's been planning this thing for over 2 years and the PNAC plans, to destabilize and knock out Syria to get to Iran, date much further than that.
Unfortunately this is in French
06/13/2013
Former French Foreign Minister Roland Dumas said that Britain had been preparing gunmen to invade Syria two years before the crisis there flared up in 2011.
During a TV show, Dumas said I was in Britain two years ago, and I met British officials, some my friends they admitted that they were up to something in Syria.
They even asked me to join them in my capacity as a foreign minister, but I declined, he added.
He indicated that the plan of striking Syria had been prepared in advance long before the 2011 events, adding that the goal was to overthrow the Syrian government that considers Israel an enemy.
The TV show was dedicated to discussing the war in Syria.
http://leaksource.wordpress.com/2013/06/14/britain-prepared-for-war-in-syria-2-years-before-crisis-flared-up-frances-former-fm-roland-dumas-says/
Benton D Struckcheon
(2,347 posts)firstly, and secondly, the last official action between them and us was an act of war: their occupation of the US embassy. Embassy grounds are technically the territory of the country to which the embassy belongs. Unlike Benghazi, where the gov't condemned the attack, Iran's gov't endorsed the attack and held the embassy staff hostage.
There is no way Obama would allow Iran to participate in any talks on Syria. You can forget that ever happening. Reagan may have shipped arms to Iran, and Bush may have helped them by toppling Saddam, but no Democrat would ever be allowed anywhere near such an act of deliberate treason in the former, and extraordinary stupidity in the latter, cuz, you know, Democrats aren't all patriotic and stuff.
moondust
(19,979 posts)Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)Benton D Struckcheon
(2,347 posts)They have a few of course, but not sure they're all that important. Syria in itself is not a major oil producer.
Benton D Struckcheon
(2,347 posts)This could get very interesting indeed.
Benton D Struckcheon
(2,347 posts)Town had been rebel held throughout. Perps were the Free Syrian Army, or, the rebels themselves. The town was mostly Shia, though.
Clear case of sectarian violence.
http://rt.com/politics/moscow-syria-supplies-massacre-714/