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The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
Sat Jun 15, 2013, 06:15 PM Jun 2013

Parents launch petition to bring back Father’s Day cards; school replaces holiday with ‘Family Day'

Michelle Allaby spent Thursday night carrying a stack of paper door-to-door in her Dartmouth, N.S., neighbourhood. She and two other mothers have amassed more than 350 signatures in protest of what they call “political correctness to the extreme.”

Less than a month before Father’s Day, the women are trying to reverse a year-old decision at Astral Drive Elementary School that has kept students from making a card or craft for the holiday.

The school replaced both Mother’s Day and Father’s Day with a “Family Day” in an attempt to avoid isolating children whose families don’t adhere to the traditional mother-father model.

Rather than making crafts for those holidays, students at the elementary school honour a parental figure of their choosing on a designated day, usually in the middle of May.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/05/23/parents-launch-petition-to-bring-back-fathers-day-cards-after-elementary-school-replaces-holiday-with-family-day/

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Parents launch petition to bring back Father’s Day cards; school replaces holiday with ‘Family Day' (Original Post) The Straight Story Jun 2013 OP
“Why don’t we teach people how to deal..." handmade34 Jun 2013 #1
what about kids who have no family? nt msongs Jun 2013 #2
Astral Drive Elementary? No wonder it's a little unworldly. Shrike47 Jun 2013 #3
Inclusion is not political correctness. nyquil_man Jun 2013 #4
So what about orphans? MrSlayer Jun 2013 #5
Good point Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2013 #8
my word, some (well, most, actually) of the comments are hateful and ugly. sounds like niyad Jun 2013 #6
Ridiculous. Political correctness gone mad. (nt) Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #7
Idiocy. n/t Skip Intro Jun 2013 #9
Why the fuck is any school responsible for either of those days? LWolf Jun 2013 #10
Because schools are still embedded in a society's culture. Igel Jun 2013 #11
I know what schools do. LWolf Jun 2013 #13
I like the more recently observed St. Pat's traditions... backscatter712 Jun 2013 #16
I don't need St. Pat's for that, lol. LWolf Jun 2013 #18
What elementary school is still in session by Father's Day? Nine Jun 2013 #12
I can only speak for Fairfax County, VA, and the answer would be "all of them". 11 Bravo Jun 2013 #17
How about neither? As in the school does not promote their lifestyle choice. RB TexLa Jun 2013 #14
Both Mother's Day and Father's Day are ridiculous Hallmark holidays. n/t backscatter712 Jun 2013 #15
Heck yeah! Screw anyone who wants to say, Thanks Mom or thanks Dad. FSogol Jun 2013 #19

handmade34

(22,756 posts)
1. “Why don’t we teach people how to deal..."
Sat Jun 15, 2013, 06:42 PM
Jun 2013

...obviously Michelle Allaby has never experienced the pain of an absent Father or abusive Mother and has no empathy for others...

I do dislike her kind...

 

MrSlayer

(22,143 posts)
5. So what about orphans?
Sat Jun 15, 2013, 07:39 PM
Jun 2013


How dare they have family day when there are people without families?

I have to agree, this is PC run amok.

niyad

(113,284 posts)
6. my word, some (well, most, actually) of the comments are hateful and ugly. sounds like
Sat Jun 15, 2013, 07:42 PM
Jun 2013

our neighbor to the north has just as many homophobic, clueless cretins as this country does. that is depressing.

Igel

(35,300 posts)
11. Because schools are still embedded in a society's culture.
Sat Jun 15, 2013, 09:04 PM
Jun 2013

And because values and character education has, in many cases, fallen to the schools to teach.

They do MLK Day activities. They do President Day activities. They learn about Thanksgiving and the 4th of July. Since Mother's Day and Father's Day and St. Patrick's Day and all these other days are part of the cultural patrimony for the majority of Americans, they learn about them, as well.

Schools are there first and foremost to continue the society. That's first and foremost culture. Technology, mathematics, these have culture embedded in them but can be translated from culture to culture without too much of a hassle. Societal norms, traditions, values ... They make a country and a society. Take them out and all you get is a nicely atomistic culture that, like some others, has a puny civil society and relies on the government to organize people.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
13. I know what schools do.
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 03:35 PM
Jun 2013

I've been working in them since 1983.

And, in all that time, there has always been tension between mainstream culture and the schools' purpose: academic learning, with the rest still present, but not primary.

Public schools are supposed to be inclusive. That means open to participation by all. That often results in vicious culture wars from the mainstream, who want no accommodations for those citizens attending their schools who are NOT mainstream. I could give you pages and pages and pages of examples. I'll settle for this one:

Fifteen years ago, teaching 2nd graders, I had a parent try to get me fired when I politely said "no" to a Halloween party. 15% of the students in my class were not allowed to "celebrate" Halloween. I was expected to send them off to another room, so they wouldn't be present during the party, or tell them to stay home. I did neither, since that would be denying them the public education they had a right to. I planned to do a harvest celebration instead, which they were allowed to partake in. Inclusive, and everyone got to do something fun, out of the routine. Over the decades, I have witnessed this debate, and participated, over and over. I've yet to see any consensus. It seems to be to emotional, too embedded in identity, to allow for reason on the part of many.

She didn't get me fired, but she did start a parking lot campaign to get a whole slew of parents complaining to the principal. A headache that lasted for a year. I am grateful these days to teach at a school that simply reminds kids that their holiday celebrations start after school. We have a PTO that will organize something for holidays. Attendance is optional, and it's not taken from the school day.

MLK, Presidents' day, Thanksgiving, and 4th of July are Federal Holidays. They are holidays by law, not preference, and teaching them is part of a school's responsibility.

I agree in part with your last paragraph; it would be nice if the first and foremost purpose of public school were to build community and culture; if that were true, of course, it would present the risk of not only building, but shaping, by inclusion and exclusion, culture. That would, imo, be un-American, to say the least. The truth is that, while there is a "mainstream," there is NO single "American" culture. America is made up of many cultures which attempt to peacefully co-exist; sometimes they do so successfully, sometimes not. To favor one over the other is neither ethical nor appropriate for a public institution. Fyi, some of the most vicious social wars in our culture are not, surprisingly enough, found between middle and high school girls, but between parents. Holiday wars at school, when allowed to happen, can make Little League parent brawls look like a picnic.

The sad truth, though, is that public education as it exists today is not at all about culture. It's about test scores, it's about the destruction of public education, it's about privatization, it's about profit, and it's about creating a large pool of cheap labor and cannon fodder for the future. Those are the goals of the "society" shaping schools. Test scores. Drilling. Teaching to the test. Having been reprimanded for spending too much time on history, which time should have gone to extra drilling for the reading test, I wonder what admins would say if I used that time to throw a party instead...we get away with celebrations at the end of each term, for "academic achievement."

Values and character education? It has fallen to schools to teach because society has dropped the ball, and, following that, so have families. Values and character are the responsibility of families; when we in school have to take it on, it's sometimes because the FIRST teachers haven't done their jobs. Schools should be playing a supporting role, focused on very general values/characteristics that are inclusive, like respect/responsibility, or empathy/integrity. Families and micro-cultures can then extend those to specifics like Mother's Day, Father's Day, St. Pat's, etc.. Holidays aren't really values, and in some cases, are more commercial than cultural. Or our culture is subject to commercial manipulation.

St. Pat's. What a model holiday for school kids: conform to the day's dress code or be bullied in the form of pinching. Happily, we are moving away from the way my generation celebrated. While we don't do anything different in the school day, this year I got a home-made leprechaun's hat made out of a toilet paper roll and felt, filled with gold chocolate coins from a 6th grader. I wore the tiny little hat, and randomly tossed the gold "coins" during the day. We didn't detour from the regular academic schedule, we didn't "celebrate," but we enjoyed ourselves.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
16. I like the more recently observed St. Pat's traditions...
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 03:41 PM
Jun 2013

Stop caring about wearing green & such, just shut up and drink!



Pass out the Carbombs!

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
18. I don't need St. Pat's for that, lol.
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 04:10 PM
Jun 2013

Although, if I needed an excuse, some green food color, an Irish accent, and a funny hat would certainly be fun.

Nine

(1,741 posts)
12. What elementary school is still in session by Father's Day?
Sat Jun 15, 2013, 10:05 PM
Jun 2013

Maybe an equally valid reason for doing this is along the same lines as having summer birthday students pick a day during the school year to celebrate.

The "gay agenda" angle doesn't even make sense. A student with two moms or two dads isn't going to feel any kind of sting on the non-applicable day the way a child who has lost a parent would. I lost my Dad last year and I'm going to be feeling it tomorrow, and I'm no child. People opposing this are just cruel.

FSogol

(45,481 posts)
19. Heck yeah! Screw anyone who wants to say, Thanks Mom or thanks Dad.
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 04:34 PM
Jun 2013


Did I tune in in time for DU's trash every holiday?

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