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sheshe2

(83,754 posts)
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 11:18 PM Jun 2013

Do not Stand Idly By



Six months later, we have not forgotten the 26 victims of the Newtown tragedy.

Let your representatives in Congress know that you're #NotBackingDown on gun violence prevention. http://OFA.BO/F14SJK

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151635250031749&set=a.53081056748.66806.6815841748&type=1&theater



Six months ago today, 26 families were torn apart by gun violence. Our representatives in Congress still have yet to take action to protect our children and our communities.

Don't let a milestone like today pass without doing something. Pledge to make a call to Congress: http://OFA.BO/9JmSgC #NotBackingDown

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151634926926749&set=a.53081056748.66806.6815841748&type=1&theater

Call to Action! Do it Now!
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Do not Stand Idly By (Original Post) sheshe2 Jun 2013 OP
Kicked and Recommending! sheshe2 Jun 2013 #1
K & R okaawhatever Jun 2013 #2
Excellent Signage to Remind us, She! Cha Jun 2013 #3
It's Time! Past Time, Cha! sheshe2 Jun 2013 #4
This is Fathers Day. sheshe2 Jun 2013 #5
2nd post of this today, maybe a better forum here. Half-Century Man Jun 2013 #6
No one needs the guns and fire power that you are talking about. sheshe2 Jun 2013 #10
I don't know about this country.... ReRe Jun 2013 #14
Good idea, ReRe~ sheshe2 Jun 2013 #15
Then it might be a place to start. Half-Century Man Jun 2013 #22
Democratic Party stood unified in support of gun comtrol upi402 Jun 2013 #7
Almost correct... sheshe2 Jun 2013 #11
K&R ReRe Jun 2013 #8
We can start with Markey for Senate! sheshe2 Jun 2013 #9
Absolutely! ReRe Jun 2013 #13
WOW sheshe2 Jun 2013 #12
K & R malaise Jun 2013 #16
k&r HappyMe Jun 2013 #17
K & R Scurrilous Jun 2013 #18
kick HappyMe Jun 2013 #19
Snort~ sheshe2 Jun 2013 #21
This needs to be shouted from the rooftops on DU Jamaal510 Jun 2013 #20
KICK! Lady Freedom Returns Jun 2013 #23

sheshe2

(83,754 posts)
5. This is Fathers Day.
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 12:30 AM
Jun 2013
This is Newtown!

Kick it! And Sign!

Demand Change... Do it for the Children!

Do it for the Fathers!

Please!

Half-Century Man

(5,279 posts)
6. 2nd post of this today, maybe a better forum here.
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 12:59 AM
Jun 2013

Our Founding Fathers, even as progressive enlightenment thinkers, could not have foreseen the destructive capability of hand weapons 175(+) years into the future. In fact; because they were enlightenment thinkers, they would have had a predisposition to not envisioning these kinds of weapons. The enlightenment was a humanistic movement, one that thought humans would move forward into a future free of oppression and tyranny. Most enlightenment thinkers (Locke, Mills, Jefferson, Madison, etc) were a bit naive; they failed to take into account mankind's inherent flaws and/or twisted psyches. That aside; I say we accept that they expected firearms to advance in complexity and accuracy. And we interpret the second amendment as accounting for that but not accounting for the twisted direction we went instead of directly forward.

I alway thought that if we regulated magazine fed weapons just a bit differently. Like we do with automatic weapons (yes; you can own submachine guns, sawed off shotguns, dragooned pistols etc; you just need a class III Federal Firearms License ). One of the requirements for a class III license is protective storage. Do something similar for military style magazine fed weapons. That we regulate the weapons, not the owners. A grace period be established to account for all weapons (models to be determined) and any discovery of unaccounted weapons results in their confiscation.

Lets call it the "Militia Equipment Act " for now, and it would cover military styled weapons (magazine fed weapons of calibers and models determined before passage, with the reasoning laid out for a guide to future inclusions). Right to own same as now; weapon storage rules greatly enhanced. Weapons must be stored separately from magazines and ammunition, in locked containers with completely separated locking mechanisms. Weapon safes must be fastened to building framework, secured in such a way as to endanger building stability if violently removed. Magazine and ammunition storage must be fastened to floors or walls in such a way as to severely impede mobility; and fire resistant for (X) mins at (X) temps.
Access to be controlled by the owner of controlled firearms. Ownership by individual or married couples exclusively.

If adequate storage can not be accomplished in a private residence, then group armories can be established, private or municipal. In Group weapon safes, each weapon must be secured by it's owner by an exclusively controlled locking mechanism.

Weapons without detachable magazines legal status remains unchanged. Pistols with removable magazines can be subject to MEA if so determined. All stored weapons must be unloaded.

Ready Firearm exception: One loaded protection firearm maybe kept in a residence. It must be secured with a tamper resistant device but not exclusively a lock. As the chance of being attacked by criminals in platoon strength is somewhat far-fetched, weapons covered by the MEA would not be eligible as a ready firearm.



How is that for a start?

sheshe2

(83,754 posts)
10. No one needs the guns and fire power that you are talking about.
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 01:58 AM
Jun 2013

No one.

Second amendment, that is so loosely talked about, does not require people to have such fire power. Why would that be needed. It is a ridiculous and deadly idea!

The guns are not being controlled and the safe storage is a joke.

Adam Lanza had access.









IMHO

No Half-Century Man, that is not enough!

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
14. I don't know about this country....
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 04:08 AM
Jun 2013

...sheshe2. It seems the M$M has moved on. If any of them had a conscience, they would devote one full minute of time from each program to that panel of photos of those babies. No music, just silence. It's heartless that their faces aren't etched into every citizen's mind and lay heavy on the hearts of everyone. Perhaps each member of both houses of Congress need to be blessed with a photo every day.

I have a family reunion coming up and I think I will copy that photo and hand it out to each family as they are leaving. If I do it before then, they will just leave it behind. I want them to think about these babies all the way home so that on the following Monday morning they might pick up the phone or e-mail or snail mail their Congress persons. I highly recommend others do the same.

Thank you so much for the photos!

Half-Century Man

(5,279 posts)
22. Then it might be a place to start.
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 08:18 PM
Jun 2013

As passionate as you are about getting rid of them, is as passionate as the firearm owners are about keeping them. Meet in the middle now, reduce the violence now, let them get used to it, and show them the proof that the USA didn't explode. And work more control after a bit.

Play the long game.

sheshe2

(83,754 posts)
11. Almost correct...
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 02:22 AM
Jun 2013

Here are the traitors to Newtown!

"The goal was to see if we can find a way to make it a little bit more difficult for people who have no legal right to have a gun for them to obtain it," Toomey said. "That was the goal."

The Senate failed to meet it.

CORRECTION: This post originally incorrectly stated Chuck Grassley's state. He is a senator from Iowa. Patricia Maisch's first name was also misstated.

Final Vote For Manchin-Toomey Background Check Deal:



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/17/background-checks-bill_n_3103341.html



And see the reaction to Ayotte

Gun vote stirs passion at Ayotte town hall meetings


Erica Lafferty, daughter of Sandyh Hook Elementary School victim Dawn Hochsprung, attends a town hall meeting with Senator Kelly Ayotte in Warren, N.H., on Tuesday.

Erica Lafferty, who first met with the Republican senator in Washington earlier this month after she opposed the compromise negotiated by Sens. Joe Manchin, D-W.Va., and Pat Toomey, R-Pa., was visibly angry as she spoke into the microphone at the meeting, which drew more than 100 people who came to condemn or support Ayotte’s vote.
"You had mentioned that day the burden on owners of gun stores that the expanded background checks would harm. I am just wondering why the burden of my mother being gunned down in the halls of her elementary school isn't more important than that," said Lafferty, whose mother Dawn Hochsprung was gunned down by Newtown shooter Adam Lanza.

SNIP:

Ayotte is one of a handful of senators -- others include Jeff Flake, R-Ariz., Dean Heller, R-Nev., Heidi Heitkamp, D-N.D., and Max Baucus, D-Mont. -- who are facing withering criticism from both sides of the debate.
http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/30/17988465-gun-vote-stirs-passion-at-ayotte-town-hall-meetings?lite

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
8. K&R
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 01:48 AM
Jun 2013

... I'm not backing down! Thanks for the OP bringing this sad fact (4,000 deaths since Dec 14) to everyone's attention and also the links. We must elect Congressmen/Women who are not intimidated by the gun lobby and who will vote for meaningful & strong gun regulations.

sheshe2

(83,754 posts)
9. We can start with Markey for Senate!
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 01:56 AM
Jun 2013

Special election against Gomez.

For John Kerry's seat June 26th 2013!

Thanks ReRe!

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
13. Absolutely!
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 03:52 AM
Jun 2013

That photo of Markey and Warren walking in the Gay Pride Parade in Boston pops into my mind when I hear either of their names. Go Markey!!! Boston Strong!

sheshe2

(83,754 posts)
12. WOW
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 02:39 AM
Jun 2013

I just have to say...

343 views....only 24 people believe this thread about the deaths of 27 people that were senselessly shot down in Newtown were important. There were 20 five and six year old children shot to death, mutilated. Six were the children's teachers and protectors. One his Mother.

4800 more since that time.

There is nothing more that I can say.

I weep for our country and for our souls.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
20. This needs to be shouted from the rooftops on DU
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 11:54 AM
Jun 2013

on other issues, as well.

"Let your representatives in Congress know that you're #NotBackingDown on gun violence prevention."

Too many people here apparently are unaware that a President is not the person who makes or passes laws.

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