Snowden is a Traitor.

[Lady Freedom Returns]

He played it as if he was some sort of whistleblower to get out of the country. He took info with him and plan to use it to get protection and monetary gain.

He is NO HERO. He is NO Whistleblower.

He is a Traitor.

End of message.

[Lex]

1. Your opinion.

Duly noted.

[Smarmie Doofus]

2. Ohhhh...........

Kaaayyyyyy.


Moving along.......

[Tarheel_Dem]

3. Agreed.

[Warren Stupidity]

4. Ok. Please enumerate an act of treason committed by Snowden.

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

[frylock]

5. do you have inside information, other than these nuggets pulled outta your ass?

[Vanje]

12. Ass- nuggets

Betcha

[villager]

6. Yes, Senator McCarthy! Er, Mr. Cheney!, Er...

n/t

[leftstreet]

7. Are you the ballerina he jilted?

Your post makes DU look stupid

No links, no evidence, no discussion

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[Vanje]

13. +1

[BrotherIvan]

34. +2

[ohheckyeah]

8. Well, this was a waste of 15 seconds of my life. n/t

[NoPasaran]

25. Oh Boo Freaking Hoo

[neverforget]

9. Thank you Dick Cheney

[Vanje]

14. +1

[BrotherIvan]

35. +2

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. Not even the US constitution agrees with you

[Vanje]

11. So says Dick Cheney

....and I get derided here when once every two years, during a blue moon when broken clocks strike true, I agree with that nut-ball, Ron Paul.

[Whisp]

15. He sure didn't do this out of the goodness of his heart

and his love of liberty.

One change I surely would like to see very soon is punks like him can't just run off with stuff like he did.

[Vanje]

16. I honestly dont know why your so sure

so very sure, that Snowden had dishonorable motives.

I'm quite sincere.

[Whisp]

17. 'direct access'

he either doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about

or he is lieing.

[Vanje]

21. I dont understand what you mean

"Direct Access"..what?
Verb, subject and object, might communicate your meaning.

I don't know why you're sure that Snowden is incompetent, or lying.
If you have time, and hant already seen it, check this out:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/06/16/snowden-whistleblower-nsa-officials-roundtable/2428809/

The three NSA guys , in the interview, seem quite credible. Though not in full agreement with Snowdens tactics, they dont question the veracity of Snowden's assertions.

As we are probably both avid consumers of news, I wonder what you have learned, that I havnt learned , that makes you so sure that Snowden is incompetent or lying.

[Whisp]

22. he initially said that the NSA had 'direct access' to Google and all those.

That is not true.

He either is lying or doesn't know what he's talking about.

[Vanje]

23. Ah. I understand now.

He got a lot right. He brought the issue to the forefront. Shone light on the issue.
As to whether he was right about "Google and all those" , I'll wait and see what new developments come to light.
I guess I'm as skeptical about the assurances from Bureaucrats and businessmen in suits, as you are about Mr Snowden.

[Summer Hathaway]

37. According to DU folklore

the wise poster is as skeptical of the gov't as he/she is of those who make declarations that they choose not to prove (or are unable to prove).

In Snowden's case, it seems that such cautions should be thrown to the wind - and anything he says, proven or not, should be accepted at face value, and never questioned.

[Vanje]

47. I ask myself: Who has the most motivation to lie?

Corporate-backed lifetime agency men in suits who invented, and profit off of shredding constitutional protections of privacy?

Or a young man who saw some shit at work that he knew was unconstitutional?


Hmmmmmmmmmmm. Think hard.

[Jamaal510]

19. "He sure didn't do this out of the goodness of his heart and his love of liberty."

If he really is a champion of civil liberties as he claims, then where was he as GOP-controlled states tried to make it harder to vote? Why has he not joined the fight for granting basic rights to gay people and preserving the right to choose? Those should be questions directed towards all Americans who consider themselves libertarians. These people only seem to make noise about supposed liberties when it is most politically-convienent to do so, like with this and with the gun debate.

[flamingdem]

26. +1

[HangOnKids]

30. How do YOU know where he stands on gays or voting rights?

How is any of that germane to the subject at hand?

[JI7]

33. he supported Ron Paul , those libertarians have never supported many of those things

you list.

[joeglow3]

48. And why does he leave the toilet seat up after pissing

He hates women...

[Major Hogwash]

18. Totally agree with this statement.

Absolutely, totally, 100%!!

He's less than zero.

[backscatter712]

20. *PLONK*

Off you go to the ignore list with the rest of the quislings and character assassins.

When you're on Dick Cheney's side of the argument, that says everything.

[mick063]

24. Typical Republican strategy

Can't win the argument so smear the messenger.

[still_one]

27. There are plenty of Democrats who have criticized Snowden. In fact both republicans and Democrats

are pretty aligned on Snowden. It is the Independents, left, right that are split

[sibelian]

49. Indeed, but the criticism remains the same.

The political affiliation of those indulging in the misdirection is pretty much irrelevant.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

28. He is very, very, naughty and upset the establishment. Tsk, tsk.

[galileoreloaded]

29. facinating.. nt

[redgreenandblue]

31. It is sad that DU is being flooded with far-right nonsense such as this lately.

I don't recognize this site anymore.

[marions ghost]

70. Take it as an indicator

of the importance of the issue.

[Douglas Carpenter]

32. according to pro-NSA DUers - he didn't reveal ANYTHING that EVERYBODY didn't already know!

And all of this stuff that he and Greenwald have been saying is just old news. If they are right - then Snowden didn't do ANYTHING wrong - other than be a bore.

[Vanje]

53. "he didn't reveal ANYTHING that EVERYBODY didn't already know!".....

....but needs hanging as a traitor, anyway.

This place can be crazy town sometimes.

[whatchamacallit]

36. Lady Freedom Fries Returns

[cali]

38. wow. deep. thoughtful.

added sooo much to the debate.

[ucrdem]

39. Heck yes he's a traitor

in spirit if not in letter. Aiding and abetting international rivals like China, even if they aren't technically enemies, is treachery, and it stinks.

[sibelian]

45. So what;s the different between a "spirit" traitor and a "letter" traitor?

Is it something that they do or are they just whatever you say they are?

[Kahuna]

40. He's a Paul-Bot. That's all you need to know about his world view. nt

[allin99]

52. ACLU is a bunch of paulbots as well i assume...

cuz they are very glad that he leaked the info and they too are going after the admin. Damn those crazy paulbots.

[Kahuna]

58. The ACLU are spinning their wheels. They will get nowhere with this. nt

[allin99]

59. nowhere did i mention their chance of success...they didn't win...

against bush either fwiw.

[Kahuna]

60. LOL! Well then. What was the point of posting that?..

Was I suppose to shake in my boots at the mere mention?

[allin99]

62. huh? are you reading dif. msgs? what was...

supposed to make you shake in your boots? the aclu is suing after snowden's reveal, are they paul bots too.

[Puzzledtraveller]

64. They are all in the same room, they get confused some times.

I wonder what PR firm they work for?

[allin99]

66. are you being sarcastic?

[Puzzledtraveller]

67. Never

[allin99]

68. Phew! there's only so much bizarre i can handle.

[boilerbabe]

41. of course you think he is a traitor. all the Obama defenders do. you are all so predictable.

[bemildred]

42. Boy, there sure are getting to be more and more "not hero" traitors lately. nt

[sibelian]

43. Et tu, Brute?

[HipChick]

44. he's a loser traitor at that too..

[Logical]

46. Post number 5,467 saying the exact same thing! Congrats! n-t

[allin99]

50. Were it not for snowden's leak...

would this have been the case?

http://www.markudall.senate.gov/?p=press_release&id=3507

The answer is no.

pick an agenda please. continue to go after snowden or go after the gov't mining after your data.

[Vanje]

55. Udall and Wyden : Heros! and REAL LIVE DEmocrats!

http://www.markudall.senate.gov/?p=press_release&id=3507

[former9thward]

51. Says you, Cheney and Bohner.

What a threesome!

[bowens43]

54. yes we've seen this silly spin before........

[sgtbenobo]

56. I'm sure that when you wrote this post....

.... you couldn't decide whether you should be vapid, or superficial. I for one am amazed that you have managed to portray both qualities with such vigor.

Bravo Madam well played indeed.

Carry on.

[HangOnKids]

63. Holy Shit That Is Perfect!

[Octafish]

57. Since when is revealing Government Corruption treason?

The Constitution still means something, right?

[allin99]

61. to many, obama trumps the constition. it's actually...

making my skin crawl a little. and for what? cuz he's cool? i'm hoping someone can explain to me what it is about him that makes people turn their back on issues i'm sure in the past they had a different stance on. b/c we all know if GW (and on this board i'm sure if it were under clinton), none of this nonsense would happen, they'd be wearing snowden t-shirts and frothing at the mouth about extended surveillance. So what is going on here?

[Apophis]

65. I didn't know Michele Bachmann posted here.

[closeupready]

69. I disagree.

[cpwm17]

71. Snowden was not a politician that is violating the privacy of American citizens

So how can he be a traitor? He is one of us. We are the victims.

Snowden exposed their criminality. We are being scammed. Not everybody's falling for it.

[Mojorabbit]

72. No, no he is not. At least not yet. nt