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JW2020

(169 posts)
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 08:36 AM Jun 2013

Sports: Just a distraction from things that matter?

http://coolrevolution.net/2013/02/03/sports-just-a-distraction-from-things-that-matter/

Now there are other media too whose basic social role is quite different: it’s diversion. There’s the real mass media–the kinds that are aimed at, you know, Joe Six Pack–that kind. The purpose of those media is just to dull people’s brains.

This is an oversimplification, but for the eighty percent or whatever they are, the main thing is to divert them. To get them to watch National Football League…. Just get them away. Get them away from things that matter. And for that, it’s important to reduce their capacity to think.

Take, say, sports–that’s another crucial example of the indoctrination system, in my view. For one thing because it–you know, it offers people something to pay attention to that’s of no importance. That keeps them from worrying about things that matter to their lives that they might have some idea of doing something about. And in fact it’s striking to see the intelligence that’s used by ordinary people in [discussions of] sports. I mean, you listen to radio stations where people call in–they have the most exotic information and understanding about all kind of arcane issues. And the press undoubtedly does a lot with this.

You know, I remember in high school, already I was pretty old. I suddenly asked myself at one point, why do I care if my high school team wins the football game? I mean, I don’t know anybody on the team, you know? I mean, they have nothing to do with me, I mean, why I am cheering for my team? It doesn’t mean any–it doesn’t make sense. But the point is, it does make sense: it’s a way of building up irrational attitudes of submission to authority, and group cohesion behind leadership elements–in fact, it’s training in irrational jingoism. That’s also a feature of competitive sports. I think if you look closely at these things, I think, typically, they do have functions, and that’s why energy is devoted to supporting them and creating a basis for them and advertisers are willing to pay for them and so on.

- Noam Chomsky
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Sports: Just a distraction from things that matter? (Original Post) JW2020 Jun 2013 OP
Sports; where we celebrate mans accomplishments first. ileus Jun 2013 #1
Okay then. HappyMe Jun 2013 #2
One should think Chomsky is smart enough not to invent a false dichotomy fallacy to make a point Major Nikon Jun 2013 #13
Sports - soap opera for men...and some percentage of women. Oh the drama! canoeist52 Jun 2013 #3
Politics is a big soap opera much of the time. HappyMe Jun 2013 #6
Passion, emotion, excitement, grace, beauty, competition with something resembling an honest result BeyondGeography Jun 2013 #4
You think professional sports is honest? JW2020 Jun 2013 #9
I think professional sports is a fraction of what sports is all about BeyondGeography Jun 2013 #11
Few things in life are completely honest. HappyMe Jun 2013 #31
Nice post, JWnumbers. Didn't know you were a Chomsky fan. We'll make a socialist of you yet! Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #5
It sure feels that way when I see people rioting LuvNewcastle Jun 2013 #7
People have control over themselves treestar Jun 2013 #8
That, and confusing celebrity sitings with news. no_hypocrisy Jun 2013 #10
Awww now here comes the always picked last crowd.... trumad Jun 2013 #12
I mean, I think pintobean Jun 2013 #14
Is Chomsky under the bus? JW2020 Jun 2013 #15
Are sports fans under the bus pintobean Jun 2013 #16
I think that sports fans are somatized. JW2020 Jun 2013 #17
Oh, like politics you mean? flvegan Jun 2013 #19
True. But more people follow sports than politics. JW2020 Jun 2013 #21
Your point? flvegan Jun 2013 #25
What a shame. pintobean Jun 2013 #20
I can tell you are heartbroken. JW2020 Jun 2013 #22
Not always pintobean Jun 2013 #26
Yes, because people should be concentrating Seeking Serenity Jun 2013 #18
Not that there's much anyone can do about domestic or world politics either The2ndWheel Jun 2013 #28
Trying to be as unsnide as possible... Chan790 Jun 2013 #23
sports are not a matter of life and death, they are more important than that loli phabay Jun 2013 #24
Watching sports is no dumber than watching American Idol or watching Mad Men..... Logical Jun 2013 #27
When Lover Boy and I were dating I got to enjoy football because it's a thing in their family Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2013 #29
Dear Mr. Chomsky, Major Nikon Jun 2013 #30
He's prolly a Jets fan. They are a dour bunch. n/t Inkfreak Jun 2013 #38
Knitting: Just a distraction from things that matter? RB TexLa Jun 2013 #32
Time wasters!!1 HappyMe Jun 2013 #37
Is this another Hooters thread? WinkyDink Jun 2013 #33
What's the name of the new Kardashian kid? Iggo Jun 2013 #34
@#$% Chomsky! Scurrilous Jun 2013 #35
Chomsky sounds like me on this subject olddots Jun 2013 #36
Watch AP run downfield and tell me it's not a thing of beauty. Inkfreak Jun 2013 #39

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
13. One should think Chomsky is smart enough not to invent a false dichotomy fallacy to make a point
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 09:20 AM
Jun 2013

Evidently not.

BeyondGeography

(39,384 posts)
4. Passion, emotion, excitement, grace, beauty, competition with something resembling an honest result
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 08:52 AM
Jun 2013

Those things matter.

Another swing and a miss by Chomsky.

BeyondGeography

(39,384 posts)
11. I think professional sports is a fraction of what sports is all about
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 09:14 AM
Jun 2013

There's so much you don't know.

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Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
5. Nice post, JWnumbers. Didn't know you were a Chomsky fan. We'll make a socialist of you yet!
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 08:53 AM
Jun 2013

Of course, watching the video gives a perspective far beyond the just the text.

LuvNewcastle

(16,858 posts)
7. It sure feels that way when I see people rioting
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 08:59 AM
Jun 2013

after a sports event. I wish they cared so much about what's going on politically, the things that actually affect their daily lives.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
8. People have control over themselves
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 09:03 AM
Jun 2013

They could attend to "things that matter" if they chose to. If others can distract us, it's because we let them. If we are such victims of these people that we let them distract us, what it to be done about it? This thinking encourages hopelessness.

 

trumad

(41,692 posts)
12. Awww now here comes the always picked last crowd....
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 09:19 AM
Jun 2013

Chip on their shoulders ever since.

Guess what---I got laid last night and it distracted the shit out of me for about 30 seconds.

 

JW2020

(169 posts)
15. Is Chomsky under the bus?
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 09:34 AM
Jun 2013

That's a sport right there. Stuffing lefty personalities who stray from talking points under buses!

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
16. Are sports fans under the bus
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 09:40 AM
Jun 2013

just because Chomsky doesn't care for them? Insulting so many millions of people is just dumb.

 

JW2020

(169 posts)
17. I think that sports fans are somatized.
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 09:43 AM
Jun 2013

It's corporate propaganda and distraction rolled up into one big money ball.

 

JW2020

(169 posts)
22. I can tell you are heartbroken.
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 09:49 AM
Jun 2013

Nothing phases you, does it? Always quick with a flippant response.

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
26. Not always
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 09:57 AM
Jun 2013

just when I think it's warranted. Two weeks in and you think you've got me pegged - a period in which I haven't posted much. Been here before, or just lurked for years?

Seeking Serenity

(2,840 posts)
18. Yes, because people should be concentrating
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 09:45 AM
Jun 2013

on domestic and world politics, 24/7/365. And any distraction from that is indicative that one just a selfish, unfeeling bourgeois who clearly doesn't care.

The2ndWheel

(7,947 posts)
28. Not that there's much anyone can do about domestic or world politics either
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 10:00 AM
Jun 2013

You're not going to meet most, if anyone, associated with domestic or world politics in your life. If that's the standard for caring.

The biggest distraction people have are probably jobs in general. You have to do that every day, during your most productive time of the day.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
23. Trying to be as unsnide as possible...
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 09:49 AM
Jun 2013

but , "duh!" It's not even new. "panem et circenses" (bread and circuses)

Already long ago, from when we sold our vote to no man, the People have abdicated our duties; for the People who once upon a time handed out military command, high civil office, legions — everything, now restrains itself and anxiously hopes for just two things: bread and circuses
-Juvenal, Satire X, around 100AD


No "bread" even, per-say, since they stopped giving us government cheese.
 

loli phabay

(5,580 posts)
24. sports are not a matter of life and death, they are more important than that
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 09:51 AM
Jun 2013

First thing i always look at when i come online is my teams website, then the team gossip, then the rivals page. Sports are a big thing with a lot and i mean a lot of people. Same as music is for some or even certain tv shows. I love how some people think that their priorities should be everyone elses and if its not then everyone else is an idiot or brainwashed.

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
27. Watching sports is no dumber than watching American Idol or watching Mad Men.....
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 09:59 AM
Jun 2013

it is entertainment.

Playing sports is enjoyable.

But maybe people putting sports figures or actors on a pedestal is the issue.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
29. When Lover Boy and I were dating I got to enjoy football because it's a thing in their family
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 10:08 AM
Jun 2013

and their enthusiasm is contagious. I don't have a team. I can cheer well-executed plays from both teams in the same game.

That being said I have to take exception to the notion that it is "another crucial example of the indoctrination system." Oh really? And what should we do? Rigorously instruct our children to set aside their naturally occurring competitive impulses? (HINT: that's another way of saying "indoctrinate.&quot Sports didn't evolve in a vacuum Mr. Chomsky.

The Olympics were born from warriors testing their warrior skills in a venue that wasn't war. If the need for contest can be satisfied without resorting to bloodshed in fair, measured competition then Mr. Chomsky should be supporting, not grousing.

And if you complain about the competitive impulses of Man then you complain about Man.

And Woman too.

Here, after millennium of exclusion women finally get to compete on their own terms because they want to. They want to test themselves. They want to push their limits. They want to excel to ever-higher peaks -- and we're told they're just feeding the distraction from more important things. Society came to terms with women athletes and because of women athletes society realizes how much more women have to contribute in fields of practical science, government and social welfare.

(ASIDE -- We were watching the women's beach volleyball and I asked Lover Boy which sport his male sexist urges made him appreciate more: beach volleyball or gymnastics. He replied: curling, because it was good to see a woman with a broom in her hand for a change. So, I slugged him.)

What are we to do, Mr. Chomsky. Sit in sackcloth and ashes until the world is perfect? None of us has that kind of time. These aren't distractions, these are respites. We don't live to toil, we toil that we may live. We are to love and dance and share laughs and -- yes -- even try for the occasional 4th and goal.

Yes, there are those that take things too far. Such is the case with everything. But the incessant drunkard is not sufficient cause to impose a tee-totaling morality on the occasional reveler.

 

RB TexLa

(17,003 posts)
32. Knitting: Just a distraction from things that matter?
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 11:01 AM
Jun 2013

Opera: Just a distraction from things that matter?

Movies: Just a distraction from things that matter?

Amusement parks: Just a distraction from things that matter?

Gardening: Just a distraction from things that matter?

Jogging: Just a distraction from things that matter?

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
37. Time wasters!!1
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 11:16 AM
Jun 2013

We must all stomp around with sour expressions, ready to attack fun at every turn!






 

olddots

(10,237 posts)
36. Chomsky sounds like me on this subject
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 11:12 AM
Jun 2013

I do watch and participate in sports but his point comes from critically thinking about what role sports play in life.

Inkfreak

(1,695 posts)
39. Watch AP run downfield and tell me it's not a thing of beauty.
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 11:35 AM
Jun 2013

Never mind the amazing talent shown by some 1st & 2nd year QBs last season. And fucking Megatron!!!! Whateva duuuuude.

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