UP AGAINST THE WALL, MOTHERFUCKERS!!! You... and you... and you... aw, hell... ALL OF YOU!!!!!

[MiddleFingerMom]

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[Generic Other]

1. A federal crime to call you a freeper?

OMG.

[MiddleFingerMom]

15. Good thing it's not, eh?

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[bunnies]

2. Not the graphic I was expecting.

[MiddleFingerMom]

4. Watch for my NEXT post!!!

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[bunnies]

7. lol.

As long as it doesnt involve that licky clam over in the lounge.

[madinmaryland]

9. Fortunately, MFM does not post this over in the lounge...

[bunnies]

10. omg! lmao!

ok, OK! Ill take the clam!

[nadinbrzezinski]

11. My eyes, my eyes!!!!

[pinboy3niner]

12. Well, he really fooled me with his 'Moons Over My Hammy' post

I thought it was gonna be about Denny's...

[flamingdem]

13. Is this our average DU member?

woo, hoo

[MiddleFingerMom]

16. That ain't NUTHIN'!!! Back in the day, G. Gordon Liddy held me captive without legal precedents...

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[ismnotwasm]

26. Oh, get out of there..

My goodness.

[rug]

20. What do you have against clams?

[bunnies]

22. lmao.

Im gonna have nightmares now. Thanks, rug.

[Nay]

30. Oh, holy shit. I'm not going to ever be able to get that out of my mind.

[ismnotwasm]

3. All I can think of is David Peel

And I can't find a youtube link dammit

[pinboy3niner]

6. Here ya go...

[ismnotwasm]

14. I didn't think that was the one!

I have the one on "Have a Marijuana"

Still cool with a little reggae tossed in, thanks

[WillyT]

5. K & R !!!

[johnp3907]

8. We're all outlaws in the eyes of America.

Obscene lawless hideous dangerous dirty violent........

[jsr]

17. Most excellent

[malaise]

18. K & R

Shakes head!

[L0oniX]

19. Hmmm ...Didn't The Fugs do that song?

I remember them doing "River of Shit' and "I Get Horny" and "Johnny Piss Off".

Oh it was David Peel ...was no politician and he tells only what he wants to and decorum be damned. Hell, there’s even a song called “Up Against The Wall” and wouldn’t you know it -- the entire lyrics are: “Up against the wall / Motherfuckers!!! / Up against the wall / Motherfuckers!!!” Well, there’s also a coupla “La, la, la, la, la, la”s thrown in to flesh it out, as well as ending on a jaunty “Cha-cha-cha!”

[rug]

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[ismnotwasm]

24. David Peel

Is a master lyricist


Lyrics to The Pope Smokes Dope :
Chorus:
The pope smokes dope, God gave him the grass
The pope smokes dope, he likes to smoke in mass
The pope smokes dope, he's a groovy head
The pope smokes dope, the pope smokes dope
(oh yeah! 3x)
God is high on mescaline, Satan's high on smack
Popes in Rome get stoned on grass, Jesus freaks are back
Jesus Christ a super-hippie never shoot up junk
Popes in Rome get stoned alone, priests, in church get drunk
(Chorus)
Now Jack 'n' Jill went up the hill, to fetch a pail of water
Jill forgot to take her pill, now she's got a daughter
Taking pills is not a joke for a groovy Pope
Birth control can be a toke of marijuana smoke
(Chorus)
The pope is getting higher (re: higher! higher! - 4x)
(Chorus)
Cha! Cha! Cha!

[Generic Other]

32. Off-topic on the Fugs

I made a version of "River of Shit," posted on Youtube called "BP's Wide Wide River" and got a response from Tuli (actually his long-time companion) the day before he died. I got mentioned in several of the obits. One in "High Times" Magazine. One on Country Joe McDonald's website. Crazy, huh?

I was told the Fugs even heard and liked my video. Is this a compliment or what?

In case you want to torture yourself:

[L0oniX]

33. "I just got to keep swimming in the shit"

[Generic Other]

34. I suppose I am on other people's lists too

and now you are for looking. LOL.

[L0oniX]

35. Is that a shit list?

[Generic Other]

36. I must be on a bunch of DUers' shit lists

They tell me what an asshole I am so often. Oh well.

[90-percent]

23. My guess about all this

The minions running our TOTAL INFORMATION AWARENESS surveillance state must have been rabid Zappa fans in the early eighties, as this policy is consistent with the premise of Joe's Garage, Acts 1, 2 and 3.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/101745079#post3

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1017&pid=45458

In light of recent national security on 98% nitro, the OP, a Thom Hartmann piece, is worth re-watching. Which I'm off to do right now.

-90% Jimmy

[pacalo]

25. K&R!

[daleanime]

27. Definitely me....

I'm printing copies.







If I'm never heard from again you know w

[Ms. Toad]

28. As to the middle example -

Breach of contract (a private action), but not likely a federal crime. And then only if there was an action required to create the contract - like one or more clicks to agree on entering the site. The courts actually do frown on passive entrapment into contracts.

[JoeyT]

31. They were trying to make it so

after Lori Drew's conviction was overturned. I don't remember hearing anything about it after that, though.

I'd be surprised if there weren't something in some of the anti-piracy laws that would make it possible to prosecute someone for using ad blocking software if you stretched it far enough.

[Ms. Toad]

37. Antipiracy laws are different from breaching the TOS.

TOS on a website are really just a contract. If you don't comply, the owner can haul you into court in a civil case - and the owner would need to establish that the contract entered into by the website visitor (and it takes more than most website owners do in order to create a binding contract). DU does with respect to its members, but not with respect to visitors - for example. Members have to accept certain terms in order to use the website. Visitors, on the other hand, have to go hunt for the TOS and never actively agree to abide by them. Generally that is enough to keep courts from finding a contract exists.Adblocking is more of an ethical issue, or a TOS issue, than one of piracy. If the TOS prohibits members from using adblocking software, the owner could boot them from the site.

There is an ethical debate about the relationship between ads and content on places like Spotify - for example - where Spotify pays the content owners a royalty for their works which they can legally share with their members, and expects to earn enough money from the ads to pay those royalties. Some people believe the price for the "free" music is to view the ads, and that it is unethical to listen to the music while blocking the ads that pay for it. (And - of course if the Spotify TOS prohibit ad blocking, because the owners have guaranteed their advertisers so many views, they can kick you off the service if you are using adblocking software.)

There are things you can do on a website which might be crimes (none of which have anything to do with the TOS)

• copying and selling someone's work (images or text, for example) of a certain value can fall under the criminal copyright infringement provisions (but that has nothing to do with TOS).
  
• accessing copyright protected content via a website designed to circumvent protective measures taken by the owner (this area of law is not settled yet)
  
• Intentionally damaging someone else's computer via the internet or using access to the computer to commit fraud or extortion (this is the law Lori Drew was charged under - with the conviction vacated for essentially the reasons I noted above - TOS is a contract, and a breach of contract isn't criminal). The later attempts to criminalize behavior like hers had to do with criminalizing cyberbullying, not with making a violation of TOS a criminal offense. In other words, violating TOS still wouldn't be a criminal offense - but cyberbullying might be.

[davidn3600]

29. Who says you need to commit a crime to go to jail?

Look at how many people have been released from prison and even death row because years later it was discovered they were actually innocent.

The system is set up so that you will give in to a plea deal instead of demanding a trial. They will threaten you with extremely harsh sentences if you continue to maintain innocence.