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pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 07:33 PM Jun 2013

Snowden says he will hand documents over to the foreign press of whatever country is involved,

for them to decide whether the documents should be published or not, without regard to US interests.

Is he now trying to get charged with treason?

http://americablog.com/2013/06/snowden-plans-more-leaks-about-us-spying-abroad-will-let-local-press-decide-whether-to-publish.html

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“If I have time to go through this information, I would like to make it available to journalists in each country to make their own assessment, independent of my bias, as to whether or not the knowledge of US network operations against their people should be published.”

Note that Snowden is now admitting a few things. First, that that he plans on releasing the details of US intelligence efforts against far more countries. Who’s next? Exposing US efforts against Iran, against Cuba, against North Korea? Against Syria?

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After he sorts through the documents, Edward Snowden says he will let journalists in those countries decide whether it’s safe and appropriate to print the classified documents he took from American intelligence, and whether the information he’s released poses a danger to our country. He wouldn’t want to let his “bias” as a former NSA employee, someone who actually understands the damage these documents can pose to American lives, interfere with the determination of the damage these documents might pose to American lives. He’d rather let non-experts, foreign experts, decide if information they don’t fully understand puts American lives at risk.

Does Edward Snowden really think the press in any foreign country is going to show a lack of “bias,” as he puts it, as to whether the classified information in their hands is damaging to the United States’ national security, or that it will put American or other lives at risk? Who is the Chinese press going to side with? How about the Russian media? How about Iran? Or North Korea? Or Syria?

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Snowden says he will hand documents over to the foreign press of whatever country is involved, (Original Post) pnwmom Jun 2013 OP
Good. dipsydoodle Jun 2013 #1
Leeeet the sun shine... Arctic Dave Jun 2013 #2
Damn right!!!! Nt newfie11 Jun 2013 #4
It became treason when krawhitham Jun 2013 #3
I think that pretty much fits the definition Hekate Jun 2013 #5
BINGO!!! nt kelliekat44 Jun 2013 #6
I wonder how naive Snowden really is about how the government works? Putting together... Hekate Jun 2013 #7
Something I've thought about him, that would actually mitigate his responsibility in my mind, pnwmom Jun 2013 #8
Yes, he may be on the spectrum siligut Jun 2013 #12
Yes -- naiveté is one of the features, and does seem characteristic of him. n/t pnwmom Jun 2013 #13
I've been thinking the same thing... Blue_Roses Jun 2013 #20
Right. And some of the ways he's described could just be describing pnwmom Jun 2013 #21
China already has the contents of his hard drive HipChick Jun 2013 #9
But he probably has multiple copies on thumb drives. pnwmom Jun 2013 #10
How anybody can be defending him - treestar Jun 2013 #11
Because we are against the spying siligut Jun 2013 #14
We need to distinguish between spying on foreign countries pnwmom Jun 2013 #15
Right, the big deal is that US citizens are being spied on by the NSA siligut Jun 2013 #16
Using the term that we are all being "spied on" treestar Jun 2013 #17
Meh...you think the citizens of our friends and allies like being spied on in our dragnet? TheKentuckian Jun 2013 #19
Bless his pointy little head, he's a brilliant computer nerd, a dogmatic libertarian, and a nitwit struggle4progress Jun 2013 #18

Hekate

(90,674 posts)
7. I wonder how naive Snowden really is about how the government works? Putting together...
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 11:09 PM
Jun 2013

... some of the pieces we know about him, what we have is this:

high school GED
highly intelligent
high-achieving but narrowly focused
self taught (and/or learned on the job)
seems to have a cyber-based/internet-based ethos, rather than a recognizable political ideology

What he has missed in his education, quite likely, is the classroom work we used to call Civics, as well as history of any kind. What he has missed is real-life experience outside of the logic of his head and his chosen work.

Greenwald, as we know, has an agenda of his own. I don't know how those two hooked up, but Greenwald may have filled a gap in Snowden's thinking and provided him with a focus for his anger. Or maybe Snowden's thoughts had already clicked into place, and Greenwald just presented him with an ideology that sounded like it fit.

I'm just trying to work out why it is that Snowden seems to be all over the place, and not just geographically.

Hekate

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
8. Something I've thought about him, that would actually mitigate his responsibility in my mind,
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 11:15 PM
Jun 2013

is the possibility that he might be somewhere on the autism spectrum -- explaining why he appears to be such a black and white thinker and why he didn't seem to anticipate the reaction he's been getting from the public.

In my community there's a higher number of Asperger's people than average, mostly because of the computer industry. If that is his situation it could explain some things. And whatever made him what he is, the government better figure out how they can keep classified information safer from now on.

siligut

(12,272 posts)
12. Yes, he may be on the spectrum
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 11:30 PM
Jun 2013

One of his attorneys also said he was a kid. Though he said it was because Ed prefers Pepsi to wine, I think it may have something to do with his naivete.

Blue_Roses

(12,894 posts)
20. I've been thinking the same thing...
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 05:21 AM
Jun 2013

Last edited Tue Jun 25, 2013, 06:17 AM - Edit history (1)

possible Asperger's. Several things come to mind. But, it's hard to know for sure with such limited information.(on his medical history).

Asperger Syndrome

A.D.A.M. Medical Encyclopedia.
Asperger Syndrome

Autistic spectrum disorder - Asperger

Asperger Syndrome is often considered a high functioning form of autism. It can lead to difficulty interacting socially, repeat behaviors, and clumsiness.

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Asperger syndrome is a pervasive developmental disorder (PDD) or autism spectrum disorder (ASD). The main difference between Asperger syndrome and autistic disorder is that children with Asperger syndrome do not have speech or cognitive delays.
The condition appears to be more common in boys than in girls.
Although people with Asperger syndrome often have difficulty socially, many have above-average intelligence. They may excel in fields such as computer programming and science. There is no delay in their cognitive development, ability to take care of themselves, or curiosity about their environment


more...
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0002516/#adam_001549.disease.symptoms

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Just to be clear, this could possibly explain some of his baffling and bizarre behavior. Not diagnosing

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
21. Right. And some of the ways he's described could just be describing
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 05:32 AM
Jun 2013

a shy person (not maintaining eye contact, for example). But I've wondered. It would also fit with him being clearly so bright and yet having difficulty getting through school.

siligut

(12,272 posts)
14. Because we are against the spying
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 11:34 PM
Jun 2013

Even though it makes Obama's job even harder and it may create difficult foreign relations, the NSA has gotten out of control.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
15. We need to distinguish between spying on foreign countries
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 11:43 PM
Jun 2013

and spying on our own citizens. Too many people are making incredibly flaky calls for pure transparency and no international spying.

As if China and Russia will stop because we do. . . .

siligut

(12,272 posts)
16. Right, the big deal is that US citizens are being spied on by the NSA
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 11:48 PM
Jun 2013

And all of our electronic communications are being recorded and stored.

TheKentuckian

(25,026 posts)
19. Meh...you think the citizens of our friends and allies like being spied on in our dragnet?
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 02:05 AM
Jun 2013

Everybody isn't China and Russia and China would be very difficult to prove on paper as an enemy at all. You look at the trade, the money lent and borrowed, they have most favored status, we buy their shit, they can buy our property, they have McDonald's and KFC.

That war is sub-zero.

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