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warrior1

(12,325 posts)
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 09:26 AM Jun 2013

A Mystery Star Witness Will Be Revealed Today in Trayvon Martin Case

http://gawker.com/a-mystery-star-witness-will-be-revealed-today-in-trayvo-570478188


The prosecutors in the trial of George Zimmerman will reveal a star, mystery witness today—the young woman with whom Trayvon Martin was talking in the last few minutes of his life. Known at Witness #8, the teenager will testify about what Martin told her the night that he was shot by Zimmerman.



The 17-year-old Martin was unarmed at the time that 29-year-old Zimmerman shot him. Martin told the young woman that he noticed Zimmerman was watching him in the gated community in Sanford, Florida. When Martin was visiting Retreat at Twin Lakes, Zimmerman was serving as a neighborhood watchdog. In written testimony, Witness #8 (also called Rachel) has described Martin as frightened and attempting to escape Zimmerman, as she urged Martin to run.

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A Mystery Star Witness Will Be Revealed Today in Trayvon Martin Case (Original Post) warrior1 Jun 2013 OP
Zimmerman is toast. darkangel218 Jun 2013 #1
The funny thing about this trial is I get the opinion that Zimmerman seemed very confident that grantcart Jun 2013 #2
lol yup. darkangel218 Jun 2013 #3
Maybe Zimmerman disgusts them, and they want to lose demwing Jun 2013 #5
Well the issue is getting all 6 to find him guilty..... Logical Jun 2013 #4
Someone else said they need a unanimous decision either way davidpdx Jun 2013 #6
Unanimous juries are always required in criminal cases DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2013 #10
Aren't there twelve jurors on capital cases ? DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2013 #7
It is not a capital case RantinRavin Jun 2013 #8
TY DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2013 #12
I think only 6 in Florida. n-t Logical Jun 2013 #16
But itchy-fingered idiots like Zimmerman make others toters look bad. Ikonoklast Jun 2013 #9
I hope she is able to hold it together and testify to the truth... hlthe2b Jun 2013 #11
I just hope they don't trot out this guy: Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #13
Everyone's best friend. Nimajneb Nilknarf Jun 2013 #14
Why is she called a 'mystery' witness? wercal Jun 2013 #15

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
2. The funny thing about this trial is I get the opinion that Zimmerman seemed very confident that
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 09:35 AM
Jun 2013

he had a 'legal dream team'.

Knock knock

Whose there?

George Zimmerman's legal dream team.

George Zimmerman's legal dream team who?

Exactly.
 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
3. lol yup.
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 09:38 AM
Jun 2013

Aweful opening for the defense. Maybe they know they're going to lose regardless, so they're just playing around.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
5. Maybe Zimmerman disgusts them, and they want to lose
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 09:43 AM
Jun 2013

I can't believe the defense lead with a joke. I am flabbergasted that the joke was at the expense of their own client.

It's either intentional, or tragically incompetent.

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
4. Well the issue is getting all 6 to find him guilty.....
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 09:42 AM
Jun 2013

It is Florida! And victim was black. And guns are popular.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
6. Someone else said they need a unanimous decision either way
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 09:47 AM
Jun 2013

for aquittal or conviction. I don't know if that's true or not, but I would think that would be pretty difficult

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
9. But itchy-fingered idiots like Zimmerman make others toters look bad.
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 09:58 AM
Jun 2013

Zimmerman certainly does not help their cause one iota.

hlthe2b

(102,607 posts)
11. I hope she is able to hold it together and testify to the truth...
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 10:00 AM
Jun 2013

in a manner that holds up against his defense lawyer's tactics.

Justice for Trayvon and all the Trayvons of the world....

wercal

(1,370 posts)
15. Why is she called a 'mystery' witness?
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 10:40 AM
Jun 2013

Is she not on the list? If not, the defense could delay to prepare for her.

Weird.

Anyway - an objective recap of yesterday:

Opening statements - prosecution did great, defense did terrible. Maybe there is some strategy behind telling the joke...but I don't see it.

First witness - young boy who had been staying in apartment/condo with Trayvon Martin. Prosecution got to establish that the Skittles were for him. Defense established (by asking him if he could throw a foorball the distance) that the apartment was close to the crime scene. I think they will use this later to question why Martin did not go home, after outrunning Zimmerman.

Store clerk. He gave a play by play of the store video...purchase of drink and Skittles. Not sure what the prosecution got to establish, other than chronological timeline. Defense had very few questions of him - asked if he actually remembered that night, or was just going off what the tape showed. He said he didn't remember that night...which makes it hard to ask him any questions...so the defense didn't.

Police dispatch. The prosecution got to present the 'punks' and 'they always get away' languauge. And, they pointed out that Martin's race was mentioned twice. They also asked about admonishing Zimerman from following Martin. The defense really pried into the meaning of words with this guy...and tried to pin the siuation on him. Repeatedly they asked if Zimmerman;s tone or demeanor was troubling or sounded violent...if he ever said 'yes', the finger would be pointed at him for not diffusing the situation. So, he kept saying 'no sir'. One of the lawyers asked why the 'you don't need to do that' wasn't more declarative...the answer was the police department couldn't be more declarative, due to liability...not the answer the prosecution wanted for sure. The defense also asked him if his asking where Martin was, and which way he was moving, could be construed as an invitation to Zimmerman to follow Martin. He was non-committal, but the prosecution did not clear this up at all on re-examination.

911 records keeper - he played one tape of a 911 call from some time prior to the Martin killing...obviously prepared to play every single 911 call from Zimmerman over a period of months. Defense objected. This is a double edged sword - the tapes make Zimmerman seem like an out of control zealot, but they also establish that he has called police many times in the past, without a homocidal outcome - shaping his expectations, which is important in defending against gross negligence as part of the 2nd degree murder charge. Obviously the defense thinks this sword is sharper on one side than the other, and they are trying to suppress.

Scoreboard: Very strong opening for the prosecution, especially compared to weak defense performance. First witness did not help prosecution, but his assessment of distance from crime scene to apartment may help defense later - slight advantage defense. Store clerk - didn't really help anyone...was called to establish chronology, since jury allegedly has not followed case closely...but no real advantage to either side. Police dispatch - I think the defense picked him apart and parsed his words in a manner that was nightmarish for the prosection. Advantage defense. 911 record keeper - we'll find out today.

I think the girlfriend could make or break the case....it all depends on how credible a witness she comes across as.

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