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nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 11:27 AM Jun 2013

I am not angry about the Civil Rights act

I am not able to get angry anymore. I am not surprised either, or shocked. This is the way things are gong, and have been going for oh since 1985 or so.

It is what it is, and the question is what are you going to do about it?

But angry? I don't have any more energy for that emotion. I expect things to get far worst. We are far from hitting bottom. This is but one more step in this...a big step...

So they will make abortion illegal. Perhaps try to get rid of the wimen's folks right to vote...on the list also, child labor, as in it is back. Living wage....well, we will be lucky if we keep the minimum wage. Workers protections? You jest.

And we have now the backbones of a police state.

This is where we are. And where we are going.

Those dystopias are looking more and more like prophecy.

Oh and voting...it's just part of the scenery. It could be useful, but hardly the end all, absolute thing that will slow down, let stop this process.

Yup, I am glad I don't have kids.

But none of this surprises me, or shocks me, or angers me anymore. The course we are following is sadly...highly predictable.

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I am not angry about the Civil Rights act (Original Post) nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 OP
I've always thought the Civil Rights Act was a good thing Nimajneb Nilknarf Jun 2013 #1
So have I...but I am not surprised that a key nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #2
I hadn't heard anything about that. Nimajneb Nilknarf Jun 2013 #7
Section four struck down nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #11
The map can be redrawn to include the entire company marshall Jun 2013 #14
If congress picks the hot potato nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #54
Isn't that Section 4 of the *Voting* Rights Act that was struck down? There are several threads bike man Jun 2013 #53
Basically what the court said was that the federal govt. premium Jun 2013 #12
After the dentist, getting the decision and reading it nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #15
That's just my rough understanding of it. premium Jun 2013 #16
Yup... nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #17
My, my. Skidmore Jun 2013 #3
You know, I think it's time to send you to the ignore list nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #4
A true act of courage undoutedly. Skidmore Jun 2013 #13
please add me too! DCBob Jun 2013 #28
Nope...you have not given me reason nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #30
hehe.. DCBob Jun 2013 #31
+1 DCBob Jun 2013 #27
Anger is very hard to sustain. At this point there are too many Autumn Jun 2013 #5
Exactly. It has become not another day, nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #9
+1 LiberalLoner Jun 2013 #44
"Yup, I am glad I don't have kids." BeyondGeography Jun 2013 #6
And your point? nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #10
It's OK to be dark BeyondGeography Jun 2013 #23
Trends...that is all nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #25
It's the issue that will propel Dems into the house in 2014 demwing Jun 2013 #8
Actually, it was a good decision, premium Jun 2013 #18
I can see that demwing Jun 2013 #19
What the court should have done premium Jun 2013 #20
Still, if it had to happen, better now than after 2014 demwing Jun 2013 #21
I agree. premium Jun 2013 #22
I am not a bit surprised. janlyn Jun 2013 #24
Asleep...and when they finally wake up nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #26
But, But I didn't know!! janlyn Jun 2013 #39
Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #29
What a non sensical response nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #32
ok maybe not thrilled.. DCBob Jun 2013 #34
Reading comp issues? nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #36
If you truely concerned about what is happening here.. DCBob Jun 2013 #37
Gee...the bad republicans are the only guilty ones nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #38
+10000 n/t janlyn Jun 2013 #41
This isn't about the 'precious' security issue. HappyMe Jun 2013 #42
yeah, I expected something like this defending the Republicans. DCBob Jun 2013 #43
sorry if history is not nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #45
They're just trying to prevent people DevonRex Jun 2013 #50
Please stop being an asshole. nt Romulus Quirinus Jun 2013 #52
I hate conservatives. alarimer Jun 2013 #33
I don't hate them nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #35
Just to be clear: you're furious about a years-old intel program... Recursion Jun 2013 #40
Just to be even clearer DemocratsForProgress Jun 2013 #47
I was going to let that one slide Recursion Jun 2013 #48
Amazing.... SidDithers Jun 2013 #51
The takeover is complete. liberal_at_heart Jun 2013 #46
Evening kick nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #49
 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
2. So have I...but I am not surprised that a key
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 11:31 AM
Jun 2013

Part was struck down.

Not at all...in fact, I hate to say it, I expected it.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
11. Section four struck down
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 11:50 AM
Jun 2013

Partly the formulas used are from 1974 data. So sending it back to congress to redraw maps. Like that is going to happen with this congress. The WH ain't too happy...they have been having a very bad two weeks.

marshall

(6,665 posts)
14. The map can be redrawn to include the entire company
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 11:56 AM
Jun 2013

It will take some extra effort, but with government oversight over the entire process we could be in a better position to ensure voting rights everywhere.

 

bike man

(620 posts)
53. Isn't that Section 4 of the *Voting* Rights Act that was struck down? There are several threads
Wed Jun 26, 2013, 01:14 AM
Jun 2013

currently on DU about the Voting Rights Act and SCOTUS, but nothing about the Civil Rights Act.

IIRC, and bearing in mind I do not have a Master's Degree in History, they are two separate, different pieces of legislation.

Edited to add link to one of the current threads. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023091774

Edited again to add one of over 1 million results when googled “SCOTUS voting rights act”


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/25/voting-rights-act-supreme-court_n_3429810.html

Voting Rights Act Section 4 Struck Down By Supreme Court

<snip> The Supreme Court struck down Section 4 of the Voting Rights Act on Tuesday, the provision of the landmark civil rights law that designates which parts of the country must have changes to their voting laws cleared by the federal government or in federal court

But, in your defense, maybe you were confused by the Voting Rights Act being one of the civil rights laws passed during that hectic period in our history.

 

premium

(3,731 posts)
12. Basically what the court said was that the federal govt.
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 11:52 AM
Jun 2013

can't impose laws on some states requiring them to get federal permission to change their voting laws without requiring the same regulations on all states, but the court seemed to say, pass a law that requires all states to get permission to change voting laws and it will all be good.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
15. After the dentist, getting the decision and reading it
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 11:57 AM
Jun 2013

I don't know what is more fun. Right now relying on talking heads.

 

premium

(3,731 posts)
16. That's just my rough understanding of it.
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 12:07 PM
Jun 2013

Good luck at the dentist, hate them but, they are a necessary evil.

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
3. My, my.
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 11:32 AM
Jun 2013

I would think you would be relishing this since it fits right in with scorched earth conflagration approach to change that appears to have become so popular this past week. This is the domestic version of busting everything back to basics without having a course for correction or a foundation to build on. Again, brought to you by denizens of the right wing. Why not jump on board this one too?

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
28. please add me too!
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 12:40 PM
Jun 2013

I prefer to make comments on your posts and not have your nonsense replies crowding the page.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
30. Nope...you have not given me reason
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 12:42 PM
Jun 2013

In fact that post tells me exactly why you will not go there, ever. As tempting as it might be.

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
5. Anger is very hard to sustain. At this point there are too many
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 11:35 AM
Jun 2013

issues to be angry about. Like you, nothing surprises me anymore.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
9. Exactly. It has become not another day,
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 11:45 AM
Jun 2013

But all but surprising. Those currently in power are laying the work to remain such, even after they become clear minorities.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
10. And your point?
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 11:49 AM
Jun 2013

I recommend you look out and check climate change among others. If I had kids I would seriously be looking for another country. This way I can stay and do what I have been doing...fighting. It offers that luxury.

But as a child of a holocaust survivor, I would be looking to move. I expect this place to go down predictable lines. Those who don't know history are bound to repeat it.

I suspect you are among those people.

BeyondGeography

(39,402 posts)
23. It's OK to be dark
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 12:30 PM
Jun 2013

But it has to be managed. Hopelessness, otoh, is not healthy. Kids are constitutionally hopeful and have helped me with my own darkness management, but I understand they're not for everyone. The only other thing I would say is try not think you have it all figured out, because none of us do.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
25. Trends...that is all
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 12:33 PM
Jun 2013

Since the enabling act was passed it's clear where we are heading. And last week confirmed it, as well as indefinite detention of us citizens in the NDAA. Like all other states going there, it is all very legal.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
8. It's the issue that will propel Dems into the house in 2014
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 11:42 AM
Jun 2013

You want mid-term turnout? We've just grabbed it. The decision was bad, but the timing is good.

 

premium

(3,731 posts)
18. Actually, it was a good decision,
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 12:10 PM
Jun 2013

what the court is saying is that the feds can't be selective, it can't be required for some states and not others, it has to be all or nothing, they seemed to be saying pass a law that includes all states and all will be good.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
19. I can see that
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 12:15 PM
Jun 2013

but then I think of whom it is that is doing the "saying" and I think...no, that wasn't their intent.

Good decision, bad decision...in my scenario, it will only be good if Dems make it good.

 

premium

(3,731 posts)
20. What the court should have done
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 12:17 PM
Jun 2013

was leave the current provision in place for a year or so to give time for the congress to pass a new law to make it nationwide.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
21. Still, if it had to happen, better now than after 2014
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 12:23 PM
Jun 2013

There will now be more tea party challenges to centrist GOPers, and the racial rhetoric will escalate. Moderates Repubs will be forced to vote against their own party, just as happened in 2012.

 

premium

(3,731 posts)
22. I agree.
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 12:26 PM
Jun 2013

I think this is a win-win for us, it gives us a rallying point to GOTV and take back the House in 2014 and pass the new law requiring all states to seek permission to change their voting laws.

janlyn

(735 posts)
24. I am not a bit surprised.
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 12:30 PM
Jun 2013

Like you, I too am no longer angry about what the government is doing,both parties in my opinion are equally as guilty. I saw this coming for some time.
I am however angry at the apathy displayed by the populace at large, to the erosion of our rights.

I hate to play this card, but I will preface it with this. I think anyone who compares someone with Hitler, has already lost the argument.
Having said that, I don't think comparing a political establishment that slowly erodes our rights, to the Nazi party is the same thing.

Maybe I just have more insight given the things my grandmother would tell me about those times. Like how so many people thought Hitler and the Nazi
Party were a blessing for a country struggling with bad economic times, and how others like the ruling party at the time just didn't take him seriously.

The mistaken assumption that it couldn't possibly happen here makes me angry. I believe sincerely that most people will not realize until it's to late.

The average american is asleep in my opinion.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
26. Asleep...and when they finally wake up
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 12:35 PM
Jun 2013

They will, like everywhere else...they will be shocked. Alas it will be too late.

janlyn

(735 posts)
39. But, But I didn't know!!
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 12:57 PM
Jun 2013

Will be the hue and cry!!! People need to be woken up before it's too late! Like you, I seriously doubt that will happen.

Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
32. What a non sensical response
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 12:43 PM
Jun 2013

What you think I believe this decision is right and we should go back to go 1850? Is that your non sensical response?

I gotta say, nice attempt at a needle.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
37. If you truely concerned about what is happening here..
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 12:53 PM
Jun 2013

then I would suggest you focus your ire on those who deserve it... ie the GOP. Obama and Democrat bashing is not going to change the SCOTUS to be more liberal... duh.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
38. Gee...the bad republicans are the only guilty ones
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 12:56 PM
Jun 2013

Over the national security state!!!! Mommy, mommy, keep the monster away!!!

Some of us have a historic view and realize that is quite bipartisan thank you very much. It started under Truman (a republican by your logic). His intentions were good, and we were in the midst of a Cold War.

So sorry if that bothers you, but in some things they are quite joined at the hip.

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
42. This isn't about the 'precious' security issue.
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 01:01 PM
Jun 2013

This is about a SCOTUS decision. Bargle on all you want about mommy and Truman.


 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
45. sorry if history is not
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 01:45 PM
Jun 2013

your strong point. It is not partisan to recognize this is bipartisan and part of history for good and valid reasons

Sorry...but i do not buy into republicans are monsters, some sre by the way, and dems are pure as new fallen snow

As far as national security it is a game of one up manship. And these are little cute chicks who have come home to roosts

DevonRex

(22,541 posts)
50. They're just trying to prevent people
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 11:21 PM
Jun 2013

from doing something crazy like voting for Democrats in 2014, in reaction to the Supreme Court ruling. It could ruin all their hard work at Democratic voter suppression.

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
33. I hate conservatives.
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 12:45 PM
Jun 2013

I hate conservatives of every stripe: Tea Partiers, wingnuts, Republicans, conservative Democrats (because they should know better and just can't bring themselves to call themselves Republicans), conservative independents (who the hell are you fooling?)

I hate them. They are undoing all the good things about this country and they are aided and abetted by weak-willed, spineless weasel Democrats and others who play right into their hands, who buy the corporate spin and who don't call out conservatives on their bullshit.

I'm through. Nothing we do matters. Vote for whatever ass-clown you want. We are still screwed because they other side CHEATS.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
35. I don't hate them
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 12:49 PM
Jun 2013

It takes way too much energy.

But as to voting, yup, I concluded that as well, especially at the federal level.

We need to find out how to effectively fight the minority who is trying hard to recreate apartheid in some respects.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
40. Just to be clear: you're furious about a years-old intel program...
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 12:59 PM
Jun 2013

... but not about a court decision today that guts the enforcement provisions of the VRA?

Hmmm...

47. Just to be even clearer
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 01:55 PM
Jun 2013

she's mistaking the Civil Right Act of 1964 with the Voting Rights Act of 1965, while upthread she's telling someone "history is not your strong point."

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
51. Amazing....
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 11:43 PM
Jun 2013

Little details like the correct piece of legislation are meaningless when important nooz is being discussed.



Sid

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