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Tue Jun 25, 2013, 09:04 PM

Hey Kids! It's time to take a trip in the DU 'Way Back Machine'! Hows about September, 2003?

On September 4, 2003, DU's own realFedUP posted this OP on the subject of Fascism. The author of the piece linked to shared a story he'd heard many years previously...

...reminiscing about a professor's midafternoon lecture:

When he was a young man, he told us, he served in the U.S. Army as part of the occupation forces in Germany after World War II. He was put to work gathering information for the military tribunal preparing to prosecute Nazi war criminals at Nuremberg. His job was to spend time in the villages adjacent to one concentration camp and talk to the residents about what they knew.

The villagers, he said, knew about the camp, and watched daily as thousands of prisoners would arrive by rail car, herded like cattle into the camps. And they knew that none ever left, even though the camp never could have held the vast numbers of prisoners who were brought in. They also knew that the smokestack of the camp's crematorium belched a near-steady stream of smoke and ash. Yet the villagers chose to remain ignorant about what went on inside the camp. No one inquired, because no one wanted to know.

"But every day," he said, "these people, in their neat Germanic way, would get out their feather dusters and go outside. And, never thinking about what it meant, they would sweep off the layer of ash that would settle on their windowsills overnight. Then they would return to their neat, clean lives and pretend not to notice what was happening next door.

"When the camps were liberated and their contents were revealed, they all expressed surprise and horror at what had gone on inside," he said. "But they all had ash in their feather dusters."


"That story neatly compresses the way fascism works: in a vacuum of denial"

The above is derived from the essay "Rush, Newspeak and Fascism: An exegesis, by David Neiwert in collaboration by literally dozens of bloggers, published writers, Professors, and organizations such as the Southern Poverty Law Center and the Anti-Defamation League. 10 years ago it was a fascinating study - today it's downright prescient and scary.

"What happened here was the gradual habituation of the people, little by little, to being governed by surprise; to receiving decisions deliberated in secret; to believing that the situation was so complicated that the government had to act on information which the people could not understand, or so dangerous that, even if the people could not understand it, it could not be released because of national security. And their sense of identification with Hitler, their trust in him, made it easier to widen this gap and reassured those who would otherwise have worried about it.

"This separation of government from people, this widening of the gap, took place so gradually and so insensibly, each step disguised (perhaps not even intentionally) as a temporary emergency measure or associated with true patriotic allegiance or with real social purposes. And all the crises and reforms (real reforms, too) so occupied the people that they did not see the slow motion underneath, of the whole process of government growing remoter and remoter.

They thought they were free


And, if I may, one of the responses to this 2003 DU OP almost 10 years ago; thanks indepat (and thanks also to scarletwoman, DrBB and all others who posted on that thread - read this and let it sink in, really, really read this:


indepat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-03 03:44 PM
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2. Fascism might not have arrived in America, but all the seeds have been sown and are germinating in full regalia: the breakdown of the separation of powers doctrine; the Congress's abrogation of its Article 1, Section 8 powers; the Supreme Court's indifference/acquisence to seemingly unconstitutional law, such as the USA Patriot Act; a political party which marches to the beat of the drummer in virtual lockstep; a mainstream media which shill for the wars, regressive tax schemes, unilateralism, abrogation of international treaties, and other far-right policies; a mainstream media which fail to keep the public informed; an emerging corporatism; the branding of dissent and threatening of dissenters; the operation of government in secrecy; an indifferent and lethargic public cowered into not questioning any action of those who control the levers of power, i.e., an abrogation of the patriotic duty to dissent when elected and appointed leaders fail in their oaths of office and fail to uphold the Constitution, our own and international law, and the principles upon which this nation was founded. Topped off by Britney-types and other talking heads telling us to trust, go along with everything our leader wants. Does that about cover it?
- indepat

Apropos of where we find ourselves some 10 years later, isn't it?
Prescient essay which, unfortunately, I am limited by copyright to posting. And so, I hope those reading these words will make the time to read Neiwert's essay so that we might more thoughtfully examine and discuss the rise of corporatism and its take-over of this country before its too late.


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Reply Hey Kids! It's time to take a trip in the DU 'Way Back Machine'! Hows about September, 2003? (Original post)
Melinda Jun 2013 OP
undergroundpanther Jun 2013 #1
zeemike Jun 2013 #13
Cleita Jun 2013 #21
zeemike Jun 2013 #22
idwiyo Jun 2013 #2
dixiegrrrrl Jun 2013 #3
Skip Intro Jun 2013 #6
nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #4
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Skip Intro Jun 2013 #7
nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #8
scarletwoman Jun 2013 #9
Fla_Democrat Jun 2013 #10
Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #11
Demo_Chris Jun 2013 #12
cantbeserious Jun 2013 #14
Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2013 #15
L0oniX Jun 2013 #16
stupidicus Jun 2013 #17
zeemike Jun 2013 #18
Autumn Jun 2013 #19
Fuddnik Jun 2013 #20
Melinda Oct 2019 #23

Response to Melinda (Original post)

Tue Jun 25, 2013, 09:18 PM

1. in abusive families denial

denial is what is used to 'cope',to lie so that abuse never stops.


Denial of abuse by family and friends never ceases to amaze me. A child is being abused within the family and everyone knows it is happening, yet everyone is at the same time astounded that the child is behaving in certain ways. Worse yet; they are discussing it amongst themselves and even outsiders to gain insight into the situation. They send these children for all kinds of “help” to anyone and everyone. They soothe their consciences by paying for this “help” and actually draw more attention to themselves in the process.

I have heard it all in my support groups: she is like this because she was born premature; he avoids his parents as he is on drugs and this upsets them; his parents are working so hard that he may have all he desires yet his life is in tatters as he flits through school, friends and is continuously in trouble with the law for stealing; why she doesn’t want to kiss uncle Joe I cannot understand; her mom does drugs and alcohol but she would never let her child do that. In a family of drug users, promiscuity, alcohol and physical abuse I heard the best one yet: Why does she shame the family by getting locked up for fighting, running away and stealing all the time?

Friends that visit regularly notice the eldest daughter never leaves her younger sister’s side when her Mom’s boyfriend is near even if it causes one heck of a fight when the boyfriend wants the little girl to accompany him to the kitchen for ice. People, this is not normal behaviour! The mom sides with the boyfriend too; wanting to force the little girl to go with him. Why?

Denial because of financial benefits for some, for others it means they don’t have to satisfy a physical need they don’t want to, for some it is for fear of a beating themselves, for others it is simply too much effort to get involved in this messy business of abuse, especially if you survived it yourself. You know they can too.

Herein lays the problem. Denial of abuse keeps every generation in a family trapped unless it is stopped by someone. When family and friends deny the abuse amongst themselves; they are forcing the child deeper into an unreal world he or she needs to create in order to survive. This is why so many people that have been abused come across as lying terribly when talking about everyday things. They bring their make believe world into their real world because to them they are one and the same. They truly cannot differentiate between the two.


http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art176698.asp

Same dynamics when it comes to the nazis and 'good germans'.

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Response to undergroundpanther (Reply #1)

Tue Jun 25, 2013, 10:44 PM

13. And now the same denial today.

And the same dynamics right here on Du as well...
thanks for that great post.

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Response to zeemike (Reply #13)

Tue Jun 25, 2013, 11:57 PM

21. Yep. I just got chastized a day or two ago about bringing up parallels between how Germany got

taken over and how the same dynamics are happening today. Can't talk about it. We don't have a holocaust yet so we can't talk about it.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #21)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 12:37 AM

22. Yes I know.

They can use rules like that to shut you down...And with such rules they can act like fascist and you can't call them on it.

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Response to Melinda (Original post)

Tue Jun 25, 2013, 09:19 PM

2. K&R

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Response to Melinda (Original post)

Tue Jun 25, 2013, 09:20 PM

3. Ironically, the cult of personality helped blind people

to the increasing loss of liberty post 2008.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #3)

Tue Jun 25, 2013, 09:40 PM

6. Yep. Still does. n/t

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Response to Melinda (Original post)

Tue Jun 25, 2013, 09:22 PM

4. I remember those discussions.

 

And we are having the same discussions right now.

It's gotten worst

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Response to Melinda (Original post)

Tue Jun 25, 2013, 09:37 PM

5. That just can't be!!!!

I read right here on DU that nobody cared when Bush-the-Lesser started this shit back in 2001,
so that proves that anybody complaining NOW is a [font size=3]"Racist",[/font]
because [font size=3]what else could it be?[/font]

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #5)

Tue Jun 25, 2013, 09:41 PM

7. ,

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #5)

Tue Jun 25, 2013, 09:42 PM

8. Don't forget about Ron Paul.

 

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Response to Melinda (Original post)

Tue Jun 25, 2013, 09:43 PM

9. "But they all had ash in their feather dusters."

indepat nailed it:
...a mainstream media which fail to keep the public informed; an emerging corporatism; the branding of dissent and threatening of dissenters; the operation of government in secrecy; an indifferent and lethargic public cowered into not questioning any action of those who control the levers of power, i.e., an abrogation of the patriotic duty to dissent when elected and appointed leaders fail in their oaths of office and fail to uphold the Constitution, our own and international law, and the principles upon which this nation was founded.


Thank you for resurrecting this old thread! Wow!

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Response to Melinda (Original post)

Tue Jun 25, 2013, 09:47 PM

10. Sure, why not. If we can refight the 2000 election..

then a 2003 topic is certainly with in the realm of examination.




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Response to Melinda (Original post)

Tue Jun 25, 2013, 10:02 PM

11. Wonderful wonderful post.

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Response to Melinda (Original post)

Tue Jun 25, 2013, 10:04 PM

12. rec

 

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Response to Melinda (Original post)

Tue Jun 25, 2013, 10:49 PM

14. Thank You For Reminding Us That Democracy Is More Than Hope And Change

eom

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Response to Melinda (Original post)

Tue Jun 25, 2013, 10:52 PM

15. I would simply add this from about the same period...

 

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Response to Melinda (Original post)

Tue Jun 25, 2013, 11:01 PM

16. Stop picking on the worshippers.

 

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Response to Melinda (Original post)

Tue Jun 25, 2013, 11:01 PM

17. That it's been happening here

 

is a case I've been making for longer than that, much as they were no doubt witnessing and thinking about it well before publication occurred.

The "Third Way" accelerated it, and Bush put the militaristic face on it.

It's been done by baby steps, so that it is all normalized along the way.

I'd say some of the reactions to the recent NSA revelations is analogous to and nothing but dust fit for the same level of deliberation by far too many.

They are still in a state of shock http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shock_Doctrine and too mired in this and that to see the big picture.

good post

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Response to Melinda (Original post)

Tue Jun 25, 2013, 11:13 PM

18. K&R

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Response to Melinda (Original post)

Tue Jun 25, 2013, 11:15 PM

19. Recommended

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Response to Melinda (Original post)

Tue Jun 25, 2013, 11:35 PM

20. Kick and Rec!

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Response to Melinda (Original post)

Fri Oct 18, 2019, 11:22 PM

23. Some six years later...

Now, if ever.

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