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Death Valley 127 Degrees, Phoenix 118 Degrees, Temps In 110's, Alaska In The 90's. (Original Post) TheMastersNemesis Jun 2013 OP
Ah, summer. nt bike man Jun 2013 #1
Just wait for peak hurricane season malaise Jun 2013 #2
And more derechoes in the Central and Eastern states. kentauros Jun 2013 #19
post count eom Kolesar Jun 2013 #3
Denial will stop when rich people start dying from climate change n/t n2doc Jun 2013 #4
Not sure that will even do it. Repugs dont care about dead rich people, only live ones that can give stevenleser Jun 2013 #13
Not death - a contagious disease following a big storm - that would scare the shit of them malaise Jun 2013 #21
I made the mistake one year B Calm Jun 2013 #5
Try Austin in Aug. Same temps, 10 times the humidity. hobbit709 Jun 2013 #7
Mmmm, can't wait. Javaman Jun 2013 #10
did not know Austin was that humid. dixiegrrrrl Jun 2013 #17
LOL, no it doesn't get up to 127 in Austin Rstrstx Jun 2013 #34
Thunderstorms in MI every day, with 90 degree temps Doctor_J Jun 2013 #6
Those temperatures are not unprecedented in those regions. subterranean Jun 2013 #8
What does this say to you? dixiegrrrrl Jun 2013 #15
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! malaise Jun 2013 #22
I wasn't denying global warming. subterranean Jun 2013 #25
This isn't a "single event" - it is part of a major trend, for anyone who has been kestrel91316 Jun 2013 #29
But it's not just one heat wave. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #23
You are right Rstrstx Jun 2013 #24
Weather + time = climate. Contrary to what the RW wants us to believe. kestrel91316 Jun 2013 #30
At what temperature would it be uninhabitable? kentuck Jun 2013 #9
A relevant article: backscatter712 Jun 2013 #14
Plus....over very hot daytime temps mean night time temps too hot dixiegrrrrl Jun 2013 #16
Well, I was once in Jericho leftynyc Jun 2013 #18
Well I know when it gets over 115F and stays there for more than a day or two, my AC can't kestrel91316 Jun 2013 #31
I was once in Death Valley when it was 127 degrees... Javaman Jun 2013 #11
Lived in the UAE for 9 years... quit whining, Death Valley is a dry heat JCMach1 Jun 2013 #12
See the article I posted above. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #20
I am talking 110+ with that humidity... JCMach1 Jul 2013 #37
And only 64 in the Boston area----and we had a very cool spring. virgogal Jun 2013 #26
No, no, no, no, no--you've got it all wrong! AndyA Jun 2013 #27
Al Gore AFJROTCcadetEcho Jun 2013 #28
Pahrump, Nevada: 106 today, 110 tomorrow, 111 Saturday, will peak @ 113 on Monday. Amerigo Vespucci Jun 2013 #32
We're looking at Le Taz Hot Jun 2013 #33
Here in Korea the weather has been more extreme on both ends davidpdx Jun 2013 #35
Anchorage just broke the record Blue_In_AK Jun 2013 #36

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
19. And more derechoes in the Central and Eastern states.
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 10:37 AM
Jun 2013

And with that, more tornadoes.

I'm not looking forward to this hurricane season. I think I'll make a note to myself to see about making one of those emergency kits. I've never done it in the past other than freeze dozens of water bottles in the lead up to one.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
13. Not sure that will even do it. Repugs dont care about dead rich people, only live ones that can give
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 10:19 AM
Jun 2013

them money.

malaise

(268,963 posts)
21. Not death - a contagious disease following a big storm - that would scare the shit of them
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 10:48 AM
Jun 2013

Losing their beach front properties and their fancy yachts would be way more painful to them than death.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
5. I made the mistake one year
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 08:06 AM
Jun 2013

when my dad was still alive, I flew to Tucson to see him in August. I don't know why anybody would want to live in the desert. Whewww was it ever hot out there!!

Javaman

(62,521 posts)
10. Mmmm, can't wait.
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 09:32 AM
Jun 2013

lol not really.

did you see the temp at Camp Mabry on Tuesday? 105.

ick.

It's going to be a long hot summer and not a drop of rain. As the song goes.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
17. did not know Austin was that humid.
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 10:37 AM
Jun 2013

I remember spending a few days in Houston in the summer, it was much more humid than where I live in SW Ala.

Rstrstx

(1,399 posts)
34. LOL, no it doesn't get up to 127 in Austin
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 11:08 PM
Jun 2013

Feels like it sometimes though, and I have seen readings of 117 on the car thermometer after it's been parked on unshaded asphalt

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
6. Thunderstorms in MI every day, with 90 degree temps
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 08:09 AM
Jun 2013

Climate change is just a figment of Al Gore's imagination!

subterranean

(3,427 posts)
8. Those temperatures are not unprecedented in those regions.
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 08:11 AM
Jun 2013

One heat wave is not evidence of global warming any more than a cold snap is evidence against it.

subterranean

(3,427 posts)
25. I wasn't denying global warming.
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 07:18 PM
Jun 2013

Nine of the 10 hottest years on record, globally, have occurred in the last 11 years. It's pretty clear that the world is getting warmer. What I meant was that single, regionally isolated weather events can't be used to prove or disprove global climate change. It's the accumulation of events and climate trends, as shown in the graph you posted, that provide the strongest evidence, not a heat wave in June.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
29. This isn't a "single event" - it is part of a major trend, for anyone who has been
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 07:51 PM
Jun 2013

paying the slightest attention over the past few decades........

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
23. But it's not just one heat wave.
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 11:20 AM
Jun 2013

These heat waves are more intense, and more frequent. As dixiegrrrrl pointed out, almost all of the past ten years have had record-breaking high and average temperatures.

Also, one effect of climate change is weather-weirding or weather-whiplash, which means more extreme weather events such as heat waves, storms, even blizzards. More heat energy in the atmosphere means that more of that heat energy will be turned into kinetic energy, aka wind, thus the weather gets more violent and unpredictable.

Rstrstx

(1,399 posts)
24. You are right
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 11:25 AM
Jun 2013

Examples like the chart here are valid arguments for climate change, one day of 118 in Phoenix isn't. People confuse weather with climate all the time and it should be avoided, the right uses this argument every time the temperature drops a little somewhere or a flake of snow falls in, say, Arizona. This spring, for example, was cooler than normal in the eastern US due to a stubborn Greenland blocking pattern that set up but that doesn't discredit the theory of AGW

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
30. Weather + time = climate. Contrary to what the RW wants us to believe.
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 07:52 PM
Jun 2013

They are very closely and inextricably linked.

kentuck

(111,085 posts)
9. At what temperature would it be uninhabitable?
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 08:54 AM
Jun 2013

and unable for humans to breathe? I would think we are getting very close?

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
14. A relevant article:
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 10:29 AM
Jun 2013
http://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/research/2010/100504HuberLimits.html

The article talks about "wet-bulb" temperature - the temperature read from a thermometer covered with wet cotton - when that temperature exceeds 95 degrees, people start dropping like flies.

So the answer is about 95 degrees, but also with extremely high humidity. In other words, when it's not only hot, but so humid that when you sweat, it doesn't evaporate, you can't cool down, so you keel over.

And yes, if global climate change gets really bad, there will be large areas around the globe that will start experiencing this lethal combination of temperature and humidity, which will render them uninhabitable.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
16. Plus....over very hot daytime temps mean night time temps too hot
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 10:35 AM
Jun 2013

and people cannot cool down at night, esp. in cities which have asphalt/concrete heat sinks.
That really adds to the death rate.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
18. Well, I was once in Jericho
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 10:37 AM
Jun 2013

which I was told was the oldest inhabited city in the world - it was also the hottest place I had ever been (around 120F) and I went to Arizona State.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
31. Well I know when it gets over 115F and stays there for more than a day or two, my AC can't
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 07:53 PM
Jun 2013

keep up anymore, and if we had a power failure at that point my cats and I would die.

Javaman

(62,521 posts)
11. I was once in Death Valley when it was 127 degrees...
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 09:33 AM
Jun 2013

but that was in late August.

nope, no climate change here. move along citizen.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
20. See the article I posted above.
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 10:41 AM
Jun 2013

It was talking about wet-bulb temperatures - the equivalent temperature felt by a person soaked in liquid standing in a stiff breeze, or a thermometer wrapped in wet cotton.

There have been times in Saudi Arabia, right next door in the UAE, when the wet-bulb temperatures have topped 95 degrees - super-hot and super-humid winds blowing hot moisture in from the Persian Gulf.

Absolutely miserable, and potentially lethal.

AndyA

(16,993 posts)
27. No, no, no, no, no--you've got it all wrong!
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 07:39 PM
Jun 2013

It's not global warming--it's Obama's weather machine in the Oval Office. It's in his desk drawer. With it, he controls the weather all around the globe!!11! I'm serios!!1! Glenn Beck knows all about it...

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
33. We're looking at
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 07:57 PM
Jun 2013

102, 108, 109, 109, 109 and 108 for the next 6 days. And I have to work in that. Well, at least until Saturday where it will be 73 degrees. I'll be working Sunday in the 108 degree-heat. Arggghhh!!!1

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
35. Here in Korea the weather has been more extreme on both ends
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 12:04 AM
Jun 2013

Much colder in the winter and much warmer (and drier) during the summer. Monsoon season usually start about now and we haven't had much rain. Last year you could barely tell it was Monsoon season. We had one good size storm that went straight up between China and Korea and hit close to Seoul last year, though it actually ironically went on shore in North Korea. The first year I was here in Seoul it rained so hard I thought I was going to have to buy a raft. That was only 7 years ago. Very scary....

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