Analysis: Snowden's options appear to narrow in bid to evade U.S. arrest

[ProSense]

Analysis: Snowden's options appear to narrow in bid to evade U.S. arrest

By Matt Spetalnick and Lidia Kelly

(Reuters) - Nearly a month after Edward Snowden exposed top secret U.S. surveillance programs, the former spy agency contractor looks no closer to winning asylum to evade prosecution at home - and his options appear to be narrowing.

Stuck in legal limbo in a Moscow airport transit area and facing uncertainty over whether any of the destinations he is said to be contemplating - Ecuador, Venezuela and Cuba - will let him in, Snowden seems to be at the mercy of geopolitical forces beyond his control.

Unseen in public since arriving in Moscow last weekend, much remains unclear about Snowden's overtures to various countries and how they have responded behind the scenes.

Russia may no longer have sufficient reason to continue harboring Snowden if, as is widely believed, its intelligence services have already questioned him about the classified documents that he has admitted to taking from the National Security Agency.

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http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/29/us-usa-security-snowden-analysis-idUSBRE95S01D20130629

Snowden screwed up the minute he fled the country. He made this about him and his global tour to leak American state secrets to other countries, beginning with China (http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023034825). He then made the story his attempt to gain asylum. It was inevitable that the focus was going to be on him even as the NSA programs are being debated. He admits to cherry picking the data, and the information is rife with contradictions.

Greenwald's recent piece is completely misleading (http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023118372), and sometimes it seems Greenwald is more interested in trying to absolve Bush or create the impression that Obama is no different from Bush.

His latest piece is repackaging and conflating already reported claims to give the impression that there is something new here. He added a new document, but all it does is confirm what we already know.

• Secret program launched by Bush continued 'until 2011'
• Fisa court renewed collection order every 90 days
• Current NSA programs still mine US internet metadata

<...>

The documents indicate that under the program, launched in 2001, a federal judge sitting on the secret surveillance panel called the Fisa court would approve a bulk collection order for internet metadata "every 90 days". A senior administration official confirmed the program, stating that it ended in 2011.

<...>

Eventually, the NSA gained authority to "analyze communications metadata associated with United States persons and persons believed to be in the United States", according to a 2007 Justice Department memo, which is marked secret.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/27/nsa-data-mining-authorised-obama

The 90-day order was reported initially. The news that the program ended would make the initial claim that it was ongoing false.

Mentioning the memo, which actually shows that the procedures were being followed after they were put in places (http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023058210 ), creates the impression that it was simply a continuation of Bush's illegal data collection.

Conflating the metadata program with Stellar Wind, Bush's illegal eavesdropping program, is curious.

Remember whistleblower Thomas Tamm?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023032225

In addition to eavesdropping on Americans, the Bush admistration was collecting metadata illegally. Bush-Cheney had utter disregard for the law.

The program was in fact a wide range of covert surveillance activities authorized by President Bush in the aftermath of 9/11. At that time, White House officials, led by Vice President Dick Cheney, had become convinced that FISA court procedures were too cumbersome and time-consuming to permit U.S. intelligence and law-enforcement agencies to quickly identify possible Qaeda terrorists inside the country. (Cheney's chief counsel, David Addington, referred to the FISA court in one meeting as that "obnoxious court," according to former assistant attorney general Jack Goldsmith.) Under a series of secret orders, Bush authorized the NSA for the first time to eavesdrop on phone calls and e-mails between the United States and a foreign country without any court review. The code name for the NSA collection activities—unknown to all but a tiny number of officials at the White House and in the U.S. intelligence community—was "Stellar Wind."

http://web.archive.org/web/20081216011008/http://www.newsweek.com/id/174601/output/print

Here's How the NSA Decides Who It Can Spy On
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023060180

Then along comes Assange, who played Snowden supporters. He had everyone waving a fake document. Now letters and declarations based on that document are now moot.

The entire episode has become a farce (http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3124575).

Spanish judge Baltasar Garzon says his legal team won’t represent NSA leaker Edward Snowden
http://upload.democraticunderground.com/10023101737

The Errors of Edward Snowden and His Global Hypocrisy Tour
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023112872

Ecuador has no plans to halt commerce ties over Snowden: Correa
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023114551

Ecuador threatens legal action against leaker of invalid travel document for Snowden
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023114430

Ecuador cools on Edward Snowden asylum as Assange frustration grows
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023119831

Ecuadoran President Ego Checks Ecuardoran Co-President Julian Assange
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/06/28/1219722/-Ecuadoran-President-Ego-Checks-Ecuardoran-Co-President-Julian-Assange

[MannyGoldstein]

1. And the White House is still spying on all Americans

Which is the far bigger issue here.

[ProSense]

2. Start a thread. n/t

[sheshe2]

16. Oh please I beg of you

ProSense, don't encourage him pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease~

He just posted one about comparing John Brown to Snowden...

[flamingdem]

3. Latest on Correa is that he denied his role with the pass, Assange takes the fall?

In an ironic twist, Univision used metadata attached to an electronic copy of the safe pass to verify that it was composed at the work computer of Javier Mendoza, the Ecuadorian deputy consul in London (see photo above). Mendoza has acted as an intermediary for Wikileaks founder Julian Assange, who is wanted in Sweden in connection with sexual assault allegations, but maintains that U.S. authorities are hunting him for Wikileaks' political activities.

Metadata also showed that the Snowden pass was last edited, for 48 minutes, by the consul in London, Fidel Narvaez.
Ecuadorian Press Secretary Betty Tola did not directly address the pass' authenticity but told Univision today that "any document in this regard is not valid and is the sole responsibility of the person who has issued ," suggesting that the London consulate might have acted alone in issuing it.

That does not appear to be the case, however. According to communications obtained by Univision, Narvaez wrote the pass at President Correa's request, and the consul recounted speaking directly with the president about the "unique circumstances" of Snowden's case.

After the pass was revealed publicly, sources tell Univision, Correa instructed his staff to deny any role in its creation. "The official position is that the Ecuadorian government has NOT authorized any pass for anybody," those instructions read. "Any document that exists about has no validity."

It is unclear why Correa's government would deny a role in assisting Snowden.

http://abcnews.go.com/ABC_Univision/ecuador-issues-denials-snowdens-safe-pass-linked-nations/story?id=19526121#.Uc5XpT6G0fk

[MADem]

51. That is gut-bustingly HILARIOUS!!!

Correa just fired a London ambassador. Is he gonna have to fire another?

Maybe the Ecuadorians will claim that, in the wee small hours of the morning, Assange went walkabout in that tiny apartment known as the Embassy of Ecuador in London, hacked the computer and printed the thing up himself!

Ecuador gets most of their trade dollars from us bums in the US of A. Correa can talk a great line, but he knows what side the bread is buttered on, and who supplies the bread, the butter, and the knife to spread the butter.

In any event, the upshot is that Snowden is Persona Sans Visa and Persona Sans Documenti...so he's got trouble!

[flamingdem]

55. I agree, can it get any more ironic

and hilarious !!! Assange is going to be moved to the Ecuadoran Embassy doghouse. The funniest part is that it looks like he's having a power struggle with Correa, that shows just how much power he gained by befriending the diplos in London. What an operator!

Yes, I think Correa will roll a head or three over this

Just found this on another thread - bully well yes but also a reliable buyer of broccoli and roses! :

[cherokeeprogressive]

4. He's going to be arrested, ProSense. Perp-walked to the Frog March. He will pay a heavy price.

Of that, I have no doubt. I also don't doubt he knew that from the very beginning.

The unavoidable truth though, is this: He started a conversation that isn't going away.

You needn't worry though; President Obama is more than protected in this whole affair. There are layers upon layers upon layers to this onion. Plausible deniability begins about two layers above Snowden's head.

Let's concentrate on that unavoidable truth, though, shall we? Government collection of the flotsam and jetsam of Americans' daily life isn't constitutionally authorized, and will come to an end one way or the other. To that end, we owe Mr. Snowden at least a little thanks.

[ProSense]

5. Go ahead,

"Let's concentrate on that unavoidable truth, though, shall we? Government collection of the flotsam and jetsam of Americans' daily life isn't constitutionally authorized, and will come to an end one way or the other. To that end, we owe Mr. Snowden at least a little thanks."

...no one is preventing that, and I'll pass on Snowden. He's a coward and a hack.

[cherokeeprogressive]

23. He's only a coward and a hack because you're afraid he makes President Obama look bad.

You're NOT fooling anyone. Each and every day puts this business farther and farther away from President Obama. You can slow down now...

Look, I've been rude to you before, and for that I'm going to issue a public apology right here and now. I apologize.

I do not believe for a second that Snowden's intent here was to embarrass President Obama OR his administration. Given what I've seen of your posts, I have to think your opinion is that's EXACTLY what he was intending to do. That's okay though; I understand where you're coming from.

Your constant posts claiming this or that about Snowden or Greenwald and how they're as evil as Lex Luthor give you away though. YOU think this IS about President Obama. It's not; it's about government actions many layers away from President Obama. NO DUers want this to bring shame on President Obama's administration, nor do they want it to taint his legacy. If you believe that to be untrue, I'd respectfully ask that you name names so we can get to the bottom. President Obama's name only comes up because he heads the Executive Branch.

For me, the implication made by dragging a ten mile wide net through the air trying to catch smoke means someone in "the government" has decided, by some strange and secret interpretation of Section 215 of the Patriot Act (which we're not privy to and which is something I find offensive) that we're all guilty and the government will treat us as such. Let us not forget that the acronym FISA stands for Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.

This isn't about President Obama, and it's not going away. Would that you could accept that for what it is.

[ProSense]

24. Obviously,

He's only a coward and a hack because you're afraid he makes President Obama look bad.

You're NOT fooling anyone. Each and every day puts this business farther and farther away from President Obama. You can slow down now...

Look, I've been rude to you before, and for that I'm going to issue a public apology right here and now. I apologize.

I do not believe for a second that Snowden's intent here was to embarrass President Obama OR his administration. Given what I've seen of your posts, I have to think your opinion is that's EXACTLY what he was intending to do. That's okay though; I understand where you're coming from.

Your constant posts claiming this or that about Snowden or Greenwald and how they're as evil as Lex Luthor give you away though. YOU think this IS about President Obama. It's not; it's about government actions many layers away from President Obama. NO DUers want this to bring shame on President Obama's administration, nor do they want it to taint his legacy. If you believe that to be untrue, I'd respectfully ask that you name names so we can get to the bottom. President Obama's name only comes up because he heads the Executive Branch.

...my opinion is causing you to become distressed, but I'm not going to stop voicing it.

[cherokeeprogressive]

26. At least you're not denying what your opinion IS. I find that refreshing. n/t

[ProSense]

34. Yup, see the OP. n/t

[cherokeeprogressive]

35. Been there, done that. Nothing new to see.

As I said before, you can slow down now... this isn't, nor has it ever been, about President Obama or his administration.

[ProSense]

36. Oh,

"As I said before, you can slow down now... this isn't, nor has it ever been, about President Obama or his administration. "

...my bad, I thought you realized that I would continue voicing my opinion. I mean, what's with the authoritarianish concern?

Also, do you realize that your opinion of my opinion is not my opinion?

[MADem]

52. He makes HIMSELF look bad. He's a loser, and so's his pal, Glenn Greenwald of the CATO Institute.

He joined BHA to steal. He said as much.

He demanded the WAPO publish specific material right when Obama was meeting with the new Chinese leader. He also ran to Hong Kong just-in-time to shit on those headlines AND deflect from the complaints that Obama had about intellectual property theft by the Chinese and the activities of PLA UNIT 31698.

He gave an interview with the SCMP--owned by a Beijing friendly Malay businessman; minority shareholder Rupert Murdoch--to a reporter who almost surely has connections with Beijing. Who knows how much of that conversation was off the record? We still don't know who put him up when he left the Hong Kong hotel, where he stayed, etc.

He has not demonstrated that he is a whistleblower--he comes off like someone who wants to blow the whole mess up, or who got paid to come off like someone who wanted to blow the whole mess up. He's made a lot of assertions, but he hasn't proven squat.

He's a Paulbot, he doesn't like social security or unemployment insurance, loves the legal prostitutes of Switzerland, and thinks he is a smart stock shorter...a real capitalist pig, if you ask me. He's in love with himself, and thinks he's much smarter than you, me, or anyone. As he washes his stinky skivvies out in a Moscow sink, I wonder how smart he's feeling these days?

His best bet is to plead brain injury as a consequence of the adult onset epilepsy he said he has (and how did that happen, I wonder?). That's about the only thing that might mitigate a long sentence.

[flamingdem]

56. wow! quote:SCMP--minority shareholder Rupert Murdoch

MADem you've been doing some great research! Swiss prostitutes, I missed that! This guy is a dysfunctional piglet, proving Putin right not enough wool to make it worth shearing (though for sure Putin is shearing him right now!)

Many things I didn't know here and I agree about the upcoming defense he's planning / his dad is planning using the epilepy as an excuse.

[Tarheel_Dem]

66. MADem is one of my faves. Always come prepared. "Swiss prostitutes"?

Thom Hartmann always said that Libertarians are just Republicans who want to smoke dope & get laid, but make no mistake, they are REPUBLICANS! It's the reason I don't trust any supposed "liberal" calling him/herself a "leftist civil libertarian", I don't think there is any such animal.

[flamingdem]

69. fast Eddie, he likes his prostitution legal and his

libertarianism left .. but but he's giving a scoop to a Murdoch paper, where's Karl Rove exactly right now, Russia?!

[Tarheel_Dem]

72. It all smells to high heaven, and it does have a certain Rovian stench to it.

The fact that certain loudmouthed liberals jumped on the Snowden bandwagon early on, will come back to embarrass the hell out of them, which is why it sometimes pays to wait until ALL the facts are in. I mean ALL the facts. It would probably have saved them from now having to lecture the rest of us that "THIS IS NOT ABOUT SNOWDEN".

[Whisp]

10. corporate america has more flotsam and jetsam as well. let's not overlook that.

if they had to look.

but people give away the most intimate details of their lives for free on Fb and all those other stupid things.

[cherokeeprogressive]

29. Facebook knows THIS about me:

I am Chris Nobody-Special.
I live at 12345 Easy Street, Uptown, CA.
My phone number is [phone].

If those are intimate details, let Facebook give them to the government so they can store them in perpetuity.

[Whisp]

31. the government already knows you. Don't you have a drivers license?

do you file taxes? I'm not sure what you mean, other than you don't like FB, I don't either.

But millions do.

[JDPriestly]

47. But your taxes and your drivers license information do not disclose

your political, social and religious affiliations. This metadata does.

Above all, this metadata that is being collected on journalists discloses their sources, their contacts around the world. That chills the freedom of journalists to collect the news.

Collecting the metadata on you and me can chill our political, social and religious affiliations, memberships and expression.

That's why I think this collection of metadata violates the First Amendment among other rights.

The case law I have seen deals with whether pen registers may be admitted into evidence in a criminal case. That is strictly Fourth (and maybe Fifth) Amendment, not the issues I am raising about the repression of freedom of speech, religion, assembly, association and above all press.

[Tx4obama]

17. But courts have ruled in the past that meta-data collected by a 3rd party (tele-coms) is not...

... is not protected by the 4th amendment.

So, unless a new law is passed - the only person that has committed felonious crimes is Snowden.

[sheshe2]

22. Oh God

a new OP~
Snowden the modern day Paul Revere.

[Tx4obama]

25. The link below ...

Here: http://sync.democraticunderground.com/10023124922

LOL

[flamingdem]

27. hawwww

perfect

Greenwald as Paul Revere

[Whisp]

33. you mean this Paul Revere?

Kicks!
If you keep on runnin', you're gonna have to pay the price!

[sheshe2]

38. Paul Revere and the Raiders~

Trip down memory lane!

Thanks Whisp!

[flamingdem]

40. Love, just love that song

That was was passed for edgy when I was 7 years old

[RebelOne]

70. Cherokee People was their best ever. n/t

[SunSeeker]

41. "Don't you see no matter what you do, you'll never run away from you..."

Great song.

[SunSeeker]

42. "Edward Snowden is a modern day Paul Revere with a thumb drive..."

Just saw that op. Wow, the Snowden worshipers really have jumped the shark...and all the while saying it is not about Snowden.

[sheshe2]

43. I know SunSeeker

Yikes

[cherokeeprogressive]

32. Courts have ruled that murder is against the law... but it happens every day.

Courts have ruled that bribery is against the law, but it happens every day.

Courts have ruled that speeding is a ticketable offense, but it happens every minute of every day.

What's your point? Is it that the government never breaks the law?

Google ABSCAM. Fuck it... just for fun, Google The Gulf of Tonkin Incident.

Because you keep trumpeting the government would never do anything that was against the law, I'm supposed to be comforted?

[ProSense]

37. That makes no sense. n/t

[JDPriestly]

46. I haven't seen a case that determined that the random and comprehensive

collection of meta-data collected by the government or a government contractor passes constitutional muster.

I don't think it can. I think it discourages the exercise of free speech and makes a free press impossible among other things.

I base my opinion on my knowledge of the experience of Eastern Europe and the USSR during the Cold War.

Surveillance, and that would include collecting this metadata has a tendency to silence people after time.

[grasswire]

6. another blast of conjecture

Russia may.....

...if as is widely believed....

yada yada yada

[Arctic Dave]

7. Snowden is a hero.

All the hacks in the world won't be able to change that.

[Whisp]

12. A real hero is nearing the end of his life, Mandela.

To call the two the same word is.........

fill in the blank with your word and let me know.

[Arctic Dave]

15. Both are heroes.

You want to put your own narrow view of who you think deserves that title but any logical person would say heroes come in all forms.

[Whisp]

18. Mandela has years of recognition and he is known well to scores around the world.

Who is Snowden? We don't even know who he is and don't know if he has even done what he has claimed or what he has done could possible cause great harm to many.

No, that's no hero. That's a half baked want to be hero, trying to be hero. That's not what they are made of.

[Arctic Dave]

20. Snowden is just beginning.

Mandela was once just an uppity black to the white authority.

[Whisp]

21. I wouldn't depend on a crystal ball to ensure Snowden's heroism on that kind of level. n/t

[DCBob]

49. LOL!!

this guy is a phony 2-bit hacker who saw an opportunity to make some news.

[Tarheel_Dem]

67. Naomi Wolfe, who used to be a liberal "hero", agrees with you. Of course, she met...

with a tragic end, here at LU.

[leftstreet]

8. Obama promised to strengthen whistleblower protections

Guess he didn't keep that promise if Snowden isn't confident enough to remain in the US

[Tx4obama]

19. But Snowden is NOT a whistleblower. Snowden is a 'leaker' and a felonous thief. n/t

[davidn3600]

30. Obama promised a transparent government

Instead he took over from where Bush left off and expanded it.

And Snowden proved it for us.

[Tarheel_Dem]

9. "Ecuadoran Co-President Julian Assange".

Hurry up & get that sum'mitch the hell outta my Embassy. I'm the President dammit!

[flamingdem]

14. Julian did it! No I did it! No

I luv the USA, now that's it

Not that I relish the fact that they have to buckle under the boot. However, if you're going to give the middle finger to the USA you have to have your ducks, and Assanges, in a row.

[Tarheel_Dem]

39. I know right? Correa's desire to embarrass the US, is biting him in the ass.

Now that he's got his own "leakers". He thinks the American media are poopyheads!

“They’ve managed to focus attention on Snowden and on the ‘wicked’ countries that ‘support’ him, making us forget the terrible things against the US people and the whole world that he denounced,” Correa said Wednesday in response to a Tuesday Washington Post editorial.

“The world order isn’t only unjust, it’s immoral,” Correa added.

The US newspaper accused Correa of adhering to double standards in the NSA leaker case, as Ecuador is considering harboring Snowden from prosecution over US espionage charges. It descried the Ecuadoran president as “the autocratic leader of a tiny, impoverished” country with an ambition to replace the late Venezuelan leader Hugo Chavez as “the hemisphere’s preeminent anti-US demagogue”.


The Washington Post lashed out at a legislation recently adopted by Ecuador, saying that it diminishes freedom of press. It also said Ecuador is profiting from duty-free trade with the US while criticizing Washington’s policies.

http://rt.com/news/ecuador-correa-us-snowden-306/

It's ironic that it's the Washington Post, one of the only two newspapers that carried the initial story, favorable to Snowden. Correa's a big old phoney. I wish we could withdraw trade with all the countries involved. China's everybody's piggy bank, let them support the world.

For someone who relishes in airing the dirty laundry of the US, he's made sure his media can't air his. We don't get to know his secrets. Smart.

[JDPriestly]

45. We need to focus more on producing products others want to buy and less

on defending our lousy surveillance system.

I am responding to this:

It also said Ecuador is profiting from duty-free trade with the US while criticizing Washington’s policies.

Is the duty-free trade supposed to benefit Ecuador or is it a way to pacify the American public as our industry jobs are shipped to other countries? I tend to think it is the latter. The duty-free trade is as important to Americans as it is to Ecuador. We aren't doing Ecuador some kind of big favor with our free-trade agreement. We are helping ourselves to cheap labor costs.

[Tarheel_Dem]

68. Whatever the reason, they're running away from Snowden as fast as possible.

Our trade imbalance with Ecuador, notwithstanding, they need our dollars and that goes for Venezuela, and Cuba by proxy. Being the world's largest economy has its perks, and its pitfalls. But feel free to start your own thread, and flesh those things out, if you like?

[flamingdem]

58. Yeah, what's up with WAPO helping Snowden out?

>> from post 51 by MADem above

He demanded the WAPO publish specific material right when Obama was meeting with the new Chinese leader. He also ran to Hong Kong just-in-time to shit on those headlines AND deflect from the complaints that Obama had about intellectual property theft by the Chinese and the activities of PLA UNIT 31698.

He gave an interview with the SCMP--owned by a Beijing friendly Malay businessman; minority shareholder Rupert Murdoch--to a reporter who almost surely has connections with Beijing. Who knows how much of that conversation was off the record? We still don't know who put him up when he left the Hong Kong hotel, where he stayed, etc.

He has not demonstrated that he is a whistleblower--he comes off like someone who wants to blow the whole mess up, or who got paid to come off like someone who wanted to blow the whole mess up. He's made a lot of assertions, but he hasn't proven squat.

He's a Paulbot, he doesn't like social security or unemployment insurance, loves the legal prostitutes of Switzerland, and thinks he is a smart stock shorter...a real capitalist pig, if you ask me. He's in love with himself, and thinks he's much smarter than you, me, or anyone. As he washes his stinky skivvies out in a Moscow sink, I wonder how smart he's feeling these days?

[HipChick]

28. LMAO!

[Thinkingabout]

11. Let Snowden stay where ever they are willing to keep a scumbag thief. If he returns to the USA we

will have to spend money to try him, pay for his defense, pay for the sentence to be carried out and he is just not worth the cost.

[kentuck]

13. Strange things can happen in Moscow...

[JDPriestly]

44. In my view the best policy in a democracy would be to simply say out loud

(or in print) what the government is and is not doing right now in language everyone can understand.

The terrorists already know what is going on. It is the American people who are confused and ill informed.

Just tell us. If we don't feel it is right, if we feel it is too comprehensive or too arbitrary or maybe not comprehensive enough or not arbitrary enough, let us decide with the way we vote for our Congress and our president. We are grown-ups. We can decide this.

Everything our government does should have our consent. If it doesn't then the government is acting incorrectly and not consistently with democratic values.

The Obama administration should not have waited until a Snowden came forth to simply tell Americans what it was doing with regard to surveillance. This omission on the part of the administration (not on the part of Obama personally but on the part of his NSA and military staffs) has caused many of us including me to distrust what is said about the conduct of NSA and the Obama administration on this topic. Why weren't we apprised long ago of the changes that the Obama administration made. Why aren't we told the criteria that the NSA uses when it places people under surveillance.

Ignorance sets imaginations running wild. It is perfectly normal for people to believe the worst when they discover they have been lied to, fooled and tricked. That is especially true when the liar and tricker is the government.

I definitely feel that I have been lied to. I want to know precisely what the parameters are that determine whether the government will snoop on my personal communications and activities. What does the government consider to be dangerous conduct that justifies reading my personal e-mails (not that they would find much of interest)? How can I make sure than all of my conduct frees me of fear from repression from the government? If I cannot know what conduct or language to avoid in order to avoid surveillance, how can I avoid that conduct or language?

[Flying Squirrel]

48. I wonder

What you would do if the smiley were taken away from you.

[ProSense]

53. I'd

LOL!

[ProSense]

54. Also: It's not about Smiley.

[DCBob]

50. I think Eddie needs to spend a few years in the Moscow transit zone.

That might help clear his head on who are the real enemies of freedom.

[flamingdem]

63. That'll drain his laptops

[whatchamacallit]

57. ProSense: "I stand with Jimmy Carter"

Sure you do...

[cali]

60. lol. she's a good little....

[ProSense]

62. Are you making a point?

You forgot the link.

[cali]

64. no need for a link. and I think you know precisely what my point is. n/t

[ProSense]

65. No,

"no need for a link. and I think you know precisely what my point is."

...I don't (you're the mind reader), but I could pick one: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=152034&sub=trans

[ProSense]

61. whatchamacallit: Sure you do...

Lame.

[Scurrilous]

59. Blue link nirvana.

Thanks.

[ProSense]

71. Homage!