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What if a black Neighbohood watch shot can killed an Unarmed white teen? (Original Post) DearAbby Jun 2013 OP
No, his execution would have been a while ago, and long forgotten. Scuba Jun 2013 #1
There would be two dead people. And the watch's family would have to leave town. Hoyt Jun 2013 #2
as an aside- the Guardian Angels in NYC NO GUNS/NO BULLETS saved many people over the years graham4anything Jun 2013 #7
That is a good point about Guardian Angels. If only our gun cultists had their guts. Hoyt Jun 2013 #8
What if a Jewish professional baseball player garroted an Ecuadorian bio-engineer. egduj Jun 2013 #3
No, even in stand your ground territories treestar Jun 2013 #4
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2013 #5
Not that racist BS again. Hoyt Jun 2013 #9
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2013 #10
Zimmerman was not on "his roof or other property" that belonged to him JI7 Jun 2013 #29
So long as we have the history we have, where white men and families MichiganVote Jun 2013 #6
Stand your ground is not part of the Zimmerman case. Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #14
In the minds of the Black community it is very much a part of this case. MichiganVote Jun 2013 #15
We would say whites can't be victims of racism and because of the past probably had it coming The Straight Story Jun 2013 #11
+1 NaturalHigh Jun 2013 #13
Would the neighborhood watch tell 9-11 Gman Jun 2013 #12
What if the black neighborhood watchman shot a hispanic? ileus Jun 2013 #16
It's not exactly that situation, but here's one... cigsandcoffee Jun 2013 #17
This was interesting too. NaturalHigh Jun 2013 #18
in this case the guy who got shot was the one who came towards the people JI7 Jun 2013 #26
We would never be having this conversation because said black neighborhood watchman Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #19
Is everyone who defends Zimmerman a bigot? NaturalHigh Jun 2013 #21
Not everyone alcibiades_mystery Jun 2013 #22
Of course not, but believing that race had absolutely NOTHING to do with what went down... Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #23
Nope. We would not be having this discussion. Apophis Jun 2013 #20
CORRECT Skittles Jun 2013 #24
as i said before, it would be like the Ariel Castro case JI7 Jun 2013 #25
death penalty BainsBane Jun 2013 #27
Prolly not. But people are murdered everyday and little is said. Inkfreak Jun 2013 #28
He would have been arrested and charged.. Notafraidtoo Jun 2013 #30
 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
7. as an aside- the Guardian Angels in NYC NO GUNS/NO BULLETS saved many people over the years
Sat Jun 29, 2013, 09:11 PM
Jun 2013

It is always the guns and bullets that become the problem, isn't it?

zimmy with a tennis ball and nobody dies
zimmy out there with his gun and bullet and what happened could have been predicted by a 2nd grader.

egduj

(805 posts)
3. What if a Jewish professional baseball player garroted an Ecuadorian bio-engineer.
Sat Jun 29, 2013, 08:57 PM
Jun 2013

What conversation would we be having then?

Response to DearAbby (Original post)

Response to Hoyt (Reply #9)

 

MichiganVote

(21,086 posts)
6. So long as we have the history we have, where white men and families
Sat Jun 29, 2013, 09:08 PM
Jun 2013

lynched black men and youth and actually made it a social affair, there is and never will be a black mother or father who will trust that justice will be found in this case.

Today's "lynching" of Black youth comes in the form of ridiculous prison sentences for black youth who do not commit criminal assault/murder. The 'stand your ground law' in the case of Trayvon Martin is putting this to the test. I don't believe that is laws intent but apparently George Zimmerman wants us to believe that it is.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
14. Stand your ground is not part of the Zimmerman case.
Sat Jun 29, 2013, 09:52 PM
Jun 2013

It's just not. Read up on it. I agree with the rest of what you are saying, but this case does not involve the use of a 'stand your ground' defense.

The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
11. We would say whites can't be victims of racism and because of the past probably had it coming
Sat Jun 29, 2013, 09:24 PM
Jun 2013

Or something like that ... especially if the teen was male. If it was a female it would only be due to sexism. Christian and shooter wasn't? No problem, christians can never be discriminated against because other christians did bad things.

Someone would probably claim he went all paula deen and said an offensive word which triggered a deep issue ingrained through years of racism and the shooter should be cut some slack.

We would blame an innocent person based on the past of other people and assign guilt to them based on their race and not on the person was (that is only ok in some circumstances as noted, otherwise it is bigotry and stereotyping)...

Gman

(24,780 posts)
12. Would the neighborhood watch tell 9-11
Sat Jun 29, 2013, 09:25 PM
Jun 2013

F*****g cracker and refuse to do what 9-11 says and continue to follow?

cigsandcoffee

(2,300 posts)
17. It's not exactly that situation, but here's one...
Sat Jun 29, 2013, 11:06 PM
Jun 2013
http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/story/17717626/taco-bell-shooting-victim-was-holding-leash-not-weapon-04042012

About 7:30 p.m., a 22-year-old man and his girlfriend ordered food at the Taco Bell drive-thru and were told to pull up while their order was prepared.

At the same time, Adkins stepped around a corner into the path of the vehicle and angry words were exchanged between he and the driver.

They got into an altercation and Adkins was shot once by the driver. He died at the scene. The driver, a 22-year-old black male, called police but has not been arrested.

At first, the couple claimed that Adkins had a metal pipe that he swung at them -- but it turns out he was holding a dog leash with his yellow lab on the other end.



The victim was, ironically, a "white-Hispanic." Take it as you will.

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
18. This was interesting too.
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 12:10 AM
Jun 2013
The shooter's name has not been released. The investigation is still ongoing.

How long was George Zimmerman's name withheld from the public?

BTW...since this has been a while, do you know if the shooter was ever arrested?

JI7

(89,249 posts)
26. in this case the guy who got shot was the one who came towards the people
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 05:15 AM
Jun 2013

in the car.

it wasn't a case of the shooter going after the person they shot .

sadly the victim seemed to be someone who had mental problems. the shooter should have rolled up his windows and called the cops.



 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
19. We would never be having this conversation because said black neighborhood watchman
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 12:11 AM
Jun 2013

would be on death row. You know it. I know it. And the bigots here and everywhere defending Zimmerman also know it; they're just too cowardly to admit it.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
22. Not everyone
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 12:22 AM
Jun 2013

But it's close.

Of course, nobody is a bigot anymore, broad brush and all that, tra la la.

I would say it's pretty fucking close. 99 out of 100.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
23. Of course not, but believing that race had absolutely NOTHING to do with what went down...
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 12:24 AM
Jun 2013

...well, sometimes I wonder.

JI7

(89,249 posts)
25. as i said before, it would be like the Ariel Castro case
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 05:09 AM
Jun 2013

we may hear about it , but there would be no debate on his guilt. no "you weren't there so you don't know" (therefore we have to accept everything shooter says).

BainsBane

(53,032 posts)
27. death penalty
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 05:16 AM
Jun 2013

The cops would have arrested him on the spot, and prosecutors would try him for capital murder. He's likely be convicted and sitting on death row by now.

Inkfreak

(1,695 posts)
28. Prolly not. But people are murdered everyday and little is said.
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 05:31 AM
Jun 2013

And with the dozens of threads about Zimmerman, who has time?

Notafraidtoo

(402 posts)
30. He would have been arrested and charged..
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 06:58 AM
Jun 2013

No one would be arguing that the shooter was innocent even if everything happened exactly the same. Racist gun nuts don't like it when black people have guns.

Remember when the Black panthers stormed into the state Capitol with rifles,gun legislation happened in record time LOL. I have never heard a NRA Republican ever champion what the panthers did.

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