"Uh Oh … Ecuador Throws Snowden Under Bus"

[Cha]

Josh Marshall- July 1, 2013, 8:15 PM

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The government of Ecuador had already been distancing itself from Edward Snowden’s cause. But now the country’s President, Rafael Correa, has gone as far as to say that his government never intended to facilitate Snowden’s journey from Hong Kong to Moscow. He now says his consul in London, apparently in league with Assange, was freelancing. This comes after Snowden released a statement thanking the Ecuadorean government for making his flight (in both sense of the word possible).

According to this interview with The Guardian, Correa says that the decision to issue Snowden a temporary travel pass was done by the country’s consul in London Fidel Narvaez, under whose protection Julian Assange is now staying, without authorization. He also seems to suggest that Assange was acting in concert with Narvaez to make this happen.

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Correa added his government had not, and would not, give Snowden an authorised travel document to extract himself from the airport. “The right of asylum request is one thing but helping someone travel from one country to another — Ecuador has never done this. ”

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http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2013/07/uh_oh_ecuador_throws_snowden_under_bus.php?ref=fpblg

Is this what has Snowden so full of Ignorant Whining from Moscow?

[SidDithers]

1. Sounds like Assange is running the show in London...

Can't imagine Correa is gonna like how that is perceived around the world.

Sid

[Tarheel_Dem]

3. Sid, I love your tag line! It's funny and sad. People started throwing around the....

lynching metaphor, kinda willy nilly. They have no idea the true impact of that term.

[SidDithers]

14. Thanks!...

Sid

[treestar]

7. LOL your sig line

And Julian stepping in to serve his new country - aww, idn't dat sweet? Why I bet it's free of charge!

[SidDithers]

16. Wonder how much interference Ecuador is going to put up with...

before asking Assange to make new housing arrangements.

Sid

[Cha]

8. OMGoodness! I hadn't noticed your sig line!

Brilliant!

Yes, Correa is now letting it be known who exactly is running the show. And, it's not Ass-ange from the Ecuadorian Embassy in London.

[SidDithers]

11. It's new. Changed it about 5 minutes ago...

Hope it captures a bit of the ridiculous hyperbole being thrown around here lately.

Sid

[Cha]

22. It captures it beautifully, Sid..

[sheshe2]

27. Snort~

There's ridiculous hyperbole around here?

Ah Sid, ya kid me, right~

[tammywammy]

12. That sig line

[SidDithers]

17. Heheh...

Sid

[arely staircase]

64. yeah, well played on the sig.

Its like making Spartacus go to the back of the bus.

[Thinkingabout]

2. Guess the world is not opening their arms to the criminal, he has betrayed his country and would

not be a good citizen in other countries. Don't know where he will end. He might be very willing to give himself up just to have some peace of mind.

[Cha]

4. Indeed, who knows where he'll end up? Right now he's doing some major whining and

cheap ignorant pot shots at the Obama Admin from the Moscow Airport.

[Thinkingabout]

9. I thought it was interesting he now tells Obama how to do his job when Snowden screwed up what he

was supposed to be doing.

[Cha]

15. Yeah, "Obama's messing with my getaway".. wah wah wah.. "I'm not hiding from Justice"

"I haven't been convicted of anything".. no shit, genius.

Narcissistic, arrogant authoritarian.

[flamingdem]

35. Maybe he should have called the wahambulance

He actually said: "Obama deceived me"

Obama derangement syndrome of a very serious strain!

[Cha]

41. Leaker is using inflamatory anti-Obama rhetoric to get his

his fans' juices flowing. Scam man in Moscow.

Arrogant prick

[flamingdem]

47. Hadn't quite seen that, could it be GeeGee coming up with that copy?

It's probably Assange, he's blowing it left right and center right now. Even has poor Snowden's dad mad.

[Cha]

50. It's unfreaking real. Ass-ange and Snowden are so mad..

at Pres Obama and VP Biden.

[Tarheel_Dem]

6. I predicted that wherever he winds up, he'll be closely monitored, and they probably....

will take away any internet access on suspicion that he might hack their secrets, and go on another world tour. That's an awful thought, but it's a life I wouldn't want.

[flamingdem]

29. Word is that Evo Morales might take him

so he'll be up on the altiplano of Bolivia raising llamas, hope he doesn't get altitude sickness.

[Tarheel_Dem]

33. OMG. It's just gets worse, doesn't it? Fuckin' Bolivia?

[flamingdem]

37. I can believe it. Bolivia is very pissed at the USA and Kerry called them

the USA's backyard.. oops. So they shut down USAID programs. They're so far away and unknown that they can't much be hurt by having the little leaker down there.

I can see him in one of those little beanie hats in a canoe!

[Tarheel_Dem]

42. Well, I wish him the best of luck with that!

[VanillaRhapsody]

52. He sure hadn't considered that doing what he did would make him not very trustworthy to other

to other countries....wonder how long before he wears out his welcome at the Moscow Airport?

[flamingdem]

57. Well they must be spending some extra rubles on his security

Putin will decide with a calculator

[Major Hogwash]

56. Why? Did the U.S. cancel a big guacamole order, or something??

Guacamole prices will probably shoot sky high now, huh?

[Purveyor]

5. Whether Snowden gets asylum or not doesn't matter one wit as the fact is...ALL the data he

carried out of is country has already be distributed far and wide.

I seriously hope no one thinks he still has 'some secrets' that China and Russia are not already been provided.

Really?

[Tarheel_Dem]

10. I think everyone assumes any secrets he had have already been given up. Hence, the....

reason he's having trouble finding a home. He's outlived his usefulness as far as they're concerned.

[Purveyor]

31. Well, he will certainly have a footnote in history in regards USA hypocrisy and the

desecration of the 4th amendment.

But then again, I guess the current admin took Cheney's words to heart, "the Constitution is nothing but a goddamn piece of paper".

Sadly, too many on this forum are good with THAT.

I'm not.

[Tarheel_Dem]

38. This board sounds creepily like the Ron/Rand Paul site. "Constitution". "Illegal...

wiretapping". "Snowden's a Hero". Blah...blah...blah...

I'm not sure what your 4th amendment rights have to do with spilling US intelligence to the Chinese & the Russians, it must be in the fine print?

[Purveyor]

53. Yes, many such as you attempt to stifle debate on this situation by invoking names such as

"Ron/Rand Paul".

What is next? LaRouche, Hitler, Stalin?

[Tarheel_Dem]

59. Quite the opposite, they're certainly not "stifled" here. In fact, they brag about it.

"Take a look on Democratic Underground

They have the gov't paid trolls out, trying to limit the outrage & rebellion on there.

If that is the reaction of hard core Dems to the news stories on the NSA, I want to stoke up some more of it.

Lots of traffic on DU.

It's the most popular Dem internet site, except for Huffy Po - where everything meaningful gets censored."

http://www.dailypaul.com/288556/clapper-and-feinstein-get-caught-lying-big-time#comment-3103138

You'll get no "Larouche, Hitler, Stalin" from me.

[Live and Learn]

65. +1 nt

[David__77]

13. Snowden got his order messed up.

The right order is: get asylum first, then spill the beans.

[flamingdem]

25. True!

He really needed to hire someone with smarts, not the guy living in a closet at the Ecuadoran Embassy in London!

[Enrique]

18. serves him right for besmirching Obama n/t

[CakeGrrl]

24. He's not besmirching, he's whining.

He was a data stealer from the go.

That he's now lashing out against Obama is predictable, but a failure of his own long-term thinking.

This isn't a game. If you give classified documents to foreign countries, there are legal consequences. If he or anyone else didn't realize that, then they were really under a rock.

[Cha]

26. Snowden's lying.. says "he's not hiding from justice" from the Moscow Airport.

Snowden's words mean shit.

[VanillaRhapsody]

68. He also seems to think "passport = citizenship" so much for what he thinks!

[CakeGrrl]

19. The real bottom line is that

most can see Snowden for what he is: An untrustworthy sellout.

He calls it 'fighting for freedom' to stir the emotions and maybe get Greenwald some contributions, and then he goes peddling his wares to the Chinese and Russians.

He destroyed his own credibility, selling out to nations who are the antithesis of what he claimed to be doing this for in the first place. These world leaders may be many things, but gullible isn't one of them.

[flamingdem]

23. They're still discussing his fate in Moscow

Maybe Evo Morales of Bolivia will take him. They have a Libertarian Retraining Camp there too! And maybe he could learn to farm llamas?

[Tarheel_Dem]

28. "These world leaders may be many things, but gullible isn't one of them."

Which is why Putin, in essence, told him to STFU or move on. He has to know that none of these governments trust him at all. He's shown what he's capable of, and when they've gotten what they want, they don't want to deal with him anymore.

[VanillaRhapsody]

69. Exactly what Greenwald and Assange will do as well

when he is done being their patsy that is...

[Cha]

32. Putin actually said Snowden could stay but he had to stop LEAKS

on the USA. Unreal, Cake!

[flamingdem]

20. Assange and his buddy Narvaez have some 'splainin

to do. Or not. But who cares Joe Biden and Rafael Correa are buddies now!

[Cha]

36. Snowden had a special whine for VP Biden..

The message also accuses Vice President Biden of pressuring foreign leaders to deny his extradition requests.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014524412

[flamingdem]

39. Excellent. Oldies but badies. This lets us know Biden really did change Correa's tune

[Cha]

45. I gotta love Joe! Joe and Barack.. got our backs! nm

[sheshe2]

54. Thank god for that

since the other players...Snowden, Greenwald and maybe Assange want to stick us in the back!

Great OP Cha!

[Cha]

55. Thanks she..

Most definitely, Assange. they have their own agendas and it's not for our Voting Rights, Women's rights, the safety of our country or anything else except bringing down the President and our country.

Imperfect as things are.. we do have someone in our White House who actually is trying his most brilliant damndest to make it better.

[sheshe2]

58. Bingo!

[Mojorabbit]

21. There is an echo in here. nt

[kentuck]

30. From the pop-up ad...

Retire in Ecuador?
=============

http://www1.internationalliving.com/sem/country/ecuador/google/content/cuenca-lp.html?gclid=CPiI06vyj7gCFegWMgodfWIA1Q

[flamingdem]

40. Ecuador is the hotspot for retirement now

But it's no longer the hot spot for spies ever since Raffie chatted with Joe.

[railsback]

34. I hear Somalia is a Libertarian paradise

Of course, he'd probably get beheaded in half an hour for his wallet...

[flamingdem]

43. Maybe Uganda?

Paraguay?

C'mon there must be some place willing to take the lil' leaker

[railsback]

49. The shitter seems like a good home for a lil' leaker

[Cha]

44. What Snowden is going for is.. to get his fans' wallets

OPEN!

[Tarheel_Dem]

46. Oh Lord, that's all we need. They'd swear Obama put 'em up to it, and made it look....

like a mugging gone wrong. Have you seen the Hastings CT's?

[railsback]

48. All I see is Wiki going all Greenwald

and losing relevance fast.

[Tarheel_Dem]

51. Wiki jumped on this kid's bandwagon, precisely because they were increasingly irrelevant.

His father spoke disparagingly of Wiki, and feels they're facilitating his latest moves.

[DeSwiss]

60. It's so sad to see how far we've fallen.....

''For it is often easier to fight for principles than to live up to them.'' ~Adlai Stevenson, 1952

[caseymoz]

61. Smokescreen.

Though Putin gave him an open message when he said stop making Washington angry. He was telling Snowden to shut up and get back underground.

I think Russia and Ecuador hadn't planned on Snowden breaking to the surface again, so now they're doing their best song-and-dance. I mean, they had him well hid. Nobody knew where he was. I think whatever they're saying now, it's because Snowden is unwisely not staying out of sight and out of mind. I mean, just Friday, Obama was saying Snowden was no big issue. I thought the government, at least the politicians, wanted him forgotten as an embarrassment.

But I knew there was trouble Saturday when his father spoke to the press about negotiating with US government about his son's terms for surrender. He made demands like no gag order. Not a good move, and it shows he doesn't understand how poor his hand is dealing with the US government.

I admire what the guy did, but he's ill-equipped emotionally for major international intrigue, no doubt about it.

[go west young man]

62. Weird responses on this thread.

Is this Democratic Underground or an NSA circle jerk thrown by the Carlyle Group? You would never read responses like this on DU back when it began. It used to have truly radical left wingers with amazing posts back then. I miss some of those great posters.

[Cha]

63. We have intelligent posters on this thread who are not taken in by

the Scam man in Moscow. They're interested in reality.. not just how they can yell at the machine.

The news of Pres Correa in Ecuador not issuing him a travel pass after all the brouhaha over Assange trying to slip one by is more history on his big sneak to China.. then Russia.

[LittleBlue]

66. If Bush was in power, it would be exactly the opposite

The focus would solely be on the NSA spying.

Since it's Obama, like you said, we get the circle jerk.

[Tarheel_Dem]

67. A bit of hyperbole? DU was never the place for groupthink that you're romanticizing. There has....

always been an array of political thought, from very conservative Dems to the most liberal. Stop making crap up. And if you really miss that mythical DU of Yore, the good news for you is that no one is forced to post here, and certainly not in threads that offend you. A lot of "great posters" in this thread. Perhaps the "truly radical left wingers" got real?