Bob Cesca desconstructs Snowden's message from Moscow

[Cha]

Snowden Emerges with Bizarre New Remarks, Implies that He Might Be Assassinated

snip***

Snowden continued:

While the public has cried out support of my shining a light on this secret system of injustice, the Government of the United States of America responded with an extrajudicial man-hunt costing me my family, my freedom to travel, and my right to live peacefully without fear of illegal aggression.

There’s a lot to unpack in that sentence, so let’s start at the beginning

When Snowden wrote that he shined “a light on this secret system of injustice,” we can assume he meant that he was just one of many people who have shined lights on the NSA. As others have noted, the data mining process has been well documented by a variety of reporters and authors pre-Snowden. The FISA court warrants, overseas wiretaps, the minimization process, metadata collection — it’s all been written about before and received with varying degrees of public outrage.

[div class="excerpt"]When Snowden wrote that he shined “a light on this secret system of injustice,” we can assume he meant that he was just one of many people who have shined lights on the NSA. As others have noted, the data mining process has been well documented by a variety of reporters and authors pre-Snowden. The FISA court warrants, overseas wiretaps, the minimization process, metadata collection — it’s all been written about before and received with varying degrees of public outrage.

Next, Snowden wrote that the United States engaged in “an extrajudicial manhunt.” Extrajudicial manhunt? What the hell is that supposed to mean? Not to jump too far ahead, but he wrote something similar in the Wikileaks statement in which he accused the United States of using “extralegal” methods. What exactly has the U.S. done in pursuit of Snowden that’s fallen outside the bounds of the law? Nothing that we’re aware of, and if he has proof of illegal activity, he should let us know

snip***

And finally, Snowden wrote, “I remain free and able to publish information that serves the public interest.” Obviously, he has more documents he intends to release to the press. However, this contradicts a tweet posted by Glenn Greenwald: “NOTE: Snowden’s leak is basically done. It’s newspapers – not Snowden – deciding what gets disclosed and in what sequence.” In other words, Snowden’s got nothing left and isn’t deciding what to publish.

These guys need to get their stories straight.

Later, Greenwald clarified with a twisty bit of verbal gymnastics: “I didn’t say Snowden couldn’t leak more documents if he wanted to.” Oh, so the “leak is basically done” is kind of like “mostly dead.”

***end snip

Much more.. the whole article is interesting from a reaily point of view..
http://thedailybanter.com/2013/07/snowden-emerges-with-new-remarks-implies-that-he-might-be-assassinated/

From Bob.. "Before these statements were released, Jonathan Capehart wrote that Snowden had “jumped the shark” by “flirting with Russia.” I appreciate the observation, but it wasn’t the first time and I’m afraid there are many more sharks still waiting to be jumped."

Snowden's a liar.. some people got that at the beginning.. when his resume was exposed.. now he's just playin' to his crowd.

[Tx4obama]

1. Great article - EVERYONE on DU should take the time to read the full thing

Especially liked the paragraph below...

-snip-

I don’t know who’s advising him right now, but it’s not working out very well. Not only has Greenwald had to backpedal because of Snowden’s latest emergence, but Snowden has also flummoxed his own credibility with these ludicrous missives. Suddenly his remarks about being able to wiretap the president have a little more eye-opening context. He might know his way around his computer, but he’s totally delusional and naive. My concern since all of this began was that the left was too eagerly grappling onto an unknown quantity without vetting him — canonizing a hero without knowing the full extent of what he was up to. Since then, he’s made numerous questionable claims and leaked documents that have little or nothing to do with American civil liberties. If nothing else, these two new letters should raise some very serious red flags in the case of Edward Snowden.

-snip-

http://thedailybanter.com/2013/07/snowden-emerges-with-new-remarks-implies-that-he-might-be-assassinated/

[Cha]

2. Exactly, Tx.. the message from Moscow

is nothing more than slick marketing in my view. And, I was really glad to see Bob Cesca deconctructing the hell out of it!

[KittyWampus]

47. It seems he's found a few "inconsistencies" in Greenwald's statements.

[Cha]

55. Yes, more than a few disingenuous claims, Kitty. nm

[Number23]

3. K&R His recent remarks have definitely been bizarre and disturbing

I think the pressure of all of this is really starting to get to him. He's away from his comfort zone with half the world on his tail. I would not want to be in his shoes for anything.

[Cha]

4. Mahalo 23.. It's really disturbing to me that Snowden's throwing all these

lies out there from Moscow and I think Bob Cesca does a great job of exposing them. This needs to be nipped in the bud before his "extralegal/extrajudical" lies are repeated so often they're taken as fact.

I bet they already are in some circles.

[freshwest]

5. As soon as Snowden loses his value to Koch brothers, he will meet the fate of other straw dogs:

Straw dog

Chapter 5 of the Tao Te Ching begins with the lines "Heaven and Earth are heartless / treating creatures like straw dogs".

Or in another version, translations vary:

"Heaven and earth are ruthless, and treat the myriad creatures as straw dogs; the sage is ruthless, and treats the people as straw dogs.[3]

Su Ch'e commentary on this verse explains: "Heaven and Earth are not partial. They do not kill living things out of cruelty or give them birth out of kindness.

We do the same when we make straw dogs to use in sacrifices. We dress them up and put them on the altar, but not because we love them.

And when the ceremony is over, we throw them into the street, but not because we hate them."[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_dog

This to me is the story of Assange and Snowden, and whoever else will be waved in front of our noses to be adored for a while, then out of sight and forgotten. There is a purpose behind this, not about protecting anyone's rights but those of the billionaires.



The US Government is not taking away my rights but the Koch brothers, ALEC and boat load of theocrats and corporatists are. But women in the United States are losing their privacy rights and basic liberties right now.

But it doesn't mean a flying fuck to these guys. We must be living in Animal Farm. All animals are created equal. But some are more equal than others. Assange and Snowden's rights and the alleged danger to them are with the pigs who run the farm. Meanwhile, real despair is being felt by the rest of us.

This whole charade is a mockery of rights by those who have never faced what women, minorities, gays and the poor suffer. Those on the media bandwagon with them are grifters and narcissists. The fact tthey are playing footsie with the same groups committing in your face theft of rights to so many, is just sickening.

Yes, I can chew gum and walk down the street at the same time. This is not worth my time, saving the rights of people that can literally change things instead of being entertainment fodder to keep people going in circles, and off what's happening to us, are a proper use of passion, energy and focus.

The Snowden road show is just another long-running, crooked circus. He's either a fool or an operative for the Kochtopus. It will end when it's decided by those who set it up that it's not longer a good investment.

JMHO.

[Cha]

7. Exactly, fresh! It's Koch bros who are trying to annihilate basic

liberties. Not the US Government(read Pres Obama) that Snowden hates with a thousand burning suns!

I think Bob Cesca did an excellent job of pointing out the ridiculous fantasy that Snowden is spinning.

Mahalo fresh

[freshwest]

52. Yes! But a fantasy that is not his alone. And it's trending, too.

[sheshe2]

6. The ONLY interests that are being served here...

And finally, Snowden wrote, “I remain free and able to publish information that serves the public interest.”

are Snowden's own. Not this Countries, not this Nations not it's Peoples.

Injustice Edward, you did it for the injustice?

You put the family and friends that you left behind in jeopardy. You profess to love love them, yet you ran with your countries secrets.You ran Edward, you did not stand for your convictions. You ran like a thief in the night. You have leaked, maybe sold them to this Countries enemies.

You are a fool and a well used tool Edward. You have no honor. You sold your country for a few pieces of silver.

Thank you Cha for this great article from Bob Cesca.

[Cha]

8. Snowden did flee like a thief in the night, she..

and now he's spinning like an outta control top to weasel out of it. He knows he has Greenwald and Assange out there throwing poison darts at the USA too. Raising funds for his continued "Grand Hypocrisy Tour".. wherever that may end up.

Pres Obama has already stated that he wasn't going to be wheeling and dealing to get him back or flying any airplanes. Snowden has a narcissistic view of himself.

Obama: No wheeling or dealing to extradite Snowden


President Barack Obama and Senegalese President Macky Sall leave after a... ((AP Photo/Evan Vucci))

"DAKAR, Senegal—The United States won't be scrambling military jets or engaging in high-level diplomatic bartering to get National Security Agency leaker Edward Snowden extradited to the U.S., President Barack Obama said Thursday.

Dismissing him as "a 29-year-old hacker," Obama sought to downplay the international chase for Snowden, lowering the temperature of an issue that has already raised tensions between the U.S. and uneasy partners Russia and China.

Obama said the damage to U.S. national security has already been done and his top focus now is making sure it can't happen again."

http://www.denverpost.com/hochman/ci_23550372/obama-no-wheeling-or-dealing-extradite-snowden

So Snowden can whine his damn delusional head off.. he obviously means bupkis to Pres Obama. that must scorch his hide.

[freshwest]

11. However, the usual suspects are getting media attention now, instead of helping people:

Paul Ryan Rips Obama Administration Over Edward Snowden, And Says It's Getting 'More And More Incompetent

I won't post the dreckt that this latest ratfucking operation gave Lyin' Ryan a chance to pretend that he's competent...

Read more:

http://www.businessinsider.com/paul-ryan-obama-edward-snowden-russia-incompetent-2013-6#ixzz2Xrn8Llts

Night folks!

[Cha]

14. yeah, well we know paul ryan lies.. we learned that from his election campaign

and most knew it before.

[freshwest]

17. Wait! Wait! I found our savior following links. This guy is gonna fix everything, and he's close by!

Now that's a man you can count on!!

[Cha]

19. Yes, Canada! So beautiful.. but then so

is the USA! Fighting for Democracy is a beautiful thing.

[freshwest]

22. Oh, no, no. That Mountie is screen saver material!

[freshwest]

23. Wait! Wait! I thought Obama demanded he be drawn and quartered, and his head put on a stake!

I'm sure I read that somewhere. Thank goodness for the Eighth Amendment!

OTOH, Obama is being very disrespectful by calling him a hacker. How dare he?

Well, there's always BENGHAZI !!111!

[freshwest]

9. I have to say that Snowden generates no anger from me, anymore than any other pawn.

[flamingdem]

10. I wonder why GeeGee says he's done, stick a fork in him

Does he owe him money? You'd think Greenwald would help try to make is it sound like he's still mega-important so Snowden can entice buyers for his asylum request and make himself appear more important. Oh GeeGee isn't concerned anymore about his fate, so sad.

[freshwest]

16. GG's book or film deal on this circus may have fallen through. ES isn't doing the job intended:

Because those thousands of people in Texas didn't stay home and weep about him and see his shenanigans as more vital their rights.

Instead they went to the capitol to resist the Koch brothers plans to steal women's rights to privacy and basic liberties away.



For media produced heroes, we already got a full serving of that when they created the Tea Party in 2010 for the Koches.

This is the next phase of Tea Party Two to repeat 2010 in 2014. Some have wised up and aren't going to buy into the ratfucking script this time.

[flamingdem]

40. Yes, basic rights vs. Libertarian rights

and I agree Greenwald threw Snowden under the bus saying his information "bomb" has no powder left.

He'd rather have him on trial in the USA so he could be the Go To guy for the media $!

[freshwest]

50. Color me pragmatic. I'm not interested in trials of these gadflies. I want private contracts gone,

unless they're vetted and regulated to the maximum.

We do have a member claiming to work for the company Snowden was with. He presented a graph to show government contracts were a small part of their firm and were not operating like dingbats.

I still see Kochoctopus dollars by default in this case, since the main beneficiaries of these manufactured media outrages are Koch interests. On most of my search page this story is the number one result, even if asking for a map. Those are always paid for, commercial links at the top and that kind of media saturation is not an accident.

The Kochoctopus plays to both sides of the aisle, they always have. They have what will tantalize the left and the right, to manipulate elections so that the result benefits their scheme for America. It's a long term plan, these stories are the wink of an eye in comparison to the historical narrative posted here on DU. There is a video and a transcipt here:

Thom Hartmann: Conservative Millennials, Boomers & Libertarians all being Conned

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1017&pid=44227

Anyone who thinks there isn't any big money at play here, I have this for you might like to purchase, which is in place on the right coast:



And now we've gone back to most, if not all, youtube ads on videos asking if it's:

Time To Impeach Obama?

Anyone thinks that's a grassroots uprising of discontent, and not a well-financed media campaign, well I have a second offer for you to buy on the left coast:



This thread shows the Kochoctopus got into GG's britches. Look to the source, always, or follow the money. The biggest money in any situation sets the agenda. The Koch brothers are not interested in our democracy:

America is Under Siege As The Koch Brothers Look to Replace The Constitution

By: RmuseJun. 30th, 2013



In military parlance, a siege is a form of constant, low-intensity conflict with the intent of conquering, by attrition and sustained assaults, an enemy holding a static defensive position with no means of escape or chance of marshaling assistance from outside forces. Siege warfare can last months, and even years, but if the attackers are patient and keep up constant pressure, the final defeat of the besieged is swift and extremely violent as the attackers take out their rage on the vanquished for not surrendering at the start of the war. For thirty years, Republicans have besieged 98% of the population with constant, and sometimes, low-intensity conflict that is reaching fruition and threatens to usher in a swift and violent end for most Americans at the behest of corporate and theocratic factions.

It is no longer a question of how or why Republicans are imposing corporatism and theocratic laws on the American people, but when they will finally transform this once democratic nation into a fascist state under authority of plutocrats and theocrats. The bad news is that America is one election away from total dominance by the Koch brothers billionaire club and religious extremists on the verge of replacing the Constitution with the bible and Milton Freidman’s manifesto “Capitalism and Freedom.” In fact, in preparation for oligarchs and theocrats ascendance to unchallenged authority to reign over the people, Republicans are eliminating the last vestiges of democracy, economic independence, and freedom from religion as they openly oppose the Constitution in their final push toward fascism.

The truth is that Republicans have panted to destroy New Deal protections for 80 years, but it was during the Reagan administration they began their siege in earnest and started transferring the nation’s wealth to plutocrats in the banking and financial industry. It was also the era the religious right gained unfettered access to the halls of Congress that is culminating in a blatant push toward rule by religious edict. Over the past four years, Republicans have tapped into racial animus rampant in a large segment of the population to garner support to give inordinate power to corporations with assistance from the Koch-influenced Supreme Court that gave corporations power over free and fair elections. Events of the past few weeks revealed that Republicans have now abandoned any pretense of governing for the people, and they are blatantly advocating for theocracy and corporatocracy.

It can no longer be argued that Republicans are not deliberately creating poverty to make room for tax benefits for the rich. In North Carolina, Republicans increased poverty by becoming the first of many Republican states to eliminate unemployment benefits despite the state has the fifth highest unemployment rate in the nation. North Carolina Republicans also are amending the state constitution to permanently make it a “right to work” (for less) state to keep corporate profits high and worker wages at poverty level that is a trend in Republican-controlled states. The Republicans’ goal is not to encourage hiring, but to increase corporate profits and produce a population barely surviving on less-than subsistence wages...

More at the link and worth the read:

http://www.politicususa.com/2013/06/30/america-seige-koch-brothers-replace-constitution.html

One of my former feline companions had little patience for games with feathers, string and other shiny objects. Instead of going for the toy that was supposed to be tantalizing her and using up her energy, she went for the source. The hand. With her claws fully extended. The hand quit.

I don't believe in media bullshit, either. And don't know why folks don't think two steps ahead, reasons, purpose, intent. It keeps people who claim to have more knowledge and intelligence than others running their mouths. Data or knowledge and intelligence, are not synonymous.

So they run around in panic, as the media intended. That panic leads them to bit the others nearby in a rush for survival. That is not what is going on in the world. It is not B & W like old movies and television. We should always look to the source, the why and for what reason and the effects of all that is being presented to us. Sometimes it leads right back to that hand.

Because values we prize, like altruism, equality and democracy are not a function of capitalism nor is it in the news. Cable television news shows don't have to obey FCC rules about operating in the public interest. They operate solely for private interests that don't care about our right or our lives.

[flamingdem]

12. OK, which DUer is commenting on the article??

comments:
These clown ass statements are straight from Greenwald's playbook.

They sound so ominous and are designed to be bumper sticker like slogans repeated by his fan club.

It's become increasingly obvious that this entire Snowden circus was coordinated by Wikileaks, Greenwald and their affiliates. This freakshow has been run like a political campaign.They thought he could run in to the willing arms of our Geo-Political adversaries if they sucked up to them enough.

They never expected that they would get bored with his bullshit and choose their relationship with the United States over him.

[Cha]

15. there's others out there who aren't impressed by the mighty

savior of the USA, too!

Exactly what I thought about Snowden's message from Moscow.. a slick marketing ploy playin' to the greenwald crowd.

"Extralegal/Extrajudiciary"! that's sounds like Greenwald.. all legalese on our ass.

thanks for pointing out those astute comments, flamingdem

[sheshe2]

34. Poor poor Snowed In~ He is hefting his shovel, trying to dig himself out!

And all he's got to show for his "heroic" flight around the world.

Is this TShirt!



Performance in flight~~~~~wings~~



Icarus~

Flew to close to the sun~



Cha

[Cha]

36. Snowedin.. that's a

quite an apt name for him. Now, with this message from Moscow his deep and arduous shoveling prowess is world class. .. Russia may have to donate a new shovel to him after this job

And, definitely the mythology of Icarus.. flying too close to the SUN! Mahalo for the image, she~

He wanted to be a such a hero but heroes don't need to lie and snitch to China and Russia.

she

[flamingdem]

41. You forgot the Paul Revere tshirt version!

[sheshe2]

56. Sorry...

They were sold out!

[freshwest]

51. Snowed in, LOL. I remember your winter in Boston. And on waxen wings. Another brief flame. Be nice!

[flamingdem]

13. These are precious

blackdaug js hooper • 2 hours ago

You know there have to be some frantic three way calls or texts going on between Greenwald, Assaunge and Snowden. (Ironically and hilariously..all probably being actually monitored by the CIA!)
"Sit tight, we got your back.....no need to go issuing statements without running them by us first!"
Which is what this whole clusterfuck looked like, he released one thing, they went..oh shit! .....and started issuing things under his name......

The wording in one is so obviously "English as a second language"...it could only have come from the basement of a certain embassy.

Paranoia runs deep....in to your life it will creep.
Trapped in a Moscow airport, asylum applications out to some of the most repressive shit holes on earth, and the only two people advising you are a guy trapped in a basement in an embassy, and a guy who left his own country because he hated it (or himself) too much to bear anymore.
Nominations for "Bad Life Choices" of the century are now closed. We have a winner!

[Cha]

18. Okay, Priceless!

Paranoia runs deep....in to your life it will creep.
Trapped in a Moscow airport, asylum applications out to some of the most repressive shit holes on earth, and the only two people advising you are a guy trapped in a basement in an embassy, and a guy who left his own country because he hated it (or himself) too much to bear anymore.
Nominations for "Bad Life Choices" of the century are now closed. We have a winner! I'm sorry but that's just funny!

And, you know why.. well you probably know.. because it's so damn true.

[freshwest]

20. Don't worry, the century's still young. Plenty of chances to screw up:

[Major Hogwash]

21. " . . . now he's just playin' to his crowd."

Which isn't all that big.
Most people aren't that impressed with Greenwald's antics of late.
If they were, he'd have a reality show on tv by now.
Can you see very many people tuning in to watch "HoneyBooHooBoo"?
I didn't think so.

Nor are very many people in the world really enamored of Assange.
Manning is the one who is on trial for his life.
While Assange makes leisurely visits to his window in the Ecuadorian embassy in London to wave to any potential fans, ala Liberace.

So, it pretty much looks to me like these Three Stooges have just about yukked it up as much as they can, and now there are consequences to pay for it.

[Cha]

26. If Greenwald were so

impressive.. then he would have to be tap dancing so fast to keep up with his protege.

[ucrdem]

24. Wow.

Crazy talk.

[Cha]

27. "Crazy talk" brilliantly deconstructed by the

great Bob Cesca.

[arely staircase]

25. Ron Paul said Obama might kill Snowden with a drone

so it shouldn't be surprising he's afraid he'll be assassinated.

[Cha]

28. Ron Paul or Rand Paul? Either one isn't working with a full

bag. Poor little libertarian fool.

[arely staircase]

30. Ron Paul

WASHINGTON -- Former Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) warned Tuesday that the U.S. government may use a drone missile to kill Edward Snowden, who recently leaked classified information on National Security Administration surveillance programs.

"I'm worried about somebody in our government might kill him with a cruise missile or a drone missile," Paul said during an interview on Fox Business News. "I mean, we live in a bad time where American citizens don't even have rights and that they can be killed. But the gentleman is trying to tell the truth about what's going on."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/11/ron-paul-edward-snowden_n_3424408.html

I wonder what his DU name is

[Cha]

32. Yeah, I'll just bet he's worried. He's more interested in stirring up

shit and adding paranoia to Snowden's mind fuck.

thanks for the info. arely

[MADem]

29. I am really starting to think this "Moscow Eddie" guy needs a cat scan or an MRI or something....

And a doctor who understands the terrible impacts that adult onset epilepsy can have on reasoning skills, judgment, intelligence, etc. to examine him.

Something just ain't write with that young man.

[Cha]

31. Could be, MADem.. my thought was it's a mixture of being fed

bullshit by Greenwald and Assange and he's always had a touch of the hyperbole and disconnect from reality("We got along fine without SS for a long time before The New Deal" paraphrasing) and it's only gotten worse as he's stranded like a cornered rat in a Moscow airport.

I had forgotten about him having epilepsy.. that's undoubtedly why is Dad is so worried about him even more than the usual reasons you would want your son home.

[MADem]

35. Those frontal lobe lesions can make a sane man crazy, make an introvert an extrovert, make a

reasonable fellow a screaming conspiracy theorist....it could happen.

It's probably the thing a defense attorney would grab onto to mitigate a long stretch in the federal pen.

[Cha]

37. thanks for explaining that.. maybe we'll see much futher down

the road.

[flamingdem]

43. The article comments astutely observed

that the lull in info from the Pod Hotel might have coincided with a Snowden down period now this latest flurry / garble about Obama and over 20 countries he's begging for help could represent his manic phase.

He needs nurse Olga to give him ein eejectzion.

[randome]

49. Showing her face in public is sobering enough!

[hr]
[font color="blue"][center]I'm always right. When I'm wrong I admit it.
So then I'm right about being wrong.[/center][/font]
[hr]

[baldguy]

33. Priceless.

[Cha]

38. It is so

Priceless.

[treestar]

39. on of the comments

Trapped in a Moscow airport, asylum applications out to some of the most repressive shit holes on earth, and the only two people advising you are a guy trapped in a basement in an embassy, and a guy who left his own country because he hated it (or himself) too much to bear anymore.
Nominations for "Bad Life Choices" of the century are now closed. We have a winner!

[randome]

42. The Snowden Awards! Like the Darwin Awards but for naivete above and beyond the call of reason.

[hr]
[font color="blue"][center]I'm always right. When I'm wrong I admit it.
So then I'm right about being wrong.[/center][/font]
[hr]

[flamingdem]

45. Here's the statuette that the winner will receive!

[randome]

48. He needs to have a big-ass thumb drive in his hand!

"Tyranny is coming! Lock up your bits and bytes!"

"One if by cellphone! Two if by iPod!"

[hr]
[font color="blue"][center]I'm always right. When I'm wrong I admit it.
So then I'm right about being wrong.[/center][/font]
[hr]

[Cha]

53. That "winner" cracked me up last night. From Moscow..

http://theobamadiary.com/2013/07/02/rise-and-shine-543/#comments

[treestar]

57. LOL

Very subtle portrait of Pooty Poot on the wall behind the agents of the FSB (which would never do such a thing as surveillance without judicial permission :rofl

[Cha]

58. I saw that pic of pooty. lol nm

[usGovOwesUs3Trillion]

44. lot of disinfo to unpack here but 1 that jumps out is the whole 'no more to publish' myth

Greenwald basically said that the ongoing revelations will be made by the press orgs that Snowden released the docs to... as he has left it up to their journalistic judgment on what is and is not in the public interest, therefore Snowden has was done with his part in the releasing of the documents and NOT that there were no more docs to be released as has been erroneously reported.

So, it's not that GG and ES need to get their story straight, it is that the M$M needs to.

[ProSense]

46. On the "stateless" claim:

There Are 12 Million Stateless People Around The World, But Edward Snowden Isn’t One Of Them
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023149095

[Cha]

54. Good for Think Progress for pointing

that out! thanks for the link ProSense