Do you believe the current NSA surveillance program is threat to our liberty?

[Douglas Carpenter]

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	No, not really - it has enough built in safeguards and is doing a good job of protecting us
	1 (8%)
	There are some issues of concern - but farily minor issues - so any risk of loss of liberty is minimal
	0 (0%)
	It might be going a bit too far on intrusiveness - but not to the level that one could say it is a threat to our liberty
	0 (0%)
	Yes, it is a threat to our liberty. If not now in the future it will probaly seriously threaten our freedom and liberty - if something major is not done to rein it in.
	11 (92%)
	0 DU members did not wish to select any of the options provided.
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[Waiting For Everyman]

1. I was looking for the option, "Oh hell yes!" nt

[Deep13]

2. A threat to liberty? No, an end to it. nt

[cali]

3. Yes, but I believe the TPP is an even greater threat

[Douglas Carpenter]

7. you may very well be right about that- but I would dare guess no more than a small minority of

people have hard about the issue. But on a certain level and not to sound too paranoid - the two concepts very much overlap. A world that the likes of which the TPP represents is going to require a power security service to maintain order and keep the rabble in line.

[cali]

8. It doesn't sound paranoid. alas. I only wish that it did so

it could be dismissed.

and that only a small minority of people have heard of the TPP is all the more reason to raise its profile.

[Bolo Boffin]

4. As much as I know about it at this point, it is a future threat to our liberty.

My concern is the collection of content. I'm happy to know that there are lots of safeguards against accessing the content. I fully believe that President Obama's NSA has been going above and beyond to make sure Americans' privacy is protected.

That said, I see no reason at all for NSA to have the sheer breadth of the content of phone calls and Internet postings on a database they control. We know it has been abused, because there are disciplinary protocols in place for analysts who check up on people in or out of their lives. I don't have anything to hide. That's reason enough that digital recordings of my phone calls and the phone calls of hundreds of millions of Americans don't belong in a government database.

I have full faith and confidence in the motivations of the people now in charge of the program. But I also know where this program began: in the office of the former Vice President Dick Goddamn Cheney via his counsel David Fucking Addington. And maybe the controls would stay in place for decades, even a century or so. But it will not remain so. The only thing Washington cannot stop themselves from tearing into is a huge pile of money, and today information is money.

If not now, inevitably it will be. Let's win the War on Terror. Tear this thing down.

[Douglas Carpenter]

5. one more kick

[DLevine]

6. Yes, absolutely. nt

[Festivito]

9. They can extort anyone, even Obama. Yes, it's a threat to US.

That's a no-brainer.

[Douglas Carpenter]

10. another kick for more resutls

[Douglas Carpenter]

11. another kick for more resutls

[limpyhobbler]

12. A clear winner. They could never run surveillance programs like that if the general population

had any real political power. The only way they can get away with it is because the democracy is already a sham. Or so I fear.

[DevonRex]

13. There is ALWAYS reason for concern with these kinds of programs.

Never stop watching the watchers. But it comes with a caveat. The discussion cannot endanger people in the field. Ever. They put their lives on the line for us ever single day.

Snowden crossed that line. Unless you think Snowden was lying when he said he has the names of CIA operatives and Station Chiefs and locations all over the world. And if he was lying about that what else was he lying about that he said? Are the documents even real? Are they fake or edited? Since he can apparently operate the system all by himself, according to him, he can generate whatever he pleases. Unless he's lying about being able to shut the whole thing down all by himself, of course. If he can shut it down, he can operate it. Unless he's lying...

Ever wonder why nobody wants him? Ed Snowden, a man of unquestioned character and unsurpassed expertise? Yeah, sarcasm. But think about that question. Either his character, expertise, or both, are just a tad tarnished. Since they know what he does (or claims to have done) to the country he "loves."

[Douglas Carpenter]

14. noher one

[Douglas Carpenter]

15. more results

[Douglas Carpenter]

16. another kick for another day