Greenwald on FOX:"we're going to continue to do that no matter what David Gregory & his friends say"

[kpete]

Bolling asked Greenwald if he cared to use the morning program as a venue to break another scoop on the National Security Agency's surveillance programs.

"Unfortunately, Eric, you're gonna have to wait along with everybody else until our stories are published," Greenwald said. "But I will say that there are vast programs of both domestic and international spying that the world will be shocked to learn about that the NSA has engaged in without any democratic accountability and that's what's driving our reporting."

When the topic turned to NBC's David Gregory — who aggressively asked The Guardian writer if he should be charged for reporting on the top secret programs — Greenwald said he hasn't received an apology from the "Meet The Press" host but he's hardly been discouraged.

"This is what journalism is about — shining a light on what the most powerful people in the country are doing to them in the dark — so we're going to continue to do that no matter what David Gregory and his friends say," Greenwald said.



more (plus a Greenwald tweet):
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/glenn-greenwald-goes-on-fox-friends-video

[eissa]

1. What a fucking ass n/t

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. Why? In this case Gregory was the ass

[eissa]

4. For not lobbing him a softball question and licking his balls?

He asked a tough question, answer it. When someone leaks classified info, of course there is going to be a large segment of the population categorizing that behavior as espionage. He should have clearly stated why it was not instead of throwing a childish temper tantrum and running over to Fox & Friends. Seriously, F&F? I could maybe get Greta's show or even O'Reilly, but do I really need to explain on DU why F&F is such a joke?

[nadinbrzezinski]

5. For suggesting somebody should go to jail

For commitng the act of journalism. If Gregory was the editor of the WAPO in 1970 or so you would have never heard of Watergate.

I am sorry you don't comprehend it. But Gregory is a great symptom of what is wrong with the stenography corp n DC. Free clue, Gregory is not a reporter, but a court stenographer.

[eissa]

6. I guess I don't comprehend it

Breaking and entering, wiretapping and lying about the whole affair were all illegal activities conducted by members of the Nixon administration. Conducting traffic analysis and storing communications (not listening in to every single phone call) is not illegal. I get that these policies are highly unpopular, and if we want to re-debate the Patriot Act, I'm all for that. But from what I've seen and read thus far, I just see a young libertarian fearful of "big government" being used by a Hitchens-wannabe who hates the president and is more interested in making a name for himself than anything else.

[nadinbrzezinski]

8. You know even the FISA court had a finding

Of violating the Fourth in 2011. They have even agreed to release that finding, now that it is a town cryer secret.

And Mr. Clapper admitted to perjury before the Senate. You defend that.

I don't expect Martha Radarz of David Gregory to actually commit the crime of free thought and Journalism and cover either. They get paid handsomely for their acquiescence to the official story line.

And free clue, every totalitarian state, every and each of them, made the measures perfectly legal. That argument hardly impresses me at this point knowing a lot of history.

[woo me with science]

40. You are evading the point.

Gregory suggested that Greenwald should be imprisoned for committing journalism.

That is how sick and dangerous to our Constitution the toadying to the One Percent has become.

Shame on you.

[eissa]

43. Here is the question

“To the extent that you have aided and abetted Snowden—even in his current movements—why shouldn’t you, Mr. Greenwald, be charged with a crime?”

Why shouldn't you be charged with a crime vs. you should be thrown in jail. There's a difference.

A case can definitely be made that Snowden's actions were illegal, and that GG's role in the leakage of classified info can be called into question. Greenwald could have taken the opportunity to explain how Snowden's stealing and leaking this information is not illegal, and therefore his role in the matter not a crime. Pretty simple.

[woo me with science]

44. Reeking bullshit. Shame on you.

"A case can definitely be made..."

No, it can't. Not by thinking people. Not by anyone who has been paying attention to this case and understands the role of a Free Press and whistleblowers in a democratic society. The free press that civics classes should have taught you is supposed to be our primary check against government overreach and abuse.

This is the level to which the authoritarian propaganda has sunk. This is how dangerous the corporate One Percent who have seized control of our government and media really are: They are now openly and shamelessly attempting to justify the criminalization of JOURNALISM.

Shame on you for carrying this despicable water. And shame on anyone who takes the bait for a "serious debate" on imprisoning Greenwald or any investigative journalist who prints what a whistleblower provides. This is not just horseshit. This is gravely dangerous, authoritarian horseshit, and it should stand as a red, blaring alarm for every single American of how deadly serious our situation in this country has really become under corporate rule.


Don't entertain this garbage.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022981567

The good Germans in government
http://upload.democraticunderground.com/10023134591

[eissa]

45. I'm not ashamed one bit

No one is saying GG should be jailed. What is up for debate is the difference between a whistleblower vs. a hacker or a leaker. The former exposes illegal activity, the latter reveals private information. I believe Snowden belongs in the latter category as he didn't reveal anything illegal. We may not like the Patriot Act -- and for good reason -- it doesn't take away from it being legal. Just because I don't like a policy doesn't mean I have the right to leak confidential material.

Manning revealed major abuses conducted during war time. Ellsberg exposed corruption and lying of war-time policies. Karen Silkwood revealed workplace abuse that threatened the safety of workers. Those are whistleblowers. Just exposing something doesn't automatically make one a whistleblower. I really don't blame Snowden; he's a young kid who doesn't like big government and was manipulated by a blogger seeking to be the next Woodward or Bernstein.

I don't believe there is anyone on DU of all places that doesn't realize the value of a Free Press. But I do believe in journalistic responsibility. The same way Geraldo received backlash for revealing the location of our troops and their plans for an upcoming attack, so GG has to answer tough questions regarding his role in revealing classified information. I really don't see anything unreasonable there.

[woo me with science]

47. Of course you aren't ashamed, but you *should* be.

You are repeating and spreading some of the most malignant and despicable propaganda that this nation has seen in a very long time.

I just read the spectacle of your participation in the other journalism thread, which was juvenile mudslinging and namecalling, a very different attitude from the one you are pretending to hold here. In fact, you seem to sling a different mudball on Snowden every day:

Here you write:

"I really don't blame Snowden; he's a young kid who doesn't like big government and was manipulated by a blogger seeking to be the next Woodward or Bernstein."

But over in a different thread, he's certainly not blameless. In fact, he's an "asshole"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023147933#post33
"He leaked classified information simply because he didn't agree with the program, not because he knew the activity was illegal. That's not whistleblowing, that's just being an asshole."

or a "Fucker":

http://election.democraticunderground.com/1014507127#post5
Post 5: "Fucker."

or a "self-important narcissist."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014520493#post12
"Perfect response to two self-important narcissists."

In these threads, the problem is that he is a Libertarian:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3000484
"...she, and most likely Snowden, are one of those Ayn-worshipping, get-the-government-out-of-everything libertarians..."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2987031
"he's a Paul-bot with delusions of grandeur"

But over here, he is a Chinese spy:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023015636#post5
"Perhaps he can share the same info he shared with the Chinese with them."

The upshot? Cynical, disingenuous mudslinging with the sole purpose to distract from what Snowden has revealed about our government and what it is doing to us.

And the mud propaganda is now so filthy and shameless that it does not hesitate to call for the imprisonment of JOURNALISTS.

Let's repeat that: The talking points now openly call for the imprisonment of JOURNALISTS.

That these poison talking points are so readily repeated shows how ruthless and dangerous the authoritarians who have taken control of this country really are. This is how brazen their assaults on our free press, the First Amendment, the Fourth Amendment, the very integrity of our Constitution and our democratic society, have become.

Every American should be chilled at how quickly the talking points smearing the whistleblowers and calling for their persecution went out and have been repeated relentlessly, ubiquitously, across the media and the internet.

Governments that create spying infrastructures also create propaganda infrastructures. We are in deep, deep trouble in this nation.

I will not feed this garbage further, but, sometimes, it's important to be clear about what we are dealing with.



We are in a war for our lives. The war is between the 1% elite and the 99%.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023137828

[eissa]

49. My language may differ, but my sentiments are consistent

I never hid the fact that I don't care for either Snowden or GG, particularly the latter. I feel the same way about him as I did Christopher Hitchens; smug, self-important contrarians. I give Hitchens a few points for being a gifted writer and thinker, even if I didn't agree with a lot of his positions, particularly his neocon tendencies. I can't say the same for GG.

I'm wondering if you believe anything should remain classified, or should all information be made public for transparency purposes? If one reveals classified information, are they automatically considered a whistleblower, no matter the content? Should it always be legal to leak confidential information? If not, what should be the punishment?

[closeupready]

18. +1. Can't believe how authoritarian this board is, some days.

'Where have all the liberals gone?'

[WinkyDink]

11. So, how did you rate Gregory's dance moves with Rove?

[wtmusic]

3. ^ cognitive dissonance of a challenge to the notion that Obama can do no wrong

[morningfog]

25. SO much boils down to this here.

[sabrina 1]

19. Gregory IS and always was an 'ass'.

Kudos to journalists like Greenwald who will not be intimidated by the 'stenographers' hired by the Corporate Media. Gregory disgraced himself, as if we needed any further proof of what tools these morons are.

[truebrit71]

22. ^This x 100000000

Karl Rove's favourite dance partner is nothing more than a glorified right-wing ass-kissing towel boy...

[moondust]

7. An apology?

Really? For asking an apparently uncomfortable though nevertheless legitimate question of somebody in an interview?

Attack the interviewer! Attack the President! Attack anything that moves! Attack! Attack!

Has Glenn ever thrown public tantrums about the fact that the CIA budget has long been classified "without any democratic accountability"?

[frylock]

9. legitimate question? so you're of the opinion that journalists should be jailed..

for reporting?

[emulatorloo]

10. Didn't see the interview. Did Gregory say Greenwald should be jailed?

If so was it presented as his opinion or the idea of someone else.

Thanks in advance for your help.

[frylock]

12. gregory asked greenwald if he should be charged for "aiding and abetting" snowden

[emulatorloo]

13. I expect Greenwald was happy for the chance to shoot that down.

Thanks, I appreciate the summary.

[frylock]

16. my pleasure..

have a great day!

[sabrina 1]

21. Not familiar with Greenwald, are you?

Apparent from you last sentence.

The 'question' was a chilling glimpse as most Civil Rights organizations have since attested to, of what has become of the US 'media'.

I take it you support the prosecution of journalists then? Forgot about the reason for the 1st Amendment?

How sad it is to see how easily people can be 'brought along' to even the idea of what Gregory suggested. Frightening actually.

[baldguy]

14. Now THIS is disgusting.

[treestar]

15. This guy still in high school?

He's embarrassing himself.

[Catherina]

17. Not just Greenwald but many other journalists who already have the files.

The Speigel has barely begun.

[DevonRex]

20. OMG. The nerve of Gregory, asking Greenwald a QUESTION!!!!!!

Who the fuck does GG think he is, God?

[sabrina 1]

23. Do you support the prosecution of journalists?

Gregory is an ass and always was, a tool for the Corporate Media, so few people care much about his question. They real issue is that someone on the US Media would even make such a suggestion, which indicates how far gone the US media is. Fortunately he has been completely condemned for his suggestion since we do still live in a democracy.

[DevonRex]

30. Did David Gregory say he did or did he just ask a question?

And BTW, your journalist is on Fox News. So is the one who outed the Al Qaeda operative.

[sabrina 1]

35. Obama has been on Fox News, what's your point? Obama has appointed

Republicans to the cabinet we expected to be filled with Democrats. Are there no Democrats who are qualified for a Democratic Administration's Cabinet? Want to play games, fine with me.

But back to the issue of Gregory, he's a tool, always was always will be. It's hilarious now to see him being defended here though.



The symbolism is priceless. In a million years I would not lower myself to call this clown a journalist.

Old Rovian trick, which he apparently learned at the feet of his hero, 'put your proposal in the form of a question'. Too bad these old tricks don't work anymore.

[truebrit71]

24. OMG. The nerve of Gregory, pretending to be a journalist...

...Glad you like your "journalists" dumb and subservient..

[DevonRex]

29. And YOUR "journalist" is on Fox News. Fucking ROFLMAO. nt

[truebrit71]

33. As has Micheal Moore for example....ROFLMMFAO...

...your point?

[sabrina 1]

36. And your 'journalist' dances with the devil himself as was obvious from his 'question':

[DisgustipatedinCA]

27. When you find yourself on the side of David Gregory, and Dick Cheney, and George W Bush

...and Ari Fleischer, and some more of the worst people on the planet, it's probably time to pick yourself up off the floor, stop laughing, and take stock of your position.

[DevonRex]

28. Because I support a guy being able to ask a question on NBC you assumed all THAT???

You poor, poor thing. Bless your little heart.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

31. No. I used a broader base of posts you've made on the subject to arrive at my conclusion. thanks.

[DevonRex]

32. You just keep on cheerleading for Fox News and GG and that

motherfucker who outed the Al Qaeda operative, then. He works for Fox, too. The Bush-Cheney Network.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

34. Rah rah, sweetie.

[bvar22]

41. Going on FOX is a BAD Thing?

I don't remember you complaining when these people went on FOX:









I know...I know.
Somehow its DIFFERENT when "they" do it.

[burnodo]

42. Oh yes

When the above folks go on Fox News it means that people will get the truth, whatever that truth is. If some lesser people go on, or people they hold in disdain, it's a signal that they're Rovian Paulbots trying to stir-up Obama hatred.

[sabrina 1]

38. That would be fine if you supported other journalists' right to publish their questions.

I'm glad Gregory exposed himself for what he is, I would never suppress his right to do so. The world now sees what level the US media has sunk to. To even ask if a journalist should be prosecuted for being a journalist was far more revealing than all the criticisms that have been launched against tools like Gregory, mostly by Democrats, over the years.

His 'question' revealed and placed the spotlight on how bad things are wrt the excuse for 'news' and 'reporting' the American media has been for a long time now.

I hope Gregory has the guts, after the slamming he has received from all over the spectrum, to keep on asking those Rovian 'questions'. The more the public gets to see these media tools for what they are, the lower their credibility sinks.

Thank the gods for real journalists, like Greenwald who show them up for what they are.

[Major Hogwash]

39. No shit!!

As if Greenwald is a journalist to begin with!!

It's Judy Miller Time!!

[think]

26. It is obvious to those reading the testimony of past whistle blowers that

these revelations are important and need to be exposed....

[woo me with science]

37. Applause for Greenwald.

Shame on every toady sycophant who uses the faux label of "journalism" to prop up an authoritarian state.

Our mainstream media is a joke and has been for a very long time. It is a parade of celebrities and advertisements, shiny objects, and distractions from what the corporatists who now own this country are doing. It's well past time to expose the corruption and corporate neutering of journalism in the United States of America.

[DesMoinesDem]

46. "Is David Gregory a journalist? As a thought experiment, name one piece of news he has broken,"

one beat he’s covered with distinction, and any memorable interviews he’s conducted that were not with John McCain, Lindsey Graham, Dick Durbin, or Chuck Schumer." -Frank Rich

[KamaAina]

48. So now Greenwald's on Fox, eh?

Of course, that won't dent his popularity with his sizable fan club here.