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malaise

(269,103 posts)
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 11:25 AM Jul 2013

Over 30 million bees found dead in Elmwood, Canada

http://myscienceacademy.org/2013/07/01/over-30-million-bees-found-dead-in-elmwood-canada/I


Shortly after 50,000 bees were found dead in an Oregon parking lot (read more here), a staggering 37 million bees have been found dead in Elmwood, Ontario, Canada.Dave Schuit, who runs a honey operation in Elmwood has lost 600 hives. He is pointing the finger at the insecticides known as neonicotinoids, which are manufactured by Bayer CropScience Inc. This also comes after a recent report released by the British Beekeepers Association (BBKA) that recorded its largest loss of honeybees ever. You can read more about that here. The European Union has stepped forward, having ban multiple pesticides that have been linked to killing millions of bees. You can view the studies and read more about that here.
The loss comes after the planting of corn. Neonicotinoid pesticides are used to coat corn seed with air seeders, which result in blowing the pesticide dust into the air when planted. The death of millions of pollinators was studied by Purdue University. They discovered that Bees exhibited neurotoxic symptoms. They analyzed dead bees and found that traces of thiamethoxam/clothiandin were present in each case. The only major source of these compounds are seed treatments of field crops. You can view that study here (1).

Bee deaths are increasing exponentially. An international team of scientists led by Holland’s Utrecht University has concluded that, “large scale prophylaxic use in agriculture, their high persistence in soil and water, and their uptake by plants and translocation to flowers, neonicotinoids put pollinators at risk. This is some of the research that led to the European Unions ban of the pesticides, as mentioned and referenced earlier.


Can we really debate this much longer? The evidence shown linking pesticides to bee deaths is overwhelming. It’s not only bees, but an array of other insects as well. The last thing we need is for Monsanto to use another reason to manufacture and develop fake food! One reason that has been used for justification of GMO’s is a food shortage, and we all know how critical bees are to our food supply. There is a huge conflict of interest here, the pesticides used to spray the crops that are killing the bees are developed by biotech corporations like Monsanto.


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Over 30 million bees found dead in Elmwood, Canada (Original Post) malaise Jul 2013 OP
"You peeps need us. Totally. Wake up." - B. Berlum Jul 2013 #1
Indeed malaise Jul 2013 #2
"I heard no bee buzz when I died..." Berlum Jul 2013 #5
Indeed. We need them a hellva lot more than they need us. sarge43 Jul 2013 #10
They're just bees. Bees sting. Enthusiast Jul 2013 #75
We've got bees all over the yard and garden. Then again, we don't poison our yard. EdwardSmith74 Jul 2013 #3
If I had time and money I'd sue the lot of them... rwsanders Jul 2013 #17
you might consider doing your own little experiment by planting non-invasive reeds there. KittyWampus Jul 2013 #21
Wouldn't work here because I'm in the suburbs (of Kansas City) and the contamination is from... rwsanders Jul 2013 #52
Are you in a fracking zone? EdwardSmith74 Jul 2013 #26
Thankfully no. I think we'd move. rwsanders Jul 2013 #51
Hopefully this will come to a head soon. Blanks Jul 2013 #4
Let's hope we can oust hundreds of anti-science Republicans from office. Overseas Jul 2013 #88
More respect for the science would definitely be a good thing. eom Blanks Jul 2013 #90
what debate? G_j Jul 2013 #6
That's gotta be just about every bee in Elmwood. Octafish Jul 2013 #7
Bayer AG Hubert Flottz Jul 2013 #73
A certain stench wafts across oceans of time and space... Octafish Jul 2013 #74
Bayer had an explosion a couple of years ago about 6 miles from my house. Hubert Flottz Jul 2013 #81
Money means never having to say you're responsible. Octafish Jul 2013 #84
Sue the bastards... Gary 50 Jul 2013 #8
Bayer survived their war crime charges... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2013 #65
Corporate greed is killing the planet and everything on it appleannie1 Jul 2013 #9
We were moving toward facing up to that when Reagan came in and told us it was Morning in America. Overseas Jul 2013 #87
For sale BlueinOhio Jul 2013 #11
here's a pertinent quote MisterP Jul 2013 #49
I picture a Tonka bulldozer pushing the bodies into a very small mass grave. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #12
ala Bergen-Belsen? NoMoreWarNow Jul 2013 #14
Now watch someone claim that diminishes the Holocaust. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #16
Interesting Factoid: bvar22 Jul 2013 #35
Pynchon talked about this in Gravity's Rainbow cliffordu Jul 2013 #69
... BlancheSplanchnik Jul 2013 #34
There, there honey. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #42
mind telling me what your goal with snark is, here? BlancheSplanchnik Jul 2013 #47
What's COOL though is the CAUSE is exposed.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #55
Whistling past the graveyard.... daleanime Jul 2013 #58
... BlancheSplanchnik Jul 2013 #59
It's some people who suck. Flame me if you want but you've seem to have met ... BlueJazz Jul 2013 #62
so very sad NoMoreWarNow Jul 2013 #13
I can't remember if it was bees or frogs, but their loss spells our own. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #15
Both.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #22
I haven't seen any bees around here since they started chemical spraying the bushes next door. Baitball Blogger Jul 2013 #18
fucking TrueGreen "Lawncare" came around trolling for new customers BlancheSplanchnik Jul 2013 #32
Yep. It was TruGreen Baitball Blogger Jul 2013 #37
I've noticed that the last few summers too (about the fireflies) Volaris Jul 2013 #63
I was living in the boondocks on a mountain until recently and this time of year is MAGIC out there BlancheSplanchnik Jul 2013 #85
It isn't just the specific pesticide> It's the ENTIRE CORPORATE AGRICULTURAL SYSTEM. KittyWampus Jul 2013 #19
Thanks for this link. n/t OneGrassRoot Jul 2013 #71
K&R. Overseas Jul 2013 #89
That's devastating. OneGrassRoot Jul 2013 #20
Second, critical lesson here: colorado_ufo Jul 2013 #23
truth. n/t BlancheSplanchnik Jul 2013 #31
I am living proof chervilant Jul 2013 #72
Albert Einstein said that honeylady Jul 2013 #24
It's beyond frightening malaise Jul 2013 #60
Profits over people The Wizard Jul 2013 #25
THIS IS CRIMINAL!!! We're destroying Mother Earth's blessed creatures. It's murderous. 99th_Monkey Jul 2013 #27
our next door neighbors ( cuban american woman married to a gun nut) think that srican69 Jul 2013 #30
Even the "Dominion" weirdos have some notion of "stewardship" 99th_Monkey Jul 2013 #36
It might very well be the end of all RATIONAL discussion, Volaris Jul 2013 #64
Is any legislation proposed? Who are our allies? mahina Jul 2013 #28
this is the kind of news that makes me SO despairing.... BlancheSplanchnik Jul 2013 #29
bees are insects? why didn't anybody TELL GEORGEE. pansypoo53219 Jul 2013 #33
Just like climate change.... Moostache Jul 2013 #38
He lost 600 hives. He had twice that. Robb Jul 2013 #39
Frightening indeed malaise Jul 2013 #40
Last year I had lots of bees arikara Jul 2013 #66
What can people do felix_numinous Jul 2013 #41
I hate reading about this, but can I do about it? Orrex Jul 2013 #43
Trouble is, it's NOT being debated. Not in Congress where we need it to be. aquart Jul 2013 #44
You really want Congress to deal with this? I cannot think of a scenario involving Congress.. Buzz Clik Jul 2013 #79
I am a big gardener, and I never use pesticides KrazyinKS Jul 2013 #45
I've been mumbling for some time now that the next SheilaT Jul 2013 #46
they call it food insecurity KrazyinKS Jul 2013 #48
"Exponentially", just like human growth. Gregorian Jul 2013 #50
I haven't seen any honey bees in Iowa this year 4dsc Jul 2013 #53
Monsanto Strikes Again While The Politicians Line Their Pockets With Corporate Campaign Donations cantbeserious Jul 2013 #54
Monsanto has nothing to do with this. Buzz Clik Jul 2013 #78
the link redirects to the gallery page of pics!!! hopemountain Jul 2013 #56
Try this link... AmyDeLune Jul 2013 #67
After the Wilsonville incident, the Oregon Dept of Agriculture instituted a temporary restriction... DreamGypsy Jul 2013 #57
Thanks for this malaise Jul 2013 #70
Is it a WovenGems Jul 2013 #61
Usually my yard is buzzing with bees. Kurovski Jul 2013 #68
What a strange article. Buzz Clik Jul 2013 #76
i'm seeing this article verbatim on blogs, but no news stories. mopinko Jul 2013 #77
So, you're a better source on this topic than the Oregon Department of Agriculture? DreamGypsy Jul 2013 #80
Corporate M$Greedia ignores lots of important stories malaise Jul 2013 #83
To me that's the most shocking thing about this article malaise Jul 2013 #82
I don't even have children and grandchildren, but I think about all of yours'. Overseas Jul 2013 #86
It's frightening malaise Jul 2013 #91
Would you please cross-post this in Environment & Energy? Judi Lynn Jul 2013 #92

Berlum

(7,044 posts)
5. "I heard no bee buzz when I died..."
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 12:17 PM
Jul 2013

"... The stillness round my form
Was like the stillness in the air
Between the heaves of storm...

"...And then the windows failed, and then
I could not see to see."

- With apologies to the late Emily Dickinson

sarge43

(28,941 posts)
10. Indeed. We need them a hellva lot more than they need us.
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 12:48 PM
Jul 2013

They don't need us at all.

Honey bees: They work hard, take care of their home and family, take little and give much in return.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
75. They're just bees. Bees sting.
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 10:45 AM
Jul 2013

Nothing to see here. Monsanto would never do anything that would compromise the natural world.

 

EdwardSmith74

(282 posts)
3. We've got bees all over the yard and garden. Then again, we don't poison our yard.
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 12:14 PM
Jul 2013

Tru Green, Lawn Doctor, and the likes can all go to hell.

rwsanders

(2,606 posts)
17. If I had time and money I'd sue the lot of them...
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 01:02 PM
Jul 2013

We have a small intermittent stream behind our house. You know what lives there?
Diddly Squat. No frogs, no crawdads, nothing. I've seen a health group of tadpoles growing in a puddle by the side of an asphalt pedestrian path, but in this stream? NOTHING.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
21. you might consider doing your own little experiment by planting non-invasive reeds there.
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 01:05 PM
Jul 2013

Find out what is natural to your state and plant some in your yard nearest the stream.

Reeds filter water.

rwsanders

(2,606 posts)
52. Wouldn't work here because I'm in the suburbs (of Kansas City) and the contamination is from...
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 07:11 PM
Jul 2013

the neighbors upstream.

Overseas

(12,121 posts)
88. Let's hope we can oust hundreds of anti-science Republicans from office.
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 01:41 PM
Jul 2013

So that we can openly deal with the evidence.

Edit to add: And thereby also frighten the Democrats who have supported industrial agriculture.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
7. That's gotta be just about every bee in Elmwood.
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 12:28 PM
Jul 2013

Amazing what pesticides and chemistry can do. In humans, for instance, endocrine disruptors.

Hubert Flottz

(37,726 posts)
73. Bayer AG
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 07:38 AM
Jul 2013

Snip...

Bayer, IG Farben and Human Experiments[222]
IG Farben also conducted experiments on humans. Eva Mozes Kor, among the 1,500 sets of twins experimented on by the infamous Dr. Josef Mengele, claims that IG Farben monitored and supervised medical experiments at the Nazi concentration camp where she was interned. She claims the experiments involved toxic chemicals that IG Farben (Bayer) provided. In some of the experiments, the lawsuit states, prisoners were injected with germs known to cause diseases, "to test the effectiveness of various drugs" manufactured by IG Farben. Mengele conducted genetic experiments there in an effort to create a super race of blonde, blue-eyed Aryans who would be born in multiple births. Both Kor and her sister survived their 10-month ordeal in the concentration camp and were liberated by Soviet troops in January 1945. They were nearly 10 years old. According to Irwin Levin (Kor's Lawyer), IG Farben paid Nazi officials during World War II for access to those confined in the camps and collaborated in Nazi experiments as a form of research and development. The lawsuit sought unspecified punitive damages and the recovery of profits it maintains IG Farben (Bayer) earned as a result of such research.

Eventually Eva Kor and various others were paid out of a fund put up by the German government and the companies. Bayer gave 100 million German Marks to the fund. The entire fund (totalling 10 billion German Marks) was a result of various American lawsuits - without the loss of reputation in the US the companies would never have agreed. Read lots more here...

http://www.corporatewatch.org.uk/?lid=200

Would a company with a history like Bayer give a fuck about killing off bees? I doubt it, all they care about is money and the power it buys them.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
74. A certain stench wafts across oceans of time and space...
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 10:36 AM
Jul 2013

Vielen dank, Her Flottz. Der big-vigs at BayerAG and a whole bunch more NAZI fiends were never held to account after the war, thanks to the American establishment types at their newly minted club CIA. Cough John McCloy.

I know you know this stuff. For those new to the subject:

Know your BFEE: Eugenics and the NAZIs - The California Connection

Know your BFEE: Nazis couldn t win WWII, so they backed Bushes

A fact curiously missing from American history and any mention of the Warren Commission

PS: Thanks for the heads-up on Corp Watch. Here's another antidote for Big Brother: LittleSis.org. They show Bayer connects to the anti-GMO labelling astroturfers.

Hubert Flottz

(37,726 posts)
81. Bayer had an explosion a couple of years ago about 6 miles from my house.
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 01:08 PM
Jul 2013

Bayer to shut controversial US methyl isocyanate unit in 2012

12 January 2011 16:57 [Source: ICIS news]

Bayer site in Institute, West Virginia HOUSTON (ICIS)--Germany-based agrochemical supplier Bayer CropScience will cease production of methyl isocyanate (MIC) at its plant in Institute, West Virginia, by mid-2012, sources said on Wednesday.

The announcement comes prior to a 20 January presentation from the US Chemical Safety Board (CSB), which planned to issue its final report and recommendations from an investigation into the August 2008 explosion at the Bayer facility.

In that incident, two workers died following an explosion in the plant’s methomyl unit near a large tank that held about 40,000 lb (18.1 tonnes) of methyl isocyanate.

Had fragments from the explosion struck the methyl isocyanate tank, the damage might have rivaled the 1984 chemical spill that killed thousands in Bhopal, India, according to Congressmen who held hearings on the case. Read More...

http://www.icis.com/Articles/2011/01/12/9425414/bayer-to-shut-controversial-us-methyl-isocyanate-unit-in-2012.html

Bayer ended up acting like they were the victim in this case. The unit that blew up was about 300 yards from West Virginia State University. There are many thousands of people living within a five mile radius of the Bayer instillation. We almost had an American Bhopal that could have killed many more people that the Carbide plant in India killed. Talking about people gassing their own people...Bayer punished West Virginia by laying off hundreds, but for the most part we were glad to see that unit go.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
84. Money means never having to say you're responsible.
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 02:24 PM
Jul 2013

That was not in my local noosepaper, Hubert Flottz. Thank you for your incredible and important report. There have been times when people were more important than things, but, unfortunately, things change back to the old Order.

Let me think on this...

Overseas

(12,121 posts)
87. We were moving toward facing up to that when Reagan came in and told us it was Morning in America.
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 01:38 PM
Jul 2013

That we didn't have to listen to Doom & Gloom predictions on global climate change, endangered species and pollution.

They told us we needed to free up our corporations so we all could have fun and prosper.

They told us that Free Trade would lift all boats.

And too many people believed them.

BlueinOhio

(238 posts)
11. For sale
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 12:55 PM
Jul 2013

Part of the crazy idea that nature can be replaced with man made items for sale. Would create billions in revenue. Same people that bring you right to life also brings if you kill for a profit it's okay. Really though they have the robot bee army just waiting and as a bonus they probably have spying capabilities.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
49. here's a pertinent quote
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 07:07 PM
Jul 2013

"At present, I allow, we must have forests, for the atmosphere. Presently we find a chemical substitute. And then, why any natural trees? I foresee nothing but the art tree all over the earth. In fact, we clean the planet."
--Filostrato, That Hideous Strength

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
35. Interesting Factoid:
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 02:06 PM
Jul 2013
Bayer, IG Farben and World War II:
Slave Labour and Deadly Gas
Bayer (along with BASF and Hoechst) was an original member of the IG Farben group. During WWII, IG Farben built a synthetic rubber and oil plant complex called Monowitz close to the Auschwitz concentration camp.

Inmates worked as slave labour for IG Farben, and when they were too weak to work they were killed in the gas chambers. IG Farben subsidiary Degesch manufactured Zyklon B, the gas used in the concentration camp gas chambers.

http://www.corporatewatch.org/?lid=320

cliffordu

(30,994 posts)
69. Pynchon talked about this in Gravity's Rainbow
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 06:53 AM
Jul 2013

They also sold lenses for German u-boats while selling parts for the Norden bomb sight throughout the war.

Our worldwide political stances mean absolutely nothing. The national borders mean nothing. The multinationals own everything.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
47. mind telling me what your goal with snark is, here?
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 05:03 PM
Jul 2013

The "honey" pun would be mildy amusing in a different context, but laughing over the mass deaths of bees strikes me as pretty fucked up.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
55. What's COOL though is the CAUSE is exposed....
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 08:09 PM
Jul 2013

I swear, it's like the absolute EVIL of Capitalism is on full display when a chemical company doesn't care if humanity dies off.

Especially when the "chemical company" is RUN by humans.

At least I HOPE it is.

It would be a hell of a note to find out it was run by rival bees.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
59. ...
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 08:55 PM
Jul 2013


The bees are innocent. So are all the other animals we're so intent on running off the face of the earth. It's people who suck.......

Thanks for not being one of them.
 

BlueJazz

(25,348 posts)
62. It's some people who suck. Flame me if you want but you've seem to have met ...
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 09:36 PM
Jul 2013

...a lot of the shitty ones.

 

NoMoreWarNow

(1,259 posts)
13. so very sad
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 12:57 PM
Jul 2013

I have seen a decrease in bees in the past few years... I live next to a large farm... wonder if they are spraying this shit.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
32. fucking TrueGreen "Lawncare" came around trolling for new customers
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 01:54 PM
Jul 2013

two little shit salesmen in their suits and attitude. Giving me the line....I said hell no, I don't want poison on my lawn, that's why there are no lightning bugs anymore.

Little jackass says, "oh it's harmless, you could drink it." I said, great, but I prefer the bio-diversity. Wish I'd said, "well nice! you drink down a glass here in front of me, and I'll sign up." (and they always put those little yellow Poison Warning flags on the lawn after spraying.)

Baitball Blogger

(46,750 posts)
37. Yep. It was TruGreen
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 02:19 PM
Jul 2013

They are so big that you never get the same person twice. If you're trying to grow a butterfly garden it's nealyr impossible to keep the poison off the plants because the next guy will probably be a new guy.

Volaris

(10,273 posts)
63. I've noticed that the last few summers too (about the fireflies)
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 09:41 PM
Jul 2013

20 years ago, they would SWARM the backyard on June nights, they were everywhere. This summer, I've seen one. ONE. I live in Missouri, far west side of St. Louis metro...

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
85. I was living in the boondocks on a mountain until recently and this time of year is MAGIC out there
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 03:10 PM
Jul 2013

here in the suburbs....different story.

If you can find areas where the ASSHOLES don't require their lawn look like a polyester carpet, that's where the lightning bugs are.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
19. It isn't just the specific pesticide> It's the ENTIRE CORPORATE AGRICULTURAL SYSTEM.
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 01:03 PM
Jul 2013

It's been proven that agriculture does best by diversifying crops, crop rotation, introducing organic fertilizers and using beneficial insects etc.

Our agricultural system has been made to primarily serve the stock market. Not consumers or even the growers.


Here is an article on Crop Rotation:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/04/opinion/sunday/crop-rotation-and-the-future-of-farming.html?_r=0

OneGrassRoot

(22,920 posts)
20. That's devastating.
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 01:03 PM
Jul 2013

It's amazing the plutocrats don't see that they're killing their own descendants as they destroy the planet (unless they have another planet ready and waiting to move to after they've raped and pillaged this one).



colorado_ufo

(5,737 posts)
23. Second, critical lesson here:
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 01:08 PM
Jul 2013

We must also be aware of the long-term consequences of our ingesting these pesticides, even in trace amounts. We are, physically, much larger than bees, so we can withstand this assault on our bodies much longer. But these traces can accumulate, and their damage has NOT been studied over a long period of time, as these pesticides are approved much too quickly.

Please! Shop and buy organic. The prices of organic foods, due to consumer demand, are coming down all the time. It is easy to offset the slightly higher prices by eating less food, especially less meat. You body will benefit from both the quality food and from less consumption, helping to curb the national epidemic of obesity. Organic foods taste better. In three months, your health will have improved, and the improvement will continue. And drink filtered water - water filter pitchers are very cheap, and since the water tastes better, you will drink more.

Just as we take bees and their contributions for granted, your health is a priceless asset, and none of us fully appreciates it until it is gone. If you health improves enough to avoid just one trip to the doctor, the money saved will pay for an awful lot of organic produce, milk, eggs, grains and bread, and meat.

One more thing: Bills to regulate and prohibit supplements, such as vitamins, minerals, and herbs, are being introduced all the time through the powerful lobbies of drug companies and others. Do not let these powerful groups take away your choices and your right to protect your health!

chervilant

(8,267 posts)
72. I am living proof
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 07:36 AM
Jul 2013

that everything you've said is true. I became a Vegan February a year ago. I have lost over 55 lbs, without changing how much I eat or how often. I feel fabulous!

Oh, btw, clean water IS essential. I use a 'filter' pitcher and keep water by me at all times. My baby sister taught me that when you feel thirsty, your body is already dehydrated, which stresses your whole body.

I take a multi B and use cold-press flax oil for my omegas, so I oppose big Pharma's efforts to eliminate those supplements -- *ANY* supplements!

All that being said, I (sadly) believe we are witnesses to our species' extinction event. Our arrogance and greed defines us...

honeylady

(157 posts)
24. Albert Einstein said that
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 01:10 PM
Jul 2013

if planet Earth lost its bees we would all be dead in 4 years from starvation. They pollinate 70+% of our food. Here in San Diego County, we're having problems because of the drought and the early heat. I have a honey business and am afraid I'll be out of business by next year. When I started my business in 2003, I could buy a 50 gallon bucket of honey for $50.00. That same bucket now costs me $150. God help us.

malaise

(269,103 posts)
60. It's beyond frightening
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 08:59 PM
Jul 2013

What kind of planet are we living for the generations to come.

Welcome to DU

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
27. THIS IS CRIMINAL!!! We're destroying Mother Earth's blessed creatures. It's murderous.
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 01:35 PM
Jul 2013

How can we stop this Death Spiral, to turn it in a better direction???

srican69

(1,426 posts)
30. our next door neighbors ( cuban american woman married to a gun nut) think that
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 01:49 PM
Jul 2013

god gave the planet earth to man and we are free to do what we want with it ....

when someone begins a sentence with God ... that is the end of all rational discussion.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
36. Even the "Dominion" weirdos have some notion of "stewardship"
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 02:17 PM
Jul 2013

that Humans have some responsibility, like a gardener tends their garden, using
"Christian Values", values that are no longer recognizable as anything having to do
with Jesus of Nazarath, values that have become woefully distorted & corrupted.

Christendom's sacred texts were written hundreds of years after Jesus was crucified,
it's all rumors & hear-say. On top of that, the Bible has been subsequently misinterpreted
many times over. Clearly, the "stewardship" meme is crap, and "Christian Values" just
so much window-dressing, which is ironically useful in "keeping up appearances".

This kind of murderous abuse to the planet, like poisoning all these bees, bees that we
ALL need to keep around, so as to not get completely sucked into an irrreversable Death
Spiral. And it may in fact already be irreversable, as Fukashima's was just a warning shot,
the tip of an iceberg of 1000s of nuclear energy plants that are becoming obsolete and less
safe as time passes, each one a potential repeat of Fukashima. Not good.

Volaris

(10,273 posts)
64. It might very well be the end of all RATIONAL discussion,
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 10:00 PM
Jul 2013

but that doesnt mean you have to come out on the losing end of the conversation. Next time she comes with that nonsense, counter with this:
Part and parcel to having Dominion over something, is the notion that you understand the Power you have to control or alter that thing for good, or for ill. Tell her if she thinks we can just do whatever the hell we want with this planet, without understanding or caring about the consequences of our actions, then she is in error in understanding God's charge to us. She, therefore, has FAILED in what God wants her to do, and, is therefore, a SINNER AND UNDESERVING OF SALVATION AND REDEMPTION.

Fuck these loons. They want to play that game, we need to be ready with a full and sharp and DANGEROUS understanding of Christian Theologic Principals. I get that not everyone around me is on the same page with the Faith as I am, but we have to decide, as a MOVEMENT, that we have to be DONE fucking around with tolerating these kinds of idiots, no matter what we have to study and learn and use to our advantage. Christianty as actually practiced by the Christ is SO RADICAL, if ANYONE ever actually attempted to implement it as a basis for public policy in this country, Glenn Beck would shoot himself in the head. And Glen Beck, I suspect, KNOWS THIS.

So fuck 'em. I'll use their weapons against them, because I have no fear of wielding it the way the owner's manual instructs me to...RADICALLY.

mahina

(17,682 posts)
28. Is any legislation proposed? Who are our allies?
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 01:48 PM
Jul 2013

Anybody have a legislator who could be encouraged to introduce a bil?

Doesn't Alan Grayson cruise DU sometimes?

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
29. this is the kind of news that makes me SO despairing....
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 01:48 PM
Jul 2013

It makes me want to stop coming to DU because I can't stop the tide of human destruction.........

I just.... just can't find any more words....

Moostache

(9,897 posts)
38. Just like climate change....
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 02:34 PM
Jul 2013

People have been talking about this for years....no one gives a damn because we have a country led by and for morons.

The Republicans may have started it and still hog the lion's share of the idiocy, but make no mistake, shithead Blue Dogs are just as much or more to blame

We get the fruits of all this idiocy now in the form of profits to their paymasters and then we will again when thE entire thing crashes down.

Makes me sick and really ruins my day thinking about how anti-rational the USA has been ever since 9-11-01. Between the embracing of idiots on the right, the lack of guts to protect civil rights and privacy on the left and the wholesale attack on all things scientific as "questionable" going all the way back to the OJ circus, we are well and goodly fucked....

Robb

(39,665 posts)
39. He lost 600 hives. He had twice that.
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 02:48 PM
Jul 2013

Per this article he had 1,000-1,200 hives this time last year.

There is definitely something wrong. Many signs point to neonicotinoids. But not knowing under what conditions this man kept more than 1,000 hives there could be many factors involved -- I say this as a backyard beekeeper.

I've mentioned before how commercial beekeepers on this scale feed their bees antibiotics, appetite stimulants, amino acids, fluvalinate, coumaphos and much more; they put out extra pollen, and extra sugar in solution -- all practices which generate more honey, but I believe contribute to a general lack of robustness in their bee population, especially as compared to wild hives or even backyard ones (which are not showing die-offs).

It is a staggering loss in one year. But that is a staggering number of hives to keep as well. I'll say again, the pace and scope of monoculture commercial farming is outdistancing the ability of natural pollinators to keep up without these massive, unnatural changes to the way they grow and reproduce. The reality of this does not obviate the need to use far fewer pesticides than we do, quite the contrary; these are two symptoms of the same problem (big ag), not simply causes for each other.

arikara

(5,562 posts)
66. Last year I had lots of bees
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 01:00 AM
Jul 2013

not just honeybees, but lots of different varieties of pollinators. This year, early on there seemed to be lots although not as many as last year. But I've noticed the past few days not one bee of any sort in the garden. Not one. I've been worried sick. I don't know anyone in the area who uses poisons.

felix_numinous

(5,198 posts)
41. What can people do
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 03:43 PM
Jul 2013

against giant corporations like Monsanto who hire Blackwater to defend their crimes? They have fleets of lawyers and lobbyists who now consider anyone complaining domestic threats...

I guess all the countries that ban GMO products and bee killing pesticides will help replenish our lands whenever we get around to breaking up Monsanto. Because it looks like there needs to be more 'proof' before our representatives snap out of their Earthkilling stupor.

Either that or well have to walk like an Egyptian and demand it.

Orrex

(63,218 posts)
43. I hate reading about this, but can I do about it?
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 04:14 PM
Jul 2013

We don't own any pesticides at all, other than a bottle of vinegar and dishsoap to kill cucumber beetles.

Is there anything that an average person can do about this massive and ongoing die-off?

aquart

(69,014 posts)
44. Trouble is, it's NOT being debated. Not in Congress where we need it to be.
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 04:25 PM
Jul 2013

And it won't be as long as Republicans wield extreme power.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
79. You really want Congress to deal with this? I cannot think of a scenario involving Congress..
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 11:26 AM
Jul 2013

... in which this turns out well.

KrazyinKS

(291 posts)
45. I am a big gardener, and I never use pesticides
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 04:43 PM
Jul 2013

I hate to. My Hollyhocks have rust, a type of fungus. Last year I got fed up and pulled them all. It has improved this year. Fungicides is very toxic, I hate using it. We have bees in our bird bath. Not as many as last year though. I guess they need water also. I don't fertilize my yard either. Because of water issues I don't plant fescue-which takes a lot of water to keep alive. I just live with what I have,and I love to garden. No pesticides-no herbicides

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
46. I've been mumbling for some time now that the next
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 04:47 PM
Jul 2013

big epidemic won't come from somewhere we're paying attention to, such as influenza coming out of China, but from some seemingly innocuous place. Like if too many bees die off and then something else proliferates as a result and then . . . well I know so very little about the actual workings of the biosystem that I can't say anything sensible, but we need to be a whole lot more worried about the chemicals out there, and what they are doing to the environment, than almost anything else.

KrazyinKS

(291 posts)
48. they call it food insecurity
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 05:15 PM
Jul 2013

that may very well be the next challenge. You have to feed this exploding population. It always amazes me the number of people that live in their little bubble and just block out unpleasant stuff. I think they are all on facebook too.

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
50. "Exponentially", just like human growth.
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 07:09 PM
Jul 2013

The answer is simple, but taboo to even mention. Stop breeding, you stupid humans. That's about as simple as I can put it. I don't give a rat's ass if it offends people. It's time to start being responsible.

 

4dsc

(5,787 posts)
53. I haven't seen any honey bees in Iowa this year
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 07:46 PM
Jul 2013

I haven't seen any honey bees in my back yard this year. I am very worried.

hopemountain

(3,919 posts)
56. the link redirects to the gallery page of pics!!!
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 08:09 PM
Jul 2013

i was going to post it on my fb for my beekeeper friends. damn.
fuck those greedy corporate spawns of satan.

DreamGypsy

(2,252 posts)
57. After the Wilsonville incident, the Oregon Dept of Agriculture instituted a temporary restriction...
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 08:37 PM
Jul 2013

...on products containing dinotefuran. The following is from the ODA Pollinator Incident Web Page

Restrictions on Use or Application of Specific Pesticides
OAR 603-057-0386
(1) Any application, regardless of application method, of a pesticide product containing the active ingredient dinotefuran on plants is prohibited. This includes, but is not limited to, applications on landscape trees and shrubs, nursery and greenhouse plants, turfgrass, forests and agricultural crops.
(2) Failure to comply with section (1) above may result in one or more of the following actions:
(a) Revocation, suspension or refusal to issue or renew the license or certification of an applicant, licensee or certificate holder;
(b) Imposition of a civil penalty;
(c) Any other enforcement action authorized under any law


An automated message was sent to all licensed pesticide applicators and consultants. The message stated:
"Effective June 27, 2013 the Oregon Department of Agriculture is restricting the use of 18 insecticide products containing the active ingredient dinotefuran while it continues investigating two large bumblebee kills. Common trade names of products include, but are not limited to, Safari, Venom, Scorpion, and Zylam.

The temporary rule prohibits the application of dinotefuran containing products on plants, and will be in effect June 27 – December 24, 2013.


It's only for 180 days, but that covers the current crop season and gives the ODA time to do more investigation.

The link provided has other useful information including a FAQ, for example:

10. I want to know more about some of the pesticides that I own. Where can I get information on pesticides?
A. An excellent source for pesticide information is the National Pesticide Information Center (NPIC). Their website address is: www.npic.orst.edu and their telephone number is: 1-800-858-7378.

11. The media is calling this a ban. Are all uses affected?
A. No. The Oregon Department of Agriculture did not ban the pesticide, dinotefuran. What we have done is restrict the use of the product, through emergency rule-making, to help protect pollinators. All applications to plants have been restricted.

There is also an email address where you can submit specific questions you might have.


As a blueberry grower (a crop which depends on bees for pollination) I am pretty happy with how the AG Department operates in Oregon. Agriculture is an important part of the Oregon economy, but we also (generally) care about our environment, health, and community.

WovenGems

(776 posts)
61. Is it a
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 09:14 PM
Jul 2013

coincidence that Bayer released a new pesticide a bee hive collapse occurred? Nope. When a change occurs in any system a prior change caused it. Things don't happen by magic. The reason no real investigation occurred is due to a billion ($) reasons.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
76. What a strange article.
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 10:52 AM
Jul 2013

I do not disagree that neonicotinoids are contributing to CCD in a big way. However, when neonicotinoids are the culprit is the loss of a hive, the bees simply disappear.

"A staggering 37 million bees have been found dead in Elmwood, Ontario, Canada."

If that's the case -- that 37 million dead bees were found -- it ain't neonicotinoids. Find another culprit.

mopinko

(70,155 posts)
77. i'm seeing this article verbatim on blogs, but no news stories.
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 11:22 AM
Jul 2013

i mean, there must be a newspaper up there somewhere that would have reported such an incredible occurrence. wouldn't someone have taken a picture of that?

i smell some bullshit here. same with the 50K bees in the parking lot.

i'm not arguing that bees aren't in trouble. just seeing this sort of "natural news" type freakout without anything you could call facts.

DreamGypsy

(2,252 posts)
80. So, you're a better source on this topic than the Oregon Department of Agriculture?
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 12:16 PM
Jul 2013

Partners collaborate to protect bees in Wilsonville:

6/21/2013

Public and private partners are collaborating in response to this week’s die off of bees in Wilsonville by taking measures to prevent further insect loss. Bee-proof netting is being placed on 55 European linden trees in the Target parking lot of Argyle Square at the site where an estimated 25,000 bumblebees were found dead or dying this week. Officials hope the netting will successfully keep additional bees away from blooms that have been attracting the pollinators.

The Oregon Department of Agriculture, City of Wilsonville, City of Sherwood, Xerces Society, and Valent USA have been working together on prevention and recovery efforts in the wake of the bee death discovery. Work crews are expected to complete the placement of nets on the trees as soon as possible.

Meanwhile, ODA has confirmed that the bee deaths are directly related to a pesticide application on the linden trees conducted last Saturday, June 15 to control aphids. The pesticide product Safari was used in that application. Safari, with its active ingredient dinotefuran, is part of a group of insecticides known as neonicotinoids. Valent USA is the distributor of Safari. ODA collected samples earlier this week of bees and foliage in the area, and conducted laboratory analysis.

ODA continues its active investigation of the incident to determine if the pesticide application was in violation of state and federal pesticide regulations.


See also my earlier Reply #57.

Here's a "news article" on the Canada bee deaths: http://living.msn.com/life-inspired/the-daily-dose-blog-post?post=360eaab3-d646-40b2-9a98-cc3ee5896cc6>1=32236

The Canadian beekeeper says 600 of his hives died/collapsed. How many bees does a typical colony contain?:

a single hive will usually contain:
1 queen
~60,000 larvae (up to 2000 hatches a day)
up to 100,000 workers.
up to 2000 drones.

all depends on the hive location (amount of pollen -> nectar produced)

and the time of year (just enough to survive the winter, and in abundance in spring).


37 million divided by 600 is 61,666.67 bees per colony, so assume a very average size for a spring/summer hive.

I had 100 hives in my fields for pollination this - which my beekeeper estimated at about 6 million workers.

'Nuff facts? I can offer more.


Overseas

(12,121 posts)
86. I don't even have children and grandchildren, but I think about all of yours'.
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 01:28 PM
Jul 2013

It is always so confusing to me that private wealth accumulation can acquire and sustain such force that it would actually destroy our planet in so many ways.

I keep wondering if these folks have grandchildren at all.

malaise

(269,103 posts)
91. It's frightening
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 05:28 PM
Jul 2013

Sometimes I watch people are they obsess over their latest 'toys' and I shake my head wondering how none of their crap matters to me. Some of them would starve their own relatives to acquire the latest trinkets. Nothing matters to them except money.

Judi Lynn

(160,588 posts)
92. Would you please cross-post this in Environment & Energy?
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 05:32 PM
Jul 2013

It's important for as many people as possible to see this information.

Thank you, malaise. It's bad news, but with more awareness maybe there will be more pressure to remove this deadly product from the market.

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