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This is simply the clearest, best warning to Black Bloc. This is needed to avoid Black Bloc helping Fox news.
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#Occupy #Anonymous Warning to #BlackBloc (Original Post)
DonCoquixote
Feb 2012
OP
The black bloc is anyone who is publically anonymous for the means of protest.
joshcryer
Feb 2012
#6
Another Anon found out who the poster of the OP's video is, and their video is better:
joshcryer
Feb 2012
#8
limpyhobbler
(8,244 posts)1. "we will get all up in your base"
That was funny
gateley
(62,683 posts)2. What is Black BLoc? nt
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)3. The creeps
Who get violent at OWS, believing that only violence will work.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)6. The black bloc is anyone who is publically anonymous for the means of protest.
Civil, or uncivil.
The irony is likely lost on "anonymous" who attends Occupy events wearing their ironic Guy Fawkes masks while at the same time bemoaning and demeaning autonomous actions.
99.9% of the black bloc is not uncivilized.
All it takes is one.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_bloc
This video comes off as pro-capitalist libertarian nonsense that has no place in Occupy.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)9. pro capitalist libertarian?
OK, that's funny. The very people who were exposing CIA documents and Bank of America documents long before Occupy started are now LIBERTARIANS? That is silly.
Remember Me
(1,532 posts)4. YES!! Agents Provocateurs
Anonymous knows about Agents Provocateurs. Hoory. And good warning. Gooooo, Anonymous!
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)5. Heh
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)7. David Graeber on the Black Bloc meme:
http://nplusonemag.com/concerning-the-violent-peace-police
I conclude, really, that the video in the OP is PSYOPS by the CIA or other intelligence agencies to make Occupy eat itself.
Even if you did not intend this statement as a call to violence, which I suspect you did not, how can you honestly believe that many will not read it as such?
In my experience, when I point this sort of thing out, the first reaction I normally get from pacifists is along the lines of what are you talking about? Of course Im not in favor of attacking anyone! I am non-violent! I am merely calling for non-violently confronting such elements and excluding them from the group! The problem is that in practice this is almost never what actually happens. Time after time, what it has actually meant in practice is either a) turning fellow activists over to the police, i.e., turning them over to people with weapons who will physically assault, shackle, and imprison them, or b) actual physical activist-on-activist assault. Such things have happened. There have been physical assaults by activists on other activists, and, to my knowledge, they have never been perpetrated by anyone in Black Bloc, but invariably by purported pacifists against those who dare to pull a hood over their heads or a bandana over their faces, or, simply, against anarchists who adopt tactics someone else thinks are going too far. (Not I should note even potentially violent tactics. During one 15-minute period in Occupy Austin, I was threatened first with arrest, then with assault, by fellow campers because I was expressing verbal solidarity with, and then standing in passive resistance beside, a small group of anarchists who were raising what was considered to be an unauthorized tent.)
This situation often produces extraordinary ironies. In Seattle, the only incidents of actual physical assault by protesters on other individuals were not attacks on the police, since these did not occur at all, but attacks by pacifists on Black Blocers engaged in acts of property damage. Since the Black Blocers had collectively agreed on a strict policy of non-violence (which they defined as never doing anything to harm another living being), they uniformly refused to strike back. In many recent occupations, self-appointed Peace Police have manhandled activists who showed up to marches in black clothing and hoodies, ripped their masks off, shoved and kicked them: always, without the victims themselves having engaged in any act of violence, always, with the victims refusing, on moral grounds, to shove or kick back.
The kind of rhetoric you are engaging in, if it disseminates widely, will ensure this kind of violence becomes much, much more severe.
In my experience, when I point this sort of thing out, the first reaction I normally get from pacifists is along the lines of what are you talking about? Of course Im not in favor of attacking anyone! I am non-violent! I am merely calling for non-violently confronting such elements and excluding them from the group! The problem is that in practice this is almost never what actually happens. Time after time, what it has actually meant in practice is either a) turning fellow activists over to the police, i.e., turning them over to people with weapons who will physically assault, shackle, and imprison them, or b) actual physical activist-on-activist assault. Such things have happened. There have been physical assaults by activists on other activists, and, to my knowledge, they have never been perpetrated by anyone in Black Bloc, but invariably by purported pacifists against those who dare to pull a hood over their heads or a bandana over their faces, or, simply, against anarchists who adopt tactics someone else thinks are going too far. (Not I should note even potentially violent tactics. During one 15-minute period in Occupy Austin, I was threatened first with arrest, then with assault, by fellow campers because I was expressing verbal solidarity with, and then standing in passive resistance beside, a small group of anarchists who were raising what was considered to be an unauthorized tent.)
This situation often produces extraordinary ironies. In Seattle, the only incidents of actual physical assault by protesters on other individuals were not attacks on the police, since these did not occur at all, but attacks by pacifists on Black Blocers engaged in acts of property damage. Since the Black Blocers had collectively agreed on a strict policy of non-violence (which they defined as never doing anything to harm another living being), they uniformly refused to strike back. In many recent occupations, self-appointed Peace Police have manhandled activists who showed up to marches in black clothing and hoodies, ripped their masks off, shoved and kicked them: always, without the victims themselves having engaged in any act of violence, always, with the victims refusing, on moral grounds, to shove or kick back.
The kind of rhetoric you are engaging in, if it disseminates widely, will ensure this kind of violence becomes much, much more severe.
I conclude, really, that the video in the OP is PSYOPS by the CIA or other intelligence agencies to make Occupy eat itself.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)8. Another Anon found out who the poster of the OP's video is, and their video is better:
Way better. No lecture, just a simple rebuttal (and total ownage of said "anonymous" .