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A sheriff and his sergeant in Washington state have bought burial plots next to Josh Powell's boys in order to block family members from burying him next to them, according to a media report Wednesday.
"The bottom line is, Josh Powell will not be near those two boys," Pierce County Sheriff's Sgt. Ed Troyer said in an interview with a Seattle-area radio program called the Ron and Don Show.
Josh Powell's surviving relatives wanted him to buried at the same cemetery as the two sons he killed, the city manager in Puyallup said earlier Wednesday.
But that does not look like it is going to happen.
Troyer and Sheriff Paul Pastor used their personal money and funds from Crimestoppers Tacoma-Pierce County to buy plots that are on either side of the boys, according to a report on the radio station's website that was confirmed by Troyer on Twitter.
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/15/10418602-police-buy-cemetery-plots-to-block-josh-powell-from-being-buried-next-to-his-boys
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,627 posts)He should not be anywhere near those precious boys!
Let him be cremated and his ashes strewn far away...
Zookeeper
(6,536 posts)I hope the use of those Crimestoppers' funds won't affect the prevention of another tragedy.
This sort of crime must be very hard on the police, emergency personnel and, particularly, that social worker who delivered the boys to him and was kept out of the house.
exboyfil
(17,863 posts)It seems like a misuse of funds. I am all on board with using your personal funds.
Missy Vixen
(16,207 posts)At best, it's a loan.
"Misuse of funds"? I think not. Neither does anyone else living in the Seattle area that knows anything at all about this sickening, tragic story.
greyl
(22,990 posts)1. Interfering with the surviving family's wishes
2. Using Crimestopper funds for civil activism
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)It's the family's call, not the police
Zookeeper
(6,536 posts)We don't know how the maternal grandparents felt about it.
BTW, apparently his father and brother exhibited some pretty disturbing behaviors. I think that's why the children were placed with the mother's family.
MADem
(135,425 posts)And I shouldn't blame them, either.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)intheflow
(28,476 posts)I think the Powell family has no fucking right to say where the children are buried, since they obviously are incapable of loving and protecting children.
shanti
(21,675 posts)i'll have to google this.
whopis01
(3,514 posts)The misuse of funds is just wrong - I agree with that.
But when it comes to the plots, all they did is purchase the plot. The family could have done so, but they didn't.
Beyond that, you could use the "interfering with the surviving family's wishes" either way. Some of the surviving family doesn't want him buried there. That's their wishes - who is supposed to get their way?
Missy Vixen
(16,207 posts)1. Please educate yourself on the facts involved before commenting.
2. The Crimestopper funds will be reimbursed by the $20,000 raised by a local radio station yesterday afternoon. There is NOBODY in the Seattle area that objects to this expenditure.
Zookeeper
(6,536 posts)I doubt that anyone would object if the Crimestopper funds are being reimbursed.
Kellerfeller
(397 posts)if they wanted to, right?
Pachamama
(16,887 posts)Too bad they couldnt prevent Josh Powell from even being buried in the same cemetery or even the state of Washington!
Rest in peace sweet little boys....so sorry you had to die at the hands of your evil father.....
Glad the Pierce County Police will be able to keep him away from ever being near you again....just wish it could have been done sooner.....
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)I don't understand Powell's relatives in the slightest on this. They should be at least trying to do the right thing by the Powell's victims, posthumously his sons and his wife. Not to mention the remaining relatives on his wife's side of the family. That is who they should be thinking about.
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)BlueIris
(29,135 posts)But I don't see anything wrong with this. I am so horrified by this man's terrible actions that the thought of his children's final resting place being disturbed by, well, his deceased body, sickens me.
I really hope the children are in a better place.
EFerrari
(163,986 posts)Zookeeper
(6,536 posts)who also are the grandparents of the children that he hacked up with an axe and then burned to death, would find it pretty ugly to be reminded of him when they visit the graves of their grandchildren.
It's too late for the dead; this is meant to be a comfort for the living.
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,627 posts)Amerigo Vespucci
(30,885 posts)I can't even pretend that I can put myself in the shoes of the surviving family members. That said, I have to believe that if I had learned that Washington Police had done this, I'd feel gratitude.
mercuryblues
(14,532 posts)Raine
(30,540 posts)then exploded and burned them up after murdering their mother.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)That's based on my first read. If I missed something, I'm willing to be enlightened.
Beacool
(30,249 posts)That sorry excuse of a human being lost his right to be buried with his children when he hacked them and then burned them to death. Aside from most likely being their mother's killer.
I hope that the bastard is rotting in Hell!!!!!!
LiberalFighter
(50,939 posts)and the interment of his body within 50 feet of their remains.
As it stands now, he could have their remains moved to another location unknown to the legal authorities. Which would make it possible to still be buried near them.
Missy Vixen
(16,207 posts)Josh Powell's father has no legal right to demand anything in this scenario. He's not the custodial parent. Susan Cox Powell's parents were the custodial parents, by court order. THEY are the ones who were able to determine where their grandsons were buried. Did I mention that Josh Powell's father is currently in prison due to a child porn conviction?
The Powell family attempted to have Josh Powell's remains interred in a public cemetery next to the two sons he murdered a week and a half ago. The Powell family has no legal right to get a "court order" on anything at all pertaining to these kids and their burial.
The Cox family, however, is preparing a temporary restraining order preventing the Powells from burying their homicidal son in the same cemetery as his victims. Members of the community came forward yesterday and purchased the plots on either side of the little boys. Considering the fact a local radio station raised $20,000 in two hours yesterday towards this effort, I'm fairly sure the prospective gravesite a short distance away will also be purchased. The group involved in the purchase has already offered the closer plots to the Cox family, when and if the remains of Susan Cox Powell are ever found.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)It just makes me feel a painful lump in my throat.
It's occurrences like this that make me wonder if there's any hope for our species at all. There are some people in this world that would give anything to be blessed with two beautiful sons. And then there are people like Josh Powell....
countryjake
(8,554 posts)as the Powell family has backed down on their intentions of burying the father in the same location as the two sons that he murdered. According to several local news reports this morning, the actual burial plot that the Powell's had reserved and which had already been prepared for Josh Powell's interment, a spot which was uphill and overlooked the grave of little Charlie and Braden, has been given up by Josh Powell's mother and the Woodbine Cemetery confirms that the grave is no longer reserved by that family.
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Powell-family-backing-off-gravesite-plans--139446858.html
http://www.thenewstribune.com/2012/02/16/2028652/powell-family-backing-off-cemetery.html
flexnor
(392 posts)dont think there arent people who'd do it, scout out grave vacencies, research those with more recent graves around and family still alive. or sections where friends/neighbors are buried in the same area
social media makes it far more possible to research relationships
buy up the best prospect, then offer them up at a premium when obits appear
off the top of my head, i can think of areas in my own home town's cemetary that this would totally apply to, i'm just not scummy enough to do it
but a lot of people are, any scam that can be thought of is a scam people will do. might be a good way for those who run the mugshot extortion websites to invest their money (where they take a persons mugshot, and make sure it's the first thing that shows up when a person's name is googled UNLESS a fee is paid)
similar to domain name squatting when the internet got started
i think the harm that can be done from future non-justified spite buying and speculation outweighs the good that can be done here
from seinfeld
"And why do you wish to return this sir?"
"Spite! I don't like the salesman who sold it to me"
"I'm sorry sir, but I don't think we can refund an item for spite"
Missy Vixen
(16,207 posts)Perhaps you should acquaint yourself with what exactly happened to Charlie and Braden Powell (and most likely, their mother, Susan,) at the hands of Josh Powell before insisting Crimestoppers paying for the adjoining graves would leave the door open for "scalping" gravesites in any situation. It's ridiculous.
Feel free to start with the following.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2017434073_powell06m.html
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2017512903_powell16m.html
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2017522364_apusmissingmomutahburial.html
BTW, I'm curious to know what YOUR reaction would be if the family members of the person that murdered three members of your family decided they wanted to be buried next to them. I'm sure you'd think that was just fine, wouldn't you?