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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMLK and Gandhi on Breaking Unjust Laws
There are just laws and there are unjust laws. I would agree with St. Augustine that an unjust law is no law at all
One who breaks an unjust law must do it openly, lovingly
I submit that an individual who breaks a law that conscience tells him is unjust, and willingly accepts the penalty by staying in jail to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the very highest respect for law.
Letters from the Birmingham Jail
An unjust law is itself a species of violence. Arrest for its breach is more so. Now the law of nonviolence says that violence should be resisted not by counter-violence but by nonviolence. This I do by breaking the law and by peacefully submitting to arrest and imprisonment.
Non-violence in Peace and War 1942-49
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)What if the society just does not give a damn? You have to remember that the biggest social movement in the United States is complete and utter apathy. Indifference is cool, involvement is lame. Ethics seem to shift and flop around depending on who's in charge, and most people just happy accept the law is good because it's the law and laws are good because it's the law.
It's sort of a less extreme problem of the problem with applying Gandhi's philosophy to certain problems... Sometimes hte people you're facing honestly and completely do not care about the suffering you undergo. Or worse, perhaps they actively enjoy it. "Take their abuse until they get sick of it" is becoming less and less applicable in the modern world.
arely staircase
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ForeignandDomestic
(190 posts)The founding fathers should have just turned themselves in after they dumped all that tea in the harbor!
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)ForeignandDomestic
(190 posts)Almost all revolutions and protest start off as non-violent, they rarely ever stay that way..
Both Gandhi and King were ultimately willing to sacrifice themselves to a unjust systems. The selflessness they shown is beyond admirable!
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)Snowden was not protesting US whistleblower laws, but whistleblowing is his crime.
On a side note:
Do you think those who illegally download music and movies should turn themselves in as a protest against an unjust law.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)but to get free music. In other words, not for a higher good but for self-serving reasons.
So you may be on to something.
Number23
(24,544 posts)I had an interesting chat with a British colleague of mine who is absolutely baffled that Snowden fled to Russia. He fully 100% supports what he did and said that if Snowden had stayed in the States, he would be leading the marches to protest his freedom.
He also felt that the only real issue was what the surveillance programs are doing and that was by far the only interesting and relevant part of the story. But again, he felt that Snowden fleeing the scene made the story about him instead of these "insidious programs" to use his language.
I agreed with him in large part. I disapprove of what Snowden did but I completely disapprove of the Patriot Act and think the surveillance is and should have always been the story.
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