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DavidDvorkin

(19,479 posts)
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 05:42 PM Feb 2012

Someone paid for this bit of art

I saw this hanging on the wall of a medical office building today. Someone actually paid for this, and for the babble-babble text that accompanies it.

The reflection of the man holding a cell phone, and the flash reflection, improve the work.

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Someone paid for this bit of art (Original Post) DavidDvorkin Feb 2012 OP
I'm an artist and I think it's quite good lunatica Feb 2012 #1
I'm an artist and I think most art hanging in offices and restaurants is garbage onehandle Feb 2012 #2
In the Oakland Kaiser Hospital they have all kinds of art and craftworks on the hall walls lunatica Feb 2012 #23
A brilliant depiction of the eternal truth about a fool and his money... infidel dog Feb 2012 #3
:) DavidDvorkin Feb 2012 #8
im glad we dont have Michelangelo hanging in all our office buildings Enrique Feb 2012 #13
and...? marions ghost Feb 2012 #4
Never have an opinion? Never express an opinion? DavidDvorkin Feb 2012 #9
Fine to express your opinion... marions ghost Feb 2012 #20
Did you read the meaningless text attached to the work? DavidDvorkin Feb 2012 #21
Take out marions ghost Feb 2012 #22
It's valuable because the Dalai Lama thought enough of it to take the picture Egalitariat Feb 2012 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author Obamanaut Feb 2012 #6
Aside from the fact that I'm an artist and I like this... NV Whino Feb 2012 #7
An actual image of the piece at the link Bluenorthwest Feb 2012 #10
Dunning-Kruger. If you don't know how ignorant you are, you're too ignorant to have an opinion saras Feb 2012 #11
My, my, my. DavidDvorkin Feb 2012 #17
There are so many "enlightened" art lovers tabasco Feb 2012 #12
+1,000,000,000,000,000,000 Odin2005 Feb 2012 #25
thanks for posting, but we can't see it Enrique Feb 2012 #14
Two things DavidDvorkin Feb 2012 #15
I'm far from an art expert Enrique Feb 2012 #19
"If I don't understand it, it's not art!" A-Schwarzenegger Feb 2012 #16
Ab so lutely. sibelian Feb 2012 #35
I'll pass that along to Dagwood. A-Schwarzenegger Feb 2012 #37
I never "get" art, but I have no idea what you find wrong/strange/odd with this. nt GobBluth Feb 2012 #18
If that's art then I'm Rembrandt. Odin2005 Feb 2012 #24
If, on payday, your boss announced that she couldn't meet payroll... greendog Feb 2012 #26
I'd go for the lithograph. GoneOffShore Feb 2012 #27
Mmmmm....SnoBalls.... n/t lapislzi Feb 2012 #33
I'd take the lithograph, sell it, and think that the buyer was a fool. DavidDvorkin Feb 2012 #36
I need to get in on this racket; if people will pay good money for LeftinOH Feb 2012 #28
Do you really have nothing better to do than obsess over an image in a doctor's office? lapislzi Feb 2012 #29
The art is in the second photo, not the first. Courtesy Flush Feb 2012 #30
You have just perfectly encapsulated what I think. sibelian Feb 2012 #34
I also dabble. I agree - I hate things like this. But then I have a definition of Art. sibelian Feb 2012 #31
Is the reflection of a person taking a picture part of the art? Tyrs WolfDaemon Feb 2012 #32
It is now A-Schwarzenegger Feb 2012 #38
Weird piece. Especially the bright flash gort Feb 2012 #39

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
1. I'm an artist and I think it's quite good
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 05:46 PM
Feb 2012

It does a great job of depicting space.

There's no accounting for tastes is there?

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
2. I'm an artist and I think most art hanging in offices and restaurants is garbage
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 05:55 PM
Feb 2012

Art appreciation is personal expression and the lifeblood of the arts.

I'm glad when people even have an opinion of art.

Both of you are right.



lunatica

(53,410 posts)
23. In the Oakland Kaiser Hospital they have all kinds of art and craftworks on the hall walls
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 10:31 AM
Feb 2012

It's quite good and all of it is original.

But I know what you're talking about.

infidel dog

(273 posts)
3. A brilliant depiction of the eternal truth about a fool and his money...
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 06:05 PM
Feb 2012

Thank goodness for the artistic progress we've made since that Michelangelo guy.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
4. and...?
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 06:08 PM
Feb 2012

I see a lot of stuff I don't like in art--everywhere!

It's personal taste. Today there are no rules about what you should create, or what you should like.
There's something for everybody in art now.

Don't like, don't look.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
20. Fine to express your opinion...
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 08:15 PM
Feb 2012

but your closed attitude about this is kinda extreme (IMO). It may not be the best piece of art but it sure ain't the worst (IMO)--& there are also worse things to criticize than artspeak (IMO)--people trying to talk about art is always lame. It's only meant to give clues.

Also, with so much in the visual realm to bash, why pick on a benign static image? How about the ugliness and horror of the landscape being bulldozed and made into a quagmire of clogged roads, parking lots, ugly box stores?

Here's another idea to think about--artists KNOW many people will not appreciate their work and they do their work for those who DO.

I am sure there is an artist out there you would like if you actually ever looked at art.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
22. Take out
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 08:52 PM
Feb 2012

sentences 3,4,5 of paragraph 2. Then it's a lot better. Agreed, that part is a bad mess. Still I do kinda get what the thing is saying (not sure I'm convinced--would have to see more work).

But you miss my point--how about not dwelling on something as small and harmless as this and be brave enough to go after big ugliness and seriously offensive things. This is at least trying to be positive.

As for this kind of art, look at more of it and find what speaketh to U.

 

Egalitariat

(1,631 posts)
5. It's valuable because the Dalai Lama thought enough of it to take the picture
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 06:15 PM
Feb 2012

That's how artists get big while they're still alive. They get a famous person to start collecting their work, and then everyone else wants it.

Response to DavidDvorkin (Original post)

NV Whino

(20,886 posts)
7. Aside from the fact that I'm an artist and I like this...
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 06:47 PM
Feb 2012

Thank god someone is buying art.

Personally, I'm pleased to have some of my own work in local hospitals.

 

saras

(6,670 posts)
11. Dunning-Kruger. If you don't know how ignorant you are, you're too ignorant to have an opinion
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 07:15 PM
Feb 2012

You might have tastes, but so do bacteria. I suppose there are people who don't read books because they don't care for serif fonts, either.

Do I like it? I don't know, I don't have enough information. I'd have to go there and see it in context, and learn enough about the artist to understand what she was trying to accomplish, and enough about the location to know why it was chosen.

Michaelangelo I understand. His purposes were decoration and Christian propaganda. The fact that he was really good at it - well, he was. So what?

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
12. There are so many "enlightened" art lovers
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 07:18 PM
Feb 2012

who say just everything is art. If my dog takes a shit, they would say it is art. If somebody pisses in a jar and puts a crucifix in it, they say it's art. What these "enlightened" people do is diminish true artistic expression, which requires a bit more effort and feeling than pissing in a jar, IMO.

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
14. thanks for posting, but we can't see it
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 07:32 PM
Feb 2012

Not much to say about an art piece we can't see. Anyway as long as you posted it, why not say what you don't like about it?

DavidDvorkin

(19,479 posts)
15. Two things
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 07:43 PM
Feb 2012

The work itself is abstract images that convey very little, despite the hyperbole used to describe the artist's intent.

Second, the text itself is meaningless babble.

I don't know why you can't see the image.

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
19. I'm far from an art expert
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 07:49 PM
Feb 2012

but I'm pretty sure a giant reflection taking up half the area of the piece make it impossible for anyone to make any kind of judgement at all, at any level of expertise. Imo anyone who gives an opinion about this based on your photo is really talking about their prejudices about modern art, which are perfectly fine to have, but it's not fair to this artist. But life isn't fair.

greendog

(3,127 posts)
26. If, on payday, your boss announced that she couldn't meet payroll...
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 10:55 AM
Feb 2012

...and offered you the choice between:

A. A bag of Hostess Snowballs and a can of Keystone Light.
or...
B. A lithograph by Lita Albuquerque.

How long would it take you to decide?



LeftinOH

(5,354 posts)
28. I need to get in on this racket; if people will pay good money for
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 11:03 AM
Feb 2012

a circle with a rectangle over it, I can be an artist too.

lapislzi

(5,762 posts)
29. Do you really have nothing better to do than obsess over an image in a doctor's office?
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 11:05 AM
Feb 2012

It's not offensive. The mumbo jumbo of the text is harmless.

So you think it's frivolous/silly/cracked. OK. You're entitled to think that.

Trust me, I'd rather look at an image like that than the propagandistic images of fetuses and glowing pregnant women that I see every time I go to the gynecologist. But I'm not grousing about them. I shrug it off.

Find a hobby.

Courtesy Flush

(4,558 posts)
30. The art is in the second photo, not the first.
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 11:08 AM
Feb 2012

If a piece of art requires an accompanying dissertation explaining why it's art, then the dissertation is the true creative product. Any object hanging next to it will suffice.

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
31. I also dabble. I agree - I hate things like this. But then I have a definition of Art.
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 11:19 AM
Feb 2012

I think it has to make you feel something. I don't feel anything at all in looking at this.

I know, this is going to preclude a lot of things currently passing for art in the modern art scene - which more and more seems to accept the definition of it's art if it's hung in a gallery which is obviously ridiculous. I also reject much of 20th century modern art.

There will doubtless be many who think I'm not giving this particular piece enough space or I don't *understand* it, but I am completely against the idea that art requiring explanation or understanding is art, I think that's something else. I don't really know if there's a word for what it is, but using the word art to describe it devalues the term. If it has to be explained or understood, then it's failed. If it's trying to tell me something then I should be able to see what it is, I should feel the impact of it straight away.

Also, I think's it worth pointing out that if you take anything at all, a brick, a colostomy bag, a pair of garden shears, and arrange it nicely on a white background and put it in a pretty frame or an unusual context then of course it's going to look posh - that doesn't make it meaningful!

Tyrs WolfDaemon

(2,289 posts)
32. Is the reflection of a person taking a picture part of the art?
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 11:20 AM
Feb 2012

The inclusion of the photographer could change the meaning of the piece.

Having a person taking a picture from within the moon as it gets hit brings the context of humanity into the art, as it depicts the potential for us to witness such an awe inspiring sight as our moon exploding. This would lead us to think about how such an event might affect our lives on this planet. It also points to how perilous it is in our universe.

However, if the photographer is not part of the piece then the moon being hit could speak to the vastness of space and the many interactions we as a people may and will never know.

At this point I’m putting too much thought into it for a Friday morning as I can see all sorts of questions and lines of thought the art could invoke.

gort

(687 posts)
39. Weird piece. Especially the bright flash
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 05:29 PM
Feb 2012

With a man holding what appears to be a camera...

I have a weird taste in art, too.

For instance I would love to have this piece:

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