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grasswire

(50,130 posts)
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 12:02 AM Jul 2013

Rachel Jeantal's smackdown of Don West's daughters.

Piers Morgan asked her what she thought of that photo put on FB by one of West's daughters, mocking Jeantal and belittling her.

She said something like "Look at the picture. Blond white girls! Where I live we consider blond girls to be dumb."

Ouch!!!

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Rachel Jeantal's smackdown of Don West's daughters. (Original Post) grasswire Jul 2013 OP
That says more about her than Don West's daughters. NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #1
No. It says more about you. DURHAM D Jul 2013 #2
In what way? NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #3
The look pretty dumb to me...look who they have for dad HipChick Jul 2013 #5
And, look at how they were "belittling" Rachel. Smart people don't Cha Jul 2013 #27
Smart people do not belittle others? Puzzledtraveller Jul 2013 #45
She was quite cool tonight. Would have liked a friend like her. Knew a bunch Hoyt Jul 2013 #53
fellow durhamite here... just from reading the quote Tunkamerica Jul 2013 #78
Didn't say she didn't like em.....she said she thought they were dumb. VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #4
Good post. I am also a blond. DURHAM D Jul 2013 #6
Blonde ChazII Jul 2013 #160
So all blonds are dumb? LisaL Jul 2013 #7
I have always said....I am not blond for no reason... VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #10
I think the point might have been missed by you. Tunkamerica Jul 2013 #79
No just all black people malaise Jul 2013 #73
LOL...maybe in my younger days. NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #8
It's just as bad to tease a blond girl with dumb blond jokes as it is to tease an African-American JDPriestly Jul 2013 #72
Yeah, don't forget the time those Brunette Supremacists blew up that Church and killed FSogol Jul 2013 #120
You can harm an individual child's self esteem just as much regardless of race. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #121
They made fun of her. She made fun of them. FSogol Jul 2013 #126
They should not have made fun of her nor she of them. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #132
Do you know what the blonde said when I blew in her ear? kwassa Jul 2013 #134
The difference is she did it on national television Bake Jul 2013 #150
So, the African American girl is always wrong? Got it. FSogol Jul 2013 #151
Always? Nope Bake Jul 2013 #153
Those white girls were humiliating her. polly7 Jul 2013 #9
Not defending bigotry or hate... NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #12
Sure you have been ....... I've been seeing you do it for days. Nonstop. polly7 Jul 2013 #14
See it your way, Polly. NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #19
Awwwies. polly7 Jul 2013 #21
Have it your way. Thanks for criticizing their and B37s belittling of her with equal zest! Anansi1171 Jul 2013 #89
+++ Whisp Jul 2013 #90
You really are very sarcasm challenged aren't you? VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #18
it doesn't go 'both ways', Whisp Jul 2013 #26
It doesn't? NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #29
No. The racism you have experienced may be only one way. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #76
I think you guys agree. Tunkamerica Jul 2013 #80
of course you are. you're one of the usual suspects and there's a pizza in your future. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #60
I sure fucking hope so. Moses2SandyKoufax Jul 2013 #69
She is a teenager who lost a close friend, reacting to an insult. Imagine if you can her state of sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #97
It was very inappropriate. NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #155
Why is it inappropriate for someone under attack, not to mention having experienced the murder sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #157
In my earlier post... NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #158
I agree and in general, if a fair society, it is the INITIATOR of a conflict who is responsible for sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #159
Oh hell you've done it now ... Bake Jul 2013 #154
Yeah, I know. NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #156
That's absolutely the argument Scootaloo Jul 2013 #16
+1000. nt. polly7 Jul 2013 #17
really, why the fuck are they still here JI7 Jul 2013 #32
I'm guessing that people just aren't alerting? Scootaloo Jul 2013 #36
the first night i alerted on several of them, never got a response. one i alerted on twice. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #61
+1. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #62
+++++ JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #83
+ a bunch. Hoyt Jul 2013 #107
No. But their hair color isn't the reason they are mean, and has nothing to do with the fact that JDPriestly Jul 2013 #74
I am deleting ALL my posts on this topic as the point was missed MagickMuffin Jul 2013 #77
So, any blonde should dye to erase the stigma of being dumb? Tunkamerica Jul 2013 #82
I would almost bet that Hillary dyes her hair that color, MagickMuffin Jul 2013 #129
So that means it's OK to insult someone based upon their hair color? EOTE Jul 2013 #93
+1000. premium Jul 2013 #95
Yeah, I see your point. reusrename Jul 2013 #135
I have no fear of being called a racist, premium Jul 2013 #139
Another post I am deleting MagickMuffin Jul 2013 #130
You were justifying those ridiculously idiotic comments. EOTE Jul 2013 #137
One more post being deleted MagickMuffin Jul 2013 #141
I read your word jumble which has nothing to do with the topic at hand more than once. EOTE Jul 2013 #142
Last Post I will delete MagickMuffin Jul 2013 #143
And this post is even MORE relevant to the OP. EOTE Jul 2013 #144
I'm no Fool no sireeeeee MagickMuffin Jul 2013 #146
I point it out when people throw out bigoted insults at others. EOTE Jul 2013 #149
thank you. Tunkamerica Jul 2013 #81
They were calling her stupid, she said they're dumb. notadmblnd Jul 2013 #15
When did they call her stupid? NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #22
disingenuous one but you don't fool people you know HiPointDem Jul 2013 #63
The caption in the tweet from their ice cream cone celebration notadmblnd Jul 2013 #131
Here's a reminder of what his daughter posted on facebook, be sure to read the caption... Spazito Jul 2013 #20
Oh...didn't know about "we beat stupidity"... NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #23
Yep n't Spazito Jul 2013 #24
Pretty shttieee thing to post anytime. You think girls take after the ole man? Hoyt Jul 2013 #108
morons on drugs HiPointDem Jul 2013 #65
The "blonde" in the middle is so dumb... she forgot to bleach her eyebrows ;-) ! n/t Ghost in the Machine Jul 2013 #140
And your incessant defense of all things Zimmerman says a lot about you. Moses2SandyKoufax Jul 2013 #55
My, do you kiss your mama with that mouth? NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #58
Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #64
this was a 3-3 vote to keep it. I alerted after someone else apparently. Tunkamerica Jul 2013 #85
another of the usual suspects heard from. you must have missed the part about the blondies HiPointDem Jul 2013 #59
NaturalHigh thinks black people should know their place. n/t Moses2SandyKoufax Jul 2013 #67
+1 HiPointDem Jul 2013 #68
+1 JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #84
Now, just where and by whom did that sterotype begin? The answer is the problem in USA right now. kelliekat44 Jul 2013 #104
I'd imagine she rather dislikes blond, white girls who post pictures implying her she's stupid... LanternWaste Jul 2013 #122
It says crim son Jul 2013 #127
+100. n/t Skip Intro Jul 2013 #147
Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #11
bullshit! Being called a Saltine cracker....does not have the same connotation...that is ridiculous VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #13
Ever seen a sign that says no "slant eyes" allowed ceonupe Jul 2013 #25
Uh no I havent VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #28
So your point is only 60's era racial terms count? ceonupe Jul 2013 #37
Those who forget their history are doomed to repeat it! VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #39
Or James Byrd.... VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #41
In fact you should ask your grandparents if the term Cracker is AS racist as that word VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #31
crockin' shit no it doesn't. That's not fucking possible Whisp Jul 2013 #33
Forget the girls, who is Don West? Beacool Jul 2013 #30
Zimmerman's "knock knock" joke Attorney JI7 Jul 2013 #34
OK, thanks. Beacool Jul 2013 #38
Donny, you're out of your element. n/t Whisp Jul 2013 #35
Get your fucking facts straight!!!! Vattel Jul 2013 #40
I only recall seeing it after Jaentel's testimony. RedCappedBandit Jul 2013 #42
Maybe you should get your facts straight... Spazito Jul 2013 #43
What makes you think that a caption on a photo taken on Tuesday (before Jaentel's testimony) Vattel Jul 2013 #46
It is clear by the response by West and his defense team it was not about his opening argument... Spazito Jul 2013 #47
The defense team made a big point about the fact Vattel Jul 2013 #49
The photo, yes, NOT the photo WITH the caption that was posted on the Instagram account... Spazito Jul 2013 #51
But since it was a photo of a celebration Vattel Jul 2013 #96
Seriously?! The pretzel twists you are doing on this is amazing... Spazito Jul 2013 #98
Right. Vattel Jul 2013 #102
Did you miss it was posted 'AFTER' the testimony? polly7 Jul 2013 #101
No, but you apparently can't figure out Vattel Jul 2013 #103
Apparently you're working hard to defend racist garbage .... but why? nt. polly7 Jul 2013 #106
This message was self-deleted by its author Vattel Jul 2013 #109
I guess that is why daddy West and his insensitive kid was mortified. Do you carry a gun in public? Hoyt Jul 2013 #111
They should have been mortified. Vattel Jul 2013 #114
So, now you are finally understanding the facts on their insensitive ridiculing Rachael Jeantel. Hoyt Jul 2013 #115
see post 112 Vattel Jul 2013 #116
See #117 Hoyt Jul 2013 #118
The defense team made a big point about the fact Vattel Jul 2013 #49
And the caption was written AFTER. And the picture was posted with the caption AFTER. MADem Jul 2013 #52
Yes it is not complicated. Vattel Jul 2013 #99
You need to get the facts regarding this, and other aspects of Trayvon's murder, straight. Jeebus Hoyt Jul 2013 #113
Let's see if I can help you can acknowledge basic concepts of time. MADem Jul 2013 #119
see post 112 Vattel Jul 2013 #124
No. You keep rereading what I wrote until you start to understand it. nt MADem Jul 2013 #133
Is not that "pure speculation" also? LanternWaste Jul 2013 #123
You are right. Vattel Jul 2013 #125
That is a crock of shit! Little Star Jul 2013 #87
Interesting customerserviceguy Jul 2013 #92
The photo, but not the despicable comment/tweet. Get your facts straight. Hoyt Jul 2013 #110
You miss the point. Vattel Jul 2013 #112
No -- Obtuseness -- they used an old photo to go with their ridiculing of Rachel Jeantel. Hoyt Jul 2013 #117
She has a lot more class than I do BrotherIvan Jul 2013 #44
That blond stereotype is no more classy than the racist LittleBlue Jul 2013 #48
All stereotypes must be fought GiaGiovanni Jul 2013 #54
she is not one to call other Niceguy1 Jul 2013 #57
nit ine? HangOnKids Jul 2013 #66
i ridicule your post HiPointDem Jul 2013 #75
I don't recall her mentioning their race apples and oranges Jul 2013 #56
Try Minnesota... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #70
Piers is totally charmed by Rachel JI7 Jul 2013 #71
Good for her. pintobean Jul 2013 #86
pot, meet kettle Travis_0004 Jul 2013 #88
missed it last night handmade34 Jul 2013 #91
I'm a blonde... malokvale77 Jul 2013 #94
Blonde her too and love her response. Love her. Glimmer of Hope Jul 2013 #136
Fuck Wests' daughters. mstinamotorcity2 Jul 2013 #100
That just shows how pervasive racism is marshall Jul 2013 #105
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #128
So all blonde girls are dumb. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #138
Just white blonde girls. Skip Intro Jul 2013 #148
So her response to stereotyping is to stereotype? Kurska Jul 2013 #145
yay bigotry post is bigoted! nt galileoreloaded Jul 2013 #152

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
1. That says more about her than Don West's daughters.
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 12:04 AM
Jul 2013

Does she not like white girls or just not blond girls?

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
3. In what way?
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 12:08 AM
Jul 2013

By mentioning something that she said insulting two women? Or by mentioning that she brought up race? Or do you just not like blonds?

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
53. She was quite cool tonight. Would have liked a friend like her. Knew a bunch
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 02:20 AM
Jul 2013

like you, bigoted and gun types.

Tunkamerica

(4,444 posts)
78. fellow durhamite here... just from reading the quote
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 06:04 AM
Jul 2013

that is a legitimately ignorant statement. You obviously know that hair color has nothing to do with intelligence. If she had said that asians were dumb, or Inuits, or whoever it still would've been just as ignorant. True to her life experience? Maybe... but ignorance is ignorance.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
4. Didn't say she didn't like em.....she said she thought they were dumb.
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 12:09 AM
Jul 2013

big difference. As a blond myself I totally get her point...somehow you don't seem to....are you blond?

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
10. I have always said....I am not blond for no reason...
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 12:12 AM
Jul 2013

but go ahead and miss the damn point. Right wingers do not get sarcasm....I think it must be genetic.

Tunkamerica

(4,444 posts)
79. I think the point might have been missed by you.
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 06:08 AM
Jul 2013

She said she and her friends think people with blonde hair are dumb. If you agree with that, then you just might have fallen into an ignorant stereotype.

Obviously, this does not defend the Facebook post by the daughter.

Full disclosure: I am not a blonde or a female. I am white. I do think Zimmerman was guilty of a crime.

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
8. LOL...maybe in my younger days.
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 12:11 AM
Jul 2013

I barely have enough hair to determine the color now. Thirty years ago, maybe light brown.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
72. It's just as bad to tease a blond girl with dumb blond jokes as it is to tease an African-American
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 05:19 AM
Jul 2013

with African-American jokes, especially if the blond girl is in the minority. It is cruel. That does not speak well for Jeantel. Blonds cannot help being blond any more than African-Americans can help being African-American. None of us can help who or what we are. Women who have curly hair wish they had straighter hair, and women with straight hair wish theirs was curly. We have to accept ourselves and each other.

But Jeantel is very young and has a lot to learn. She has a tough time, I'm sure. But girls with blond hair don't necessarily have it easy. Some do, and some don't.

FSogol

(45,524 posts)
120. Yeah, don't forget the time those Brunette Supremacists blew up that Church and killed
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 12:54 PM
Jul 2013

those little blonde girls. Racism and the being the butt of a joke is exactly the same, right?

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
121. You can harm an individual child's self esteem just as much regardless of race.
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 01:23 PM
Jul 2013

Brunettes tend to get the good end of racism.

The individual child knows nothing about churches that blew up. They only know the pain of being teased and bullied. That can happen to any child of any race.

Societal racism is one issue. It tends to cause a lot of individual racism. But individual racism, teasing a child for having a different skin color or a different kind of hair is cruel on an individual level.

We all need to be far more loving toward each other regardless of race. I say that from the point of view of living in a very mixed neighborhood in Los Angeles in which we enjoy our diversity.

It is also wrong to tease kids because they are bigger or smaller or heavier or thinner than others.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
134. Do you know what the blonde said when I blew in her ear?
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 07:14 PM
Jul 2013

"Thanks for the refill!"


.
.
.
.
.
.

Yes, I am blond, too.

Bake

(21,977 posts)
150. The difference is she did it on national television
Wed Jul 17, 2013, 09:54 PM
Jul 2013

She was a terrible witness for the prosecution. She apparently made stupid remarks on CNN. Maybe she ought to quit while she's ahead.

Unless you want to open up the whole "creepy ass cracker" thing again.

Bake

Bake

(21,977 posts)
153. Always? Nope
Thu Jul 18, 2013, 12:35 PM
Jul 2013

But in your view, apparently, never.

I guess it's no longer proper to criticize ANYONE of Afrivan American descent for anything on this website. Regardless of whether its true.

The truth is that her testimony was AWFUL for the prosecution. You may not like that, but its the cold hard truth. And she did no favors for the prosecution, given the composition of the jury, with her combativeness and especially the lengthy exchange about "creepy ass crackers."

That was catastrophic for the prosecution. You can piss and moan all you like, but that may well have tipped the jury in favor of GZ. She was poorly prepped and a terrible witness. She didn't help herself on CNN either.

Bake

polly7

(20,582 posts)
9. Those white girls were humiliating her.
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 12:12 AM
Jul 2013

Let me guess, she should just take it and pretend it doesn't hurt ....... cause she's black. Don't you ever get tired of defending bigotry and hate?

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
12. Not defending bigotry or hate...
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 12:14 AM
Jul 2013

but since she's the one that brought up race, I'm not going to defend her either.

It has to go both ways.

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
19. See it your way, Polly.
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 12:19 AM
Jul 2013

Defending a legitimate jury verdict is not defending bigotry or racism. Verdicts aren't racist or stupid just because they don't go the way you think they should.

Go ahead though...call me racist or whatever you like. Get it all out. It will make you feel better. I'll sleep fine either way.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
76. No. The racism you have experienced may be only one way.
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 05:26 AM
Jul 2013

But racism can be any way -- by definition. Racism is judging people by their race. Anyone can judge someone negatively just because they are of a different race.

Just being blond does not mean you are mean. It is such a big mistake to think that.

Moses2SandyKoufax

(1,290 posts)
69. I sure fucking hope so.
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 02:53 AM
Jul 2013

I also hope that his fellow gun nuts get the boot as well. The gungeon is like our very own stormfront game preserve.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
97. She is a teenager who lost a close friend, reacting to an insult. Imagine if you can her state of
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 10:35 AM
Jul 2013

mind after she learned that her friend was dead, at that young age. As she said herself, it was unreal, looking at the time of death afterwards, she realized her friend had been shot just two minutes later.

And what were West's daughters doing posting her photo on the internet? Got anything to say about inappropriate it is for an attorney's family to do something like that?

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
155. It was very inappropriate.
Thu Jul 18, 2013, 01:28 PM
Jul 2013

No, I'm not defending Don West's daughters. I don't doubt that they are spoiled, privileged jerks.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
157. Why is it inappropriate for someone under attack, not to mention having experienced the murder
Thu Jul 18, 2013, 03:47 PM
Jul 2013

of a friend, to react however they feel to the totally inappropriate attack by the daughters of an attorney INVOLVED IN THE CASE???

I think she was far too nice frankly.

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
158. In my earlier post...
Thu Jul 18, 2013, 09:34 PM
Jul 2013

to which you replied, I was agreeing that yes, Don West's daughters' behavior was inappropriate.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
159. I agree and in general, if a fair society, it is the INITIATOR of a conflict who is responsible for
Thu Jul 18, 2013, 11:57 PM
Jul 2013

the consequences of the action that set everything else in motion. Eg, if George Zimmerman had obeyed the advice to remain in his truck, a teenager would have chatted on the phone with his friend on his way home from the store, and he would have made it home as he had a right to do. And we would never have heard of him. George Zimmerman otoh, is someone we may have heard of considering his propensity for violence, as evidenced by his police record. Rachel's response to West's daughters would never have happened had they not behaved in a seriously inappropriate and cruel manner.

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
156. Yeah, I know.
Thu Jul 18, 2013, 01:31 PM
Jul 2013

I got flamed over it. It turns out, though, that Rachel Jeantel didn't mention race; the OP did.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
16. That's absolutely the argument
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 12:15 AM
Jul 2013

Can't have this negress getting all uppity, now can we? She ought o know her place, and watch what she says!

Ugh.

Some DU posters are making my skin crawl. They should go back under the fucking rock.

JI7

(89,262 posts)
32. really, why the fuck are they still here
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 12:37 AM
Jul 2013

i keep seeing their names pop up wondering why they haven't been banned yet.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
36. I'm guessing that people just aren't alerting?
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 12:39 AM
Jul 2013
But then I know how hard it is to get a DU jury to consider racism to be an offense.
 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
61. the first night i alerted on several of them, never got a response. one i alerted on twice.
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 02:46 AM
Jul 2013

seems like du likes their trolls.

JustAnotherGen

(31,874 posts)
83. +++++
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 06:18 AM
Jul 2013

I have one on another thread who has brought up the old whine about some people getting to use the n word. How She has to be sensitive and others don't. Blah blah blah.

eta


35. Honestly it does tick me off that I am supposed to be sensitive while others throw it around.

But it's such a crass word I doubt I will find a use for it anyway.



I asked why it was important to use that word. When you whine about a word - but refuse to admit that there is extreme inequality in our criminal justice system - I see your true colors.

That - and when someone tells me the "had/have a black friend once".

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
74. No. But their hair color isn't the reason they are mean, and has nothing to do with the fact that
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 05:23 AM
Jul 2013

they are mean. Some blond girls are mean, and some are wonderful. Each person should be judged by their character and not the color of their skin or hair.

She is right to be angry at the girls for humiliating them, but not right to think they are mean because of their hair color or that all blond girls are mean. That's like thinking all African-Americans are dangerous. No. That is absolutely not true. That was Zimmerman's mistake.

MagickMuffin

(15,951 posts)
77. I am deleting ALL my posts on this topic as the point was missed
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 05:53 AM
Jul 2013

Last edited Wed Jul 17, 2013, 04:35 PM - Edit history (1)

altogether.

Just another reason I rarely post here. I usually have this issue of not being able to discuss my options as well as I should and it makes people crazy.


MagickMuffin

(15,951 posts)
129. I would almost bet that Hillary dyes her hair that color,
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 05:21 PM
Jul 2013

as I recall as a young woman her hair was brownish.

That does not mean she is dumb. Plus I never said blonds are dumb. So, perhaps you should reconsider your outrage!

The burden of proof is on you to prove that I said anything about anyone being dumb.

Dumb people come in all colors. Skin, hair, even so called smart people can be dumb.

EOTE

(13,409 posts)
93. So that means it's OK to insult someone based upon their hair color?
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 07:24 AM
Jul 2013

I'm amazed at the bigotry I see excused here so long as it's directed at the right people. West and his ilk nauseate me, that doesn't mean that Jenteal's comments are any less stupid.

 

premium

(3,731 posts)
95. +1000.
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 10:27 AM
Jul 2013

I now suppose I'll be called a racist because I agree with you? Oh well, I can handle it, I know I'm not as does anyone else who knows me.
 

reusrename

(1,716 posts)
135. Yeah, I see your point.
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 09:30 PM
Jul 2013

Considering our long history of oppressing blondes, the two are exactly the same.

You exhibit such sensitivity about this that it's no wonder you fear being called a racist.

 

premium

(3,731 posts)
139. I have no fear of being called a racist,
Wed Jul 17, 2013, 09:38 AM
Jul 2013

as I said, those that know me, know I'm not, I could care less what people on a chat board think.

EOTE

(13,409 posts)
137. You were justifying those ridiculously idiotic comments.
Wed Jul 17, 2013, 07:28 AM
Jul 2013

By saying that you can change the color of your hair but not the color of your skin. If that's not justifying those stupid comments, I don't know what is. Saying that those girls are dumb simply because of the color of their hair is stupid, period. And this is from someone who's fairly certain those girls are as vapid as they come. I can't believe the cheerleading I'm seeing over this shit here.

EOTE

(13,409 posts)
142. I read your word jumble which has nothing to do with the topic at hand more than once.
Wed Jul 17, 2013, 03:27 PM
Jul 2013

It was pretty much required considering how off topic and incomprehensible it was. Again, you didn't say anything about people being dumb for their hair color. I challenge YOU to show where I said anything about you saying that. What I DID say was that your comment was an idiotic attempt to justify those stupid comments. I'd ask you why exactly you mentioned being able to change hair color as opposed to not being able to change skin color unless it was to defend Jenteal's stupid comment. I would ask that, but I'm guessing you'd just post the same off topic nonsense again. How does your comment that people can change their hair color as opposed to skin color have ANYthing to do with the OP? It doesn't unless you're trying to excuse the stupid comments.

EOTE

(13,409 posts)
144. And this post is even MORE relevant to the OP.
Wed Jul 17, 2013, 04:16 PM
Jul 2013

Actually no, just more idiocy. Not upset, just don't suffer fools gladly. And the sure sign of a fool is to constantly change the subject when his idiocy is pointed out to him.

MagickMuffin

(15,951 posts)
146. I'm no Fool no sireeeeee
Wed Jul 17, 2013, 04:28 PM
Jul 2013

However, your insults will not upset me. Calling me a fool and an idiot shows that you really know how to throw insults around. Yet, you become extremely outraged over someone being called dumb.








EOTE

(13,409 posts)
149. I point it out when people throw out bigoted insults at others.
Wed Jul 17, 2013, 04:40 PM
Jul 2013

It's incredibly stupid to call someone stupid for having blonde hair. It's quite appropriate to call someone stupid for actually being stupid.

Tunkamerica

(4,444 posts)
81. thank you.
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 06:14 AM
Jul 2013

first even-headed comment i've read.

Do people really think it's okay to say all blondes are stupid? Does blonde hair excuse terrible behavior? Apparently it does for almost every poster above your post.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
15. They were calling her stupid, she said they're dumb.
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 12:15 AM
Jul 2013

I don't see what you mean "that it says more about her than them". Their behavior was pretty despicable, publicly mocking a witness in one of their father's trial. Some people would even call it bullying. Please, explain your thinking about how it says more about Rachael than the defense attorney's daughters?

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
22. When did they call her stupid?
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 12:22 AM
Jul 2013

I don't remember anything like that ever coming out, and I don't have twitter or facebook. What did they say?

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
131. The caption in the tweet from their ice cream cone celebration
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 05:44 PM
Jul 2013

With the crypt keeper defense attorney and his daughters the day Rachael testified said, "we beat stupidity celebration". They were talking about Rachael.



Again, I really would like to know your thinking when you say, It says more about Rachael than Don West's daughters?

If you weren't aware of it, How did you know it was twitter or facebook? I don;t tweet or facebook either, but I knew about it.

Spazito

(50,444 posts)
20. Here's a reminder of what his daughter posted on facebook, be sure to read the caption...
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 12:21 AM
Jul 2013

and also note the #daddykilledit as well. This was posted the night West has completed cross examining Rachel:





NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
23. Oh...didn't know about "we beat stupidity"...
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 12:24 AM
Jul 2013

I had seen the pictures but not the text. Pretty stupid thing to post in the middle of a trial.

Moses2SandyKoufax

(1,290 posts)
55. And your incessant defense of all things Zimmerman says a lot about you.
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 02:32 AM
Jul 2013

Mainly that you're a disgusting, racist piece of shit.

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
58. My, do you kiss your mama with that mouth?
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 02:40 AM
Jul 2013

I might not sleep tonight after that particularly insightful analysis of my character.

Response to NaturalHigh (Reply #58)

Tunkamerica

(4,444 posts)
85. this was a 3-3 vote to keep it. I alerted after someone else apparently.
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 06:22 AM
Jul 2013

Can we please keep things civil?

I have no knowledge of prev. posts from this poster, but you are out of line just judging from this thread.

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
59. another of the usual suspects heard from. you must have missed the part about the blondies
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 02:44 AM
Jul 2013

mocking her first.

where i live, turnabout is fair play.

so no, it says more about the blondies.

 

kelliekat44

(7,759 posts)
104. Now, just where and by whom did that sterotype begin? The answer is the problem in USA right now.
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 10:58 AM
Jul 2013

It was started by white males in positions of power and influence. It's cast in movies since i was a kid and I am 70. It's the brunt of millions of jokes everywhere. Even other women make the same references...especially in the south where they can't afford to bleach their hair.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
122. I'd imagine she rather dislikes blond, white girls who post pictures implying her she's stupid...
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 01:27 PM
Jul 2013

"Does she not like white girls or just not blond girls..."

I'd imagine she rather dislikes blond, white girls who post pictures implying her she's stupid... which in fact, illustrates much, much more of the West girls than anyone else.

However, you may of course, interpret it in any form which casts her, rather than the blond, white girls who initiated the vulgarity in any negative manner if you feel better validated by it.

Response to grasswire (Original post)

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
13. bullshit! Being called a Saltine cracker....does not have the same connotation...that is ridiculous
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 12:15 AM
Jul 2013

Ever seen a sign that said "No Crackers Allowed" in front of a rest room?

 

ceonupe

(597 posts)
25. Ever seen a sign that says no "slant eyes" allowed
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 12:27 AM
Jul 2013

Not all racial names are published on him crow signs

 

ceonupe

(597 posts)
37. So your point is only 60's era racial terms count?
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 12:40 AM
Jul 2013

I am an 80s baby but I don't believe racism frozen in the 1960s.

Many times I see some of my black friends make the most racist of remarks about other people I'm quick to correct them but I'm usually take back. Keep in mind these are college educated almost all from college educated parents in what I would call good homes. Surprised but I guess they feel others do it to them so........

But I don't agree.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
39. Those who forget their history are doomed to repeat it!
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 12:42 AM
Jul 2013

So yeah....I don't remember "Strange Fruit" being written about "Crackers" hanging from trees...do you?

editted to add

You think that it ended in the 60's?

Again ask your Grandparents about that!

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
41. Or James Byrd....
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 12:45 AM
Jul 2013

Oh yeah....


Wonder what those Crackers that wrapped that chain around his neck before they dragged him to his death called HIM?


and THAT wasn't the 60's

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
31. In fact you should ask your grandparents if the term Cracker is AS racist as that word
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 12:34 AM
Jul 2013

Grandma will box your ears young man!

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
33. crockin' shit no it doesn't. That's not fucking possible
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 12:38 AM
Jul 2013

unless black people used whites as slaves for those many years and considered them less than human for how many years.

jesus, wtf!

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
40. Get your fucking facts straight!!!!
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 12:45 AM
Jul 2013

That photo came out before Jaentel gave her testimony. It wasn't aimed at her. The bullshit never stops.

Spazito

(50,444 posts)
43. Maybe you should get your facts straight...
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 01:00 AM
Jul 2013

These are the responses by West and others on the defense team:

Update - 7:05 p.m.: Zimmerman’s defense team confirmed that picture was of Don West and his “mortified” daughters.

Evan Benn @EvanBenn

Zimmerman defense team spokesman confirms photo, says Molly West 'is mortified,' Instagram acct closed.
4:22 PM - 28 Jun 13

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Evan Benn @EvanBenn

Don West: "We're not always proud of things our children do, but we love them anyway, and then we move on."
4:22 PM - 28 Jun 13

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Evan Benn @EvanBenn

Spokesman: "We understand the context of the comments with what's happened in court this week are grossly insensitive."

The photo itself was taken before Rachel's testimony, the posting of it and the caption were put on her Instagram page AFTER her testimony.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/ellievhall/george-zimmermans-lawyer-goes-out-for-ice-cream-after-defend

Edited to add link.

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
46. What makes you think that a caption on a photo taken on Tuesday (before Jaentel's testimony)
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 01:35 AM
Jul 2013

was not about what happened on or before Tuesday (West's opening arguments)? I grant that it might have been a swipe at Jaentel, the least credible witness ever, but to insist that it was is pure speculation.

Spazito

(50,444 posts)
47. It is clear by the response by West and his defense team it was not about his opening argument...
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 01:41 AM
Jul 2013

"Spokesman: "We understand the context of the comments with what's happened in court this week are grossly insensitive.""

If you assume it is pure speculation then the spokesman for the defense team must have been purely speculating as well.


 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
49. The defense team made a big point about the fact
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 01:44 AM
Jul 2013

that the photo was taken before Jaentel's testimony.

Spazito

(50,444 posts)
51. The photo, yes, NOT the photo WITH the caption that was posted on the Instagram account...
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 01:50 AM
Jul 2013

The photo was a 'selfie', a photo taken by West of himself and his daughters during a recess on the day of his opening statement. His daughter posted the photo with the caption "We beat stupidity celebration" AFTER West cross-examined Rachel.

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
96. But since it was a photo of a celebration
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 10:33 AM
Jul 2013

and that celebration occurred before Jaentel's testimony, it stands to reason that the reference to a "we beat stupidity celebration" was not a reference to Jaentel. Get it?

Spazito

(50,444 posts)
98. Seriously?! The pretzel twists you are doing on this is amazing...
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 10:38 AM
Jul 2013

I know you get it, you just refuse to admit it. Her father and his defense team 'got it' that it WAS about Rachel.

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
102. Right.
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 10:51 AM
Jul 2013

It is such a pretzel twist to think that a caption that says "We beat stupidity celebration" on a photo of a celebration might refer to what was being celebrated in the photo and not to something that happened later. (sarcasm)

polly7

(20,582 posts)
101. Did you miss it was posted 'AFTER' the testimony?
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 10:47 AM
Jul 2013


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But this guy likes your style.
 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
103. No, but you apparently can't figure out
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 10:53 AM
Jul 2013

that the caption "we beat stupidity celebration" might be referring to the celebration in the photo, which was a celebration that occurred before Jaentel's testimony.

Response to polly7 (Reply #106)

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
111. I guess that is why daddy West and his insensitive kid was mortified. Do you carry a gun in public?
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 11:23 AM
Jul 2013
 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
114. They should have been mortified.
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 11:31 AM
Jul 2013

During a trial, the daughter of a member of the defense team referred to the prosecution's case as stupid. That was really dumb.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
115. So, now you are finally understanding the facts on their insensitive ridiculing Rachael Jeantel.
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 12:01 PM
Jul 2013
 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
49. The defense team made a big point about the fact
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 01:44 AM
Jul 2013

that the photo was taken before Jaentel's testimony.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
52. And the caption was written AFTER. And the picture was posted with the caption AFTER.
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 02:18 AM
Jul 2013

Sheesh, it's not compllicated.

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
99. Yes it is not complicated.
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 10:43 AM
Jul 2013

Let me see if I can explain it to you.

The photo was a photo of a celebration that occurred before Jaentel's testimony.
On the post, West's daughter called the celebration a "We beat stupidity celebration."
So it appears that her post was not directed at Jaentel's testimony.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
113. You need to get the facts regarding this, and other aspects of Trayvon's murder, straight. Jeebus
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 11:29 AM
Jul 2013

MADem

(135,425 posts)
119. Let's see if I can help you can acknowledge basic concepts of time.
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 12:50 PM
Jul 2013

The picture was taken beforehand.

The picture was POSTED AFTER.

The caption was ADDED AFTER.

So it appears that her post WAS directed at Jaentel's testimony. That's why her daddy expressed his embarrassment at his daughter's conduct.

Here, since you're having such enormous difficulty wrapping your head round the concept, let me give you an example--a simple, obvious one-- of a picture that was taken PREVIOUSLY, that is posted AFTER, and has a caption added AFTERWARDS.


"Lookee me, Ah'm an ASSHOLE!!!"

See? Picture taken BEFORE.

Picture posted AFTERWARDS.
Caption added AFTERWARDS.

Not.
Rocket.
Science.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
123. Is not that "pure speculation" also?
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 01:45 PM
Jul 2013

"the daughter of a member of the defense team referred to the prosecution's case as stupid..."

Is not that "pure speculation" also, as was your charge insofar as it referred to the young lady? Or do you have additional and absolute knowledge of the specific target of the caption?

We often illustrate our own biases when we hold others to a higher standard than we hold ourselves.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
92. Interesting
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 07:22 AM
Jul 2013

I wasn't aware of the timeline, and you're absolutely correct.

It was disgusting of Piers Morgan to even bring the West daughters into this for comment. Of course, we already know that Jeantel is willing to use "retarded" as a slur, so maybe he thought he could get her to use the word "cracker" again.

I said it before, I'll say it again, her testimony did not do the prosecution any favors.

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
112. You miss the point.
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 11:26 AM
Jul 2013

The comment was made later, yes, but the comment was "We beat stupidity celebration." The comment clearly suggests that the photo was of a celebration of beating stupidity. But that celebration occurred before Jaentel's testimony. So it seems reasonable to suppose that the stupidity being referred to was not stupidity that occurred after the celebration.

It's not rocket science people.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
117. No -- Obtuseness -- they used an old photo to go with their ridiculing of Rachel Jeantel.
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 12:28 PM
Jul 2013

It's that simple for anyone who is not trying to rationalize their bigotry and gun nuttery.


"The picture shows West and his two daughters holding ice cream cones. Molly West, 23, posted the picture to her Instagram account under the handle “mollywestttt” along with the caption “We beat stupidity celebration cones.” The hashtags “#zimmerman”, “#defense”, and “#dadkilledit” were added on as well." Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/06/29/zimmerman-attorney-says-daughters-instagram-post-immature-and-insensitive-apologizes/#ixzz2ZDrxdZmo


An Example: Here is a photo from 1950/60s of a racist who ran for office in Georgia. He claimed he was not a racist, even though his ads included words like "n_____s and J__s," and he was later convicted of bombing a church in Alabama.



My Caption 07/16/2013 -- "How many times can a man turn his head, Pretending he just doesn't see?".

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
44. She has a lot more class than I do
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 01:05 AM
Jul 2013

If I had seen those entitled princesses celebrating the murder of my friend, I would have said some things that would have gotten me banned. Those people make me sick.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
48. That blond stereotype is no more classy than the racist
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 01:42 AM
Jul 2013

stereotypes of Rachel Jeantel. You cannot judge people by their hair or skin color.

She will be ridiculed for this.

malokvale77

(4,879 posts)
94. I'm a blonde...
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 10:13 AM
Jul 2013

well, mostly gray now, and I thought that was a delicious response.

I think Rachel Jeantal shows a real sense for irony. The girl is not so stupid as some would believe.

mstinamotorcity2

(1,451 posts)
100. Fuck Wests' daughters.
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 10:46 AM
Jul 2013

What the hell going on. Who gives a sweet fuck about those dizzy broads. Tell them to go say it to her face. Betcha they won't. They are nothing more than face book thugs. I am really impressed.

marshall

(6,665 posts)
105. That just shows how pervasive racism is
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 10:58 AM
Jul 2013

Jeantel got belittled for her race and appearance, and she does the same to two other women. Our society is in a loop of prejudice.

Response to grasswire (Original post)

GreenStormCloud

(12,072 posts)
138. So all blonde girls are dumb.
Wed Jul 17, 2013, 09:08 AM
Jul 2013

That is sexist and hair-colorist. Prejudice in different clothes is still prejudice. But because Jeantal said it, many are in a swoon of loving it.

Skip Intro

(19,768 posts)
148. Just white blonde girls.
Wed Jul 17, 2013, 04:37 PM
Jul 2013

Now, white doesn't necessarily mean European, even though that's what most people think of when you talk about white people in the US. Clearly, Z is referred to as white, even though his skin color isn't white and he's not of European descent.

Easy way to keep score: If you're white, or look close enough to being white, you are assumed racist and anything you say or do can be twisted as proof. If you're not white, nothing you say or do can possibly be racist in any way. Facts are irrelevant.

The kicker? These rules are made and enforced by people who angrily denounce racism. Ironic, ain't it?

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