So are those boycotting Florida boycotting all the Stand Your Ground states?

[NightWatcher]

Or is it just trendy today because the Florida State prosecutor couldn't convict water for being wet?



I know we hate the South in here, but the Northwest has SYG laws as well. Are we righting off more than half the states in the Union, or are we going to work to fill the legislatures with Dems and change the laws from within?

[NoOneMan]

1. I thought they were boycotting where racist men kill boys and are let off by racist juries

[NightWatcher]

6. so you are punishing an entire state for one failure of the State's Prosecutor and 6 jurors?

You do realize that most of us aren't responsible for the trial and it's outcome?

Ok, that's fair. So when other states have a bad trial are they going to be added to the list?

[NoOneMan]

10. Me? I'm never going to go there anyway, so I'm not doing anything

Seriously, whats there thatd I'd want?

So when other states have a bad trial are they going to be added to the list?

I don't know. I don't write the rules. Maybe they should. Who are these boycotters anyway? Do they have a website? Maybe we could learn more there.

Do you think we should all just ignore where gross injustice occurs? Or should we respond in some other way you'd wish to govern? I think people should be allowed to respond how they want when crap like this happens, whether or not it pleases anyone.

[Go Vols]

78. Gross injustice?

The US imprisons more people per capita than any country on Earth,I think there is plenty of injustice to go around.

[HiPointDem]

85. and florida is #7 in incarceration rate in the US.

1 Louisiana 1619
2 Alabama 735
3 Oklahoma 661
4 Texas 639
5 Mississippi 634
6 Arizona 567
7 Florida 557


it's in the top 10 in many such categories.

10% of florida's population, and 23% of its black population is disenfranchised because of felony convictions.

http://www.sentencingproject.org/map/map.cfm#map

in striking contrast to say, louisiana, which has a higher incarceration rate but only 3% disenfranchised & 6.8% black disenfranchised.

[Squinch]

64. It's not really about punishing. It's about the fact that it seems like an unsafe place to go.

Especially just for a vacation.

[Puzzledtraveller]

89. It's just makes them feel better and superior, it's all projection.

[Scurrilous]

11. The racist man and half the racist jury all recently moved to Florida.

So, yeah, blame Florida.

[NoOneMan]

13. What is it about that place that attracts racists and makes others want to boycott it?

[Moses2SandyKoufax]

17. Good question.

Like Arizona, it's a redneck Israel! The northerners, and mid-westerners who move there do so because these states advertise themselves as a low tax, low service, racist, gun friendly holy land.

[Scurrilous]

34. I dunno. Ask LeBron.

[Moses2SandyKoufax]

36. He'll be a Laker in 2014. n/t

[Moses2SandyKoufax]

14. Because until this exact moment Florida was just a wonderful state!

Seriously, you folks down south need to stop blaming all of your states problems on people who move there from the north. Your states have been fucked up backwaters long before any "evil Yankees" arrived.

[William769]

18. You do realize 34 of the 45 Governor's have been Democrats.

One was other, that leaves 10 for republicans and one of those turned independent. Just some food for thought before spilling your bile.

[Moses2SandyKoufax]

21. It doesn't matter.

Lester Maddox was a Democrat, as was George Wallace, Bull Connor, Strom Thurmond (until 1964), Jesse Helms (until 1970), Sam Yorty (until 1980), and Frank Rizzo (until 1986).

[William769]

23. And lets go back to your other comment.

The majority of Floridians are from the North East & the Mid West, no matter how much you want to deny it those are the facts.

You missed several Democrats on your list. But thats understandable because like all of America being a metling pot of the world, so is Florida to America.

Your faux disdain is duly noted.

[Moses2SandyKoufax]

24. I know that about migration to Florida.

Many of the people who move there from the civilized parts of the US do so for the reasons I stated in another comment I made in this thread.

[npk]

79. LOL. Where are these civilized parts of the country you speak of.

I would like to move to a part of the country that is free from violence, racism, and corruption. Could you please provide a list for me if that is not too much trouble.

[Hoyt]

81. And as soon as the Civil Right Act passed, they started heading to Republican Party

who embraced the bigots.

[Scurrilous]

33. Backwater. LOL

The hospital I was born in is in the foreground:



Some backwater.

[Moses2SandyKoufax]

35. You're right,

it looks like a dried up swamp.

[1monster]

41. You don't know your Florida history. The Florida Constitution was ratified on 11-05-68

and was very progressive. It incorporated privacy laws and "government-in-the-sunshine" laws that were then copied by other states.

This state gave the country Senators Walkin' Lawton Chiles and Bob Graham. We also gave you Representative Claude Pepper. They were from the Old Florida.

The population of Florida has increased from 8,851,176 in 1970 to 19,317,568 in 2012. That is 10,466,392 more than in 1970. An estimated 85% of those people moved here from other states.

Now tell me that it's all because we have always been a backwater and that's why things are so screwed up in this state. No one said that Yankees are "evil." I moved here from a "Yankee" state myself in the early '70s. However in the '80s, most of the people moving here were Republicans and this state has never recovered from that.

[Niceguy1]

62. I wonder how many poor and

How many minorities will be effected? I am sure they will be greatfull when their hours are cut.

[NoOneMan]

65. No more grateful than when social justice is not afforded to them I imagine

[Niceguy1]

67. I bet many

Would prefer a paycheck.

[NoOneMan]

69. A paycheck isn't always worth having your baby shot dead on his way home from the store

But to each their own--that's up for them to decide. Everyone has choices, unless the economy and society robs you of them.

[BainsBane]

87. Right, because that only happens in one state in America

Read your local newspaper. That happens ALL the time. Look at how SYG is implemented. Read the recent articles in Mother Jones.

[customerserviceguy]

2. I'm not boycotting anything

but I have to ask, which one of the SYG states is in the Northeast? The only blue states with SYG are Washington, Oregon, Illinois and Michigan. Most every other state in red usually votes GOP, no matter how lackluster the candidate.

[NightWatcher]

8. typo, my bad. I meant Northwest

[Go Vols]

80. New Hampshire

http://www.unionleader.com/article/20130523/NEWS06/130529538

[MrSlayer]

3. No, that would require actual sacrifice.

Instead of mere feel good grandstanding.

[Scurrilous]

4. + 1,000

[LanternWaste]

5. Sending a message to one often sends that same message to many.

Sending a message to one often sends that same message to many. (For example, see the word 'example).

A rather difficult concept for the sub-literate, dogmatic crowd I know, but there it is. It worked when applied to the West Virginia mines in the twenties, though only three companies (out of 27) were specifically targeted.

History... more people should have it for breakfast instead of pretending they're clever and coming off as little more than a simpleton's bumper-sticker (too many empty calories, you see...)

[customerserviceguy]

37. The title of your post is chilling

I'm sure it formulated the basis for many really awful things that happened to individuals to 'teach" a group something...

[flvegan]

7. This one has the legs to become my favorite thread of the day.

[freshwest]

9. The only road to survival is to follow the second course. FDR and JFK did.

Regionalism is wrong, it's too close to Place of Origin prejudice and a hallmark of conservative methodology.

Because it feeds the hatred of The Other. We all have common cause, hating people in certain regions is a gift to the 1%.

[Lee-Lee]

12. NC is on the map, but

we really only have partial SYG- only in ones home, workplace, and car. Otherwise the state is duty to retreat.

[HolyMoley]

15. Pfffttt... No.

I see no valid reason to.

In fact, more than likely I'll be heading down to FL for a week in September to attend a wedding along with a few extra days to enjoy the weather.

[Lee-Lee]

19. I find it interesting that Illinois is a SYG state but had to be dragged kicking and screaming

to allow any form of CCW. Seems kind of an odd contradiction.

Anyone know the history on that? Recent change or has it always been that way?

[olddots]

20. Yes I am

[Marrah_G]

22. In recent years I have had no desire to travel outside the North East

[LeftyMom]

25. I see two states on that map that don't suck. Maybe three.

Was this supposed to be an argument in your favor?

[backscatter712]

26. Whoever said we have to be fair to racist bastards.

It's not strategic to spread our efforts.

So I say focus on Florida. They're the most symbolic today, thanks to the Zimmerman case, so let's make an example of 'em.

[LeftyMom]

27. And here I was looking forward to breaking Oklahoma's tourist industry.

[backscatter712]

68. Oklahoma has industry?

[LeftyMom]

70. I'm pretty sure OK's tourist industry is a truck stop outside Stillwater.

[hack89]

28. Considering we need Florida in 2016

at what point do we turn back on the love or are we that certain we can win the White House without Florida?

[Lee-Lee]

31. Would a boycott really affect turnout? n/t

[hack89]

40. True - poutrage boycotts don't affect anything. nt

[Chan790]

43. That ball is in FL's court. We don't need Florida in 2016. Other ???s nt

[hack89]

49. 29 electorial votes are nothing to sneeze at.

I kind of like the idea of a Democrat in the WH.

[Chan790]

53. I kind of think it's not worth it if we have to kowtow and curtsie to racists and gun-nuts. n/t

[hack89]

54. Obama won Florida. Are the people that voted for him racists and gun-nuts?

or are we simply to abandon them so we can feel morally superior?

[Chan790]

61. Um, unless you're Jay Z, Stevie Wonder or Bruce Springsteen...

we're not the ones boycotting Florida because I know sure as shit I'm not Jay Z. It's a musician's boycott.

Of course you probably opposed boycotting Sun City too. Predictable, white folks can always justify why their racism and opposition to anti-racist political-action isn't about racism.

It's still a ball in Florida's court...if they want the tourism and concert revenue back all they have to do is shitcan their SYG law. If they can't get around to that in the next 2 years, clearly it's not all that important to them.

And...yes...presumably anybody willing to change their vote from Democratic to Republican over a boycott against SYG is probably a racist or a gun nut. Sorry, non-racists and non-gun-nuts support political action to advance progressive ideals and combat racism and unrestrained RKBA.

[hack89]

63. So only musicans need boycott? Good

considering I flying down to Orlando next week to visit friend and take my family to Disney. That's a load off my mind.

[OriginalGeek]

75. Yeah I'm feeling the love in this thread

And here I was all proud of myself and shit for standing in long lines to vote for Obama and Grayson and others.

[treestar]

74. This is true

Gives the other states some pause.

[Skittles]

29. gotta start somewhere

[1monster]

44. So many here on DU are always boycotting Florida... along with the Christian Right

and other such groups.

[Skittles]

47. if it takes loss of tourist $ for states to see how their laws favor gun humping cowards

THEN SO BE IT

[hack89]

50. One group or another has been boycotting Florida for the past 20 years

with absolutely no impact - why do you think this will be any different?

[1monster]

51. You've got to be joking! The more those for sane gun laws boycott, the more insane

gun humpers gain control.

In this case, boycotting is simply retreating leaving the way open for the opponents to occupy. God forbid the boycotters actually put up a fight for the good of us all.

BTW, which state do you live in? One of the TWENTY out of fifty that does not have a SYG law?

[Skittles]

58. you've got to be joking!!

I live in gun humping Texas - but like I said, they need to start SOMEWHERE

[hack89]

86. Why can't we start in Texas - gun humpers and women haters.

You've got a bigger problem than Florida.

[1monster]

88. Why not Texas then? Seems to me, Texas is no better (and probably even worse) than Florida.

God knows, bad as the Florida Legislature can be, THEY'VE never confiscated feminine hygene products from women wishig to attend a session.

Those who throw stones better not live in glass houses.

[PDJane]

30. I've been boycotting the US since my last visit to Texas.

[darkangel218]

32. Boycotting FL wont change anything.

The tourism industry is not going to suffer.

You would just miss out on the sun and fun.

But to each their own. ..

[JaneyVee]

38. I've been boycotting Florida since the 2000 election.

[question everything]

39. Boycotting? The NAACP had its convention in Orlando

the day the verdict was read. I thought it was strange.

[The Straight Story]

42. I am too poor to even try to boycott anything or anyone

[LWolf]

45. Writing off.

I live in Oregon. I'm not boycotting my state. We do some things quite well.

[cherokeeprogressive]

46. If you're talking about the "celebs" who are boycotting, I'm thinking a hearty NO.

You're talking about a major hit in the pocketbook, especially for the rappers. Take MI, IL, IN, NC, SC, GA Al, MS, LA, and the rest out of their bank accounts and how are they going to make their mortgages? Pay for their Bentleys?

As for the others? Stewart, Madonna, The Stones, and Stevie Wonder have a collective age of about a thousand years or so. They've made their money and spent it and that's the only reason they're still plugging away but they're only in the game for a few more years anyway... before the lot of them start assuming room temperature.

I find it a strange mindset: I don't like this Stand Your Ground thingy everyone's been talking about, so I'll punish my creditors and my fans. What's more; I doubt any of the above could talk about Stand Your Ground for more than a minute before they run out of things to say.

[Mojo Electro]

48. My favorite part of this thread

is the word "racist" being thrown out, probably about a dozen times, with zero justification.

[CK_John]

52. Again putting the improbable in the way of the possible.

[Katashi_itto]

55. Jesse Jackson suggests boycotting Florida as 'apartheid state'

Jackson says his Rainbow PUSH Coalition will consider pressuring groups to isolate Florida after the Zimmerman trial.
Rev. Jesse Jackson said Thursday that his Rainbow PUSH Coalition would consider boycotting Florida as "a kind of apartheid state" in the aftermath of the George Zimmerman not-guilty verdict last weekend.
"No doubt, the inclination is to boycott Florida, to stop conventions, to isolate Florida as a kind of apartheid state given this whole 'stand your ground' law,” Jackson told CNN. “Homicides against blacks have tripled since this law has been in existence."


Read more: http://thehill.com/video/in-the-news/312241-jesse-jackson-suggests-boycotting-florida-as-apartheid-state#ixzz2ZpNT7Ib3
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http://thehill.com/video/in-the-news/312241-jesse-jackson-suggests-boycotting-florida-as-apartheid-state

[Nye Bevan]

60. So I guess South Africa under "apartheid" was similar to Florida today.

Is that the message Jesse Jackson is trying to convey?

[Katashi_itto]

76. And your point?

[99Forever]

56. Did someone appoint you as...

... Proper Boycott Etiquette Cop?

You no like?

Oh fucking well.

[Katashi_itto]

57. Pasadena assemblyman urges Florida boycott over 'stand-your-ground' law

No more strolling on South Beach, no more key lime pie in Key West, no more visiting Mickey at Walt Disney World.

After the not-guilty verdict in the shooting of Trayvon Martin, a California lawmaker called Wednesday for a statewide boycott of Florida.

Assemblyman Chris Holden, D-Pasadena, is drawing up a resolution on behalf of the California Legislative Black Caucus to urge residents of the Golden State to boycott the Sunshine State until the latter repeals its "stand-your-ground" law.

"Another young black child is dead and nobody is being held accountable, said Holden, who is black and has four teenage sons. "It is a true nightmare scenario for every black parent in America.

"By boycotting Florida tourism, conventions and conferences we send a clear message that the death of an unarmed black teenager cannot be tolerated."



Read more: http://www.pasadenastarnews.com/news/ci_23682089/pasadena-assemblyman-urges-florida-boycott-over-stand-your#ixzz2ZpO6O8sR

[HooptieWagon]

83. Rodney King, OJ....

The trigger-happy cops that shot up a surfer dude's car and a couple of elderly asian women delivering newspapers.... maybe California should worry more about itself.
I don't think punishing Stevie Wonder fans is going to have any effect on SYG laws...but what do I know?

[Katashi_itto]

90. Good point. What do you know?

Personally I will go with the boycott.

[Skip Intro]

59. Not boycotting anything. Btw, "we" don't all hate the South. n/t

[vaberella]

66. I'm not boycotting, "Stand Your Ground." I'm boycotting Florida...that is one shit state! n/t

[Skwmom]

71. I think it might be a good idea to focus on Florida first.

IMHO the boycott should include:

1. No vacationing in Florida.
2. Trying to get companies not to hold conferences in Florida.
3. Not buying Florida products.
4. Trying to get as many musicians as possible to boycott the state.
5. Trying to get sought after college athletic recruits to say thanks but no thanks.
6. Encouraging Floridians who want to join the boycott to shop online instead of at their local stores. This will decrease Florida's sale tax revenue.

A website that listed Florida products and companies with planned conferences would be helpful.

By focusing on Florida and making it fold, other states may follow suit because they don't want to be the next state targeted.

[mick063]

72. Florida set the precedent

They can set the precedent again.

Hunting season has not started in my state yet.

[treestar]

73. First, are those laws the same?

And how is the burden of proof? And what do juries do in those states? Do black people ever get to defend with SYG, for example?

[RedCappedBandit]

77. I have no intention of visiting the majority of those states, ever. nt

[davidpdx]

82. The Oregon law goes back as far as the 70s

Here is what I found:

ORS

http://www.leg.state.or.us/ors/161.html

Article that discusses the Oregon law and a house break-in:

http://www.bendsource.com/bend/stand-down-or-stand-your-ground-critics-say-self-defense-laws-like-oregons-and-floridas-go-too-far/Content?oid=2178196

Attorney's website which discusses the law specifically including conflicting Oregon Supreme Court rulings:

http://www.pdxcriminallawyers.com/articles-by-castleberry-elison/oregons-stand-your-ground-statute/

[PDJane]

95. ALEC has been around since then. Since 1975, to be precise.

[HiPointDem]

84. Florida was the first state to have SYG. It can also be the first state to be boycotted.

[Scuba]

91. It sends a strong message to all 50 states.

But then you knew that.

[pipi_k]

93. The only message I get

is that states will feel their SYG laws are fine and dandy until someone gets murdered.

But by then, it's too late for someone whose life might not have been taken if all the states where SYG exists had been boycotted at the same time.

[hack89]

94. What message does it send when it fails?

like every other Florida boycott in the past 20 years?

[pipi_k]

92. As I wrote in

another thread...

selective boycotting.

Whether it's just boycotting one thing (orange juice) or just boycotting one state (Florida).

I have a serious problem with the idea that not boycotting Florida is "ignoring where gross injustice occurs".

So, Florida, for the moment, gets to be the Ogre du jour. Because gross injustice happened there.

What about states where gross injustice hasn't yet occurred, but where the SYG law is still on the books?

Doesn't it make sense to boycott them as well? I mean, if this is REALLY about SYG laws. Is it better to boycott states that have SYG in order to prevent another Zimmerman/Martin incident from ever happening?

Or, what...do we wait till till some other person dies because of SYG?

If people are going to boycott based on doing away with SYG, then they need to boycott ALL places with SYG. If it works, then they've prevented another tragic incident like we witnessed this past year.

If they want to be selective...well...I guess it's up to them, but I don't know if I'd feel all that great knowing my actions could have prevented yet another senseless death.