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G_j

(40,367 posts)
Wed Jul 24, 2013, 11:48 AM Jul 2013

The Whole System Stinks, By Elizabeth Warren

http://m.elizabethwarren.com/blog/the-whole-system-stinks

The whole system stinks
July 23, 2013 | By Elizabeth Warren

I’ve spent years fighting back against credit card companies that put out zero-interest teaser rate cards, planning to jack up the price later and make all their profits in the fine print.

I also fought back against teaser rate mortgages that promised low payments in the first few years, but then shot up to rates that pushed millions of families into foreclosure.

So it’s shocking to me that the United States Senate would offer its own teaser rate for our student loan system -- a system that is scheduled to make more than $184 billion in profits over the next ten years. That's not the business the United States government should be in.

Speak out right now to make sure the Senate doesn't pass a deal that would let federal student loans go even higher than their current 6.8% rate.

We had a majority in the Senate to keep student interest rates low, but because of Republican filibusters, the interest rate on federally subsidized student loans jumped from 3.4% to 6.8% on July 1st. Instead of restoring that 3.4% rate, a new so-called "compromise" plan on the table raises the interest rate on those loans this year to 3.86% for undergraduate students, and 5.41% for graduate students in 2013.

And then it gets worse. The plan is set up to collect higher interest rates in future years. After just 24 months, the rate jumps above 6.8% for graduate students. Within a few years, rates for all loans will be higher than if Congress does nothing -- and some could climb as high as 10.5%. Even worse, with the federal government already making billions in profits off these programs, the "compromise" plan is set up to actually increase those profits by hundreds of millions of dollars more.

I can't support a proposal that squeezes even more profits out of our kids, while millionaires and billionaires still don't pay their fair share. This is a bad deal.

Senator Jack Reed has offered an amendment that is a true compromise: let rates move with the market, but set a cap on student loan interest rates at their current rates. I am proud to cosponsor that amendment. It's the only way to ensure that students don't end up paying more than they would if Congress does nothing.

The Senate will vote on the compromise bill as early as today. Please speak out now and demand support for Senator Reed's student loan amendment.

In the end, this is a simple math problem.

If Republicans insist that we continue to make the same $184 billion in profit off of the student loan program, that just means that students in future years will have to pay higher rates to make up the difference.

I don't believe in pitting our kids against each other. In fact, I think this whole system stinks.

We should not go along with any plan that demands that our students continue to produce huge profits for our government. Making billions and billions in profits off the backs of students is obscene.

Senator Jack Reed's amendment is the only plan on the table right now that guarantees student loan interest rates won't skyrocket above their current levels. We need to pass this amendment for our kids and grandkids.

Sign up now to support Senator Reed's amendment.

http://m.jackreed2014.com/act/do-no-harm?sc=warren

I appreciate the hard work that my colleagues have done to try to defeat the Republican filibuster so that we can keep student loan rates low.

But our students are drowning under a trillion dollars in student loan debt. We need to start now with one basic principle: cut government profits on student loans. I can't support a deal that actually increases those profits.


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The Whole System Stinks, By Elizabeth Warren (Original Post) G_j Jul 2013 OP
K&R Cleita Jul 2013 #1
K and R (nt) bigwillq Jul 2013 #2
So interest will only rise to 6.8 percent? abelenkpe Jul 2013 #3
Only. Wednesdays Jul 2013 #14
The only way this kind of abuse is going to stop is for the American People fasttense Jul 2013 #58
i read in the republican version, 10.5%, with early low 'teaser' rates. i agree, it used to be HiPointDem Jul 2013 #33
k&r Puzzledtraveller Jul 2013 #4
Yep, "the whole system stinks" - and this is the tip of the iceberg... polichick Jul 2013 #5
How true Awknid Jul 2013 #48
Our next President. nt bemildred Jul 2013 #6
Your lips to God's ears Demeter Jul 2013 #7
If only the people decided these things... polichick Jul 2013 #9
Definitely. Fearless Jul 2013 #34
She will tear them to shreds. It's will be fun. nt bemildred Jul 2013 #36
Kick Scuba Jul 2013 #8
Auto K & R Le Taz Hot Jul 2013 #10
I wish there were more Elizabeth Warrens... whttevrr Jul 2013 #11
Rush Holt, an Elizabeth Warren Democrat, is opposing Third Way corporatist Cory Booker Zorra Jul 2013 #13
Wish there was a way to Kick and Rec your comment, also. Myrina Jul 2013 #16
Thank you for spreading the word about Rush Holt.. mountain grammy Jul 2013 #31
Sen. Holt...has a nice ring to it! BornLooser Jul 2013 #38
K&R bahrbearian Jul 2013 #12
K n R Myrina Jul 2013 #15
Am I right that she is saying these high rates are here to stay or go higher? She is conceeding Dustlawyer Jul 2013 #17
Yes. djean111 Jul 2013 #51
Elizabeth Warren...... Little Star Jul 2013 #18
Back when I went to school . . . aggiesal Jul 2013 #19
knr Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #20
This whole thing DOES stink. bvar22 Jul 2013 #21
I could not agree more. I had not seen your post when I posted, Mass Jul 2013 #25
+1000 JDPriestly Jul 2013 #40
Indeed nil desperandum Jul 2013 #52
Instead of charging interest on student loans, the government should be subsidizing the students. RC Jul 2013 #22
Thank you. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #23
Low interest rates are a minimum. Why not lowering college tuition by Mass Jul 2013 #24
Maybe if we invested less in internet and phone surveillance we could afford to invest more in JDPriestly Jul 2013 #42
I'm glad she's in the Senate deutsey Jul 2013 #26
My grad school tuition, 1970: $200/semester, all the hrs you could stand... Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #27
F- Hillary. Elizabeth Warren for president Phillyindy Jul 2013 #28
^^^THIS^^^ nt NorthCarolina Jul 2013 #43
If Elizabeth were President, she could VETO bills like this. PADemD Jul 2013 #29
+1000. And, she'd use the 'bully pulpit' to maximum effect. reformist2 Jul 2013 #32
With this Congress, Warren would probably get less done than Obama has. bigwillq Jul 2013 #54
Agree, but . . . hueymahl Jul 2013 #30
HUGE K & R !!! WillyT Jul 2013 #35
Our government shouldnt be making money off student loans. nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #37
Dbl. kick and rec. for the Honorable Senator Elizabeth Warren BornLooser Jul 2013 #39
K&R forestpath Jul 2013 #41
Dis-heartening. blackspade Jul 2013 #44
Hopefully there will be some legislation following these lectures. blkmusclmachine Jul 2013 #45
K&R emsimon33 Jul 2013 #46
kick woo me with science Jul 2013 #47
Proposal Back to Basics/Keep It Simple CdnExtraNational Jul 2013 #49
agreed G_j Jul 2013 #50
Kick and Rec. n/t Smarmie Doofus Jul 2013 #53
Just a fiery speech; it's actions that count frazzled Jul 2013 #55
Geee snort Jul 2013 #56
Ask anybody (who's not profiting from the scams)... Octafish Jul 2013 #57
K & R ctsnowman Jul 2013 #59

abelenkpe

(9,933 posts)
3. So interest will only rise to 6.8 percent?
Wed Jul 24, 2013, 12:07 PM
Jul 2013

Students and families don't need 'affordable' loans. They need affordable education. I wish something would be done to make higher education affordable so that students were not required to go into debt in order to get an education.

 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
58. The only way this kind of abuse is going to stop is for the American People
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 11:42 AM
Jul 2013

to march on Washington DC, surround the White House and the Capitol building with Pitch forks and Torches. Camp out on the Mall and demand that the Congress represent the PEOPLE and not the corporations and wealthy ALONE.

That would scare the S*# t out of them.

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
33. i read in the republican version, 10.5%, with early low 'teaser' rates. i agree, it used to be
Wed Jul 24, 2013, 03:45 PM
Jul 2013

the case that middle class people were able to finance their kids' educations, and for poorer people there were lots of student & other job opportunities to work your way through.

polichick

(37,152 posts)
5. Yep, "the whole system stinks" - and this is the tip of the iceberg...
Wed Jul 24, 2013, 12:09 PM
Jul 2013

When you consider the power of the corporations and the mic these days, we would need hundreds of Elizabeth Warrens in DC to make the tiniest bit of difference.

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
7. Your lips to God's ears
Wed Jul 24, 2013, 12:13 PM
Jul 2013

Surely in this great nation we could find at least 500 like-minded public servant types to fill the House and Senate....and give Elizabeth some support and solidarity!

polichick

(37,152 posts)
9. If only the people decided these things...
Wed Jul 24, 2013, 12:14 PM
Jul 2013

Our next presidential election will be stolen by the Republicans, who are already busy rigging the voting system.

whttevrr

(2,345 posts)
11. I wish there were more Elizabeth Warrens...
Wed Jul 24, 2013, 12:18 PM
Jul 2013

On the positive side...

I am so glad she is a senator.

Thank You Massachusetts!

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
13. Rush Holt, an Elizabeth Warren Democrat, is opposing Third Way corporatist Cory Booker
Wed Jul 24, 2013, 12:26 PM
Jul 2013

in the New Jersey Democratic primary to be held in mid-August.

Support Rush in his underdog bid to beat "Wall St Booker" in the NJ Dem primary!

Should he win the Aug. 13 primary and, later, the Oct. 16 special election, Holt said that he envisions working with current senators Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts, Sherrod Brown of Ohio and Tammy Baldwin of Wisconsin as a progressive. Holt counts universal healthcare, lowering student interest rates and fighting climate change as traditionally progressive ideals that he plans to support in the Senate. -

See more at: http://www.northjersey.com/news/216516931_Rush_Holt__I_d_be_a__one-of-a-kind__senator.html#sthash.WFeMPY5B.dpuf


Dustlawyer

(10,497 posts)
17. Am I right that she is saying these high rates are here to stay or go higher? She is conceeding
Wed Jul 24, 2013, 12:48 PM
Jul 2013

that they will not go back down to where they were before this recent hike?

aggiesal

(8,922 posts)
19. Back when I went to school . . .
Wed Jul 24, 2013, 01:01 PM
Jul 2013

Last edited Wed Jul 24, 2013, 02:02 PM - Edit history (1)

In the early 1980's the government subsidized approximately 80% of a students education,
using Pell Grants and State funds, and the student/family paid approximately 20%.

Now the student/family pays 80+% while the government subsidizes < 20%

This is our tax breaks at work.

When I graduated, I had $750 student loan.

California once paid for all higher education, until Ronnie Reagan came in
and said "Why should I pay for students education, when they'll just
protest everything I believe in?"

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
21. This whole thing DOES stink.
Wed Jul 24, 2013, 01:51 PM
Jul 2013

When the Democratic Wing has to frame "Victory" as keeping interest rates on Student Loans from going even HIGHER,
then we are really screwed.

This is also Machiavellian.
Want to make people happy with 6.8%?
...just tell them its going much higher,
then step in a Save Them from 15%.

In the 50s, 60s, and 70s,
when Taxes on the RICHEST Americans were between 70% - 90% (set by a Republican),
ANYBODY could attend the State University
and graduate [font size=3]DEBT FREE[/font]
if he/she was willing to work a Part Time job.
Really frugal students could also afford to own and drive a Beater.
This was The NORM, NOT the exception.

We could have that again,
IF we had a Political Party that represented the Working Class.

Higher Education has been turned into Just Another SCAM
to enrich the 1% by the NeoLiberal "Free Market" Con Men disguised as politicians in BOTH Parties.


FDR's State of the Union Address contained a section named "The Economic Bill of Rights".
In this section, FDR specified "EDUCATION" as a Basic Human Right to be protected by our Government of the People,
[font size=3]and NOT as a Commodity to be SOLD to Americans who can afford it by For Profit Corporations!!!![/font]

There was a time, not so long ago, when voting FOR the Democrat,
was voting FOR the above Basic Human Right (Education).
Sadly, this is no longer true.


...how FAR we have fallen.



[font color=firebrick][center]"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans.
I want a party that will STAND UP for Working Americans."
---Paul Wellstone [/font]
[/center] [center] [center] [/font]
[font size=1]photo by bvar22
Shortly before Sen Wellstone was killed[/center]
[/font]




You will know them by their [font size=3]WORKS.[/font]

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
40. +1000
Wed Jul 24, 2013, 06:40 PM
Jul 2013

The children of the rich do not have to worry about paying for college. I'm sure that the Clintons and the Bidens and the Kerrys didn't have to worry about how to pay for their kids' college.

So the children of the rich graduate debt-free and without having had to work during college.

Then when the children of the rich graduate, their parents use their social and professional connections to place their children in good jobs.

That is how our country is creating an aristocracy.

nil desperandum

(654 posts)
52. Indeed
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 08:42 AM
Jul 2013

You are bang on with this, working in a small business my entire life I discuss tax plans with my "free trade/fair tax" colleagues....I like when they tell me if everyone just paid 10% it would be "fair". I ask how so? Then I ask if they really believe that, when they say they do I pose a simple question.

When you are a 30% partner in a business when it's time to make a major capital investment with your partner do you both pony up 50%? Well of course they answer no because they only get 30% out.

That's when I explain taxes should work the same way, if you own 80% of the available wealth you are responsible for 80% of the burden to receive that wealth. I like to point out that these very same republicans always make comments about running government like a business but apparently not when it comes to taxes, that's when they like an approach that favors those with means instead of those without....selfish pr1cks....

 

RC

(25,592 posts)
22. Instead of charging interest on student loans, the government should be subsidizing the students.
Wed Jul 24, 2013, 01:56 PM
Jul 2013
education. Other countries do it. But then other countries are civilized and do not treat their own citizens as the enemy.

Mass

(27,315 posts)
24. Low interest rates are a minimum. Why not lowering college tuition by
Wed Jul 24, 2013, 02:24 PM
Jul 2013

getting the government to invest more in at least public education.

My son graduated from college with $20,000 in debt (UMass system). He went to France for a grad degree: 500 euros a year, including health insurance.

So, if progressives want to do something, they should stop asking for stop gap measures and start pushing for a decent policy for higher education.

Note: I still have a son in college. While I think the deal announced is ridiculous, it is still better than the status quo. Get the best deal possible for the short term and move on to proposing significant reforms.

ADDED
Happy to see Obama talk about the obvious in his speech today: the soaring costs of higher education. Too bad that my senior senator misses the point. This is about more than interest rates. The whole system stinks.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
42. Maybe if we invested less in internet and phone surveillance we could afford to invest more in
Wed Jul 24, 2013, 07:03 PM
Jul 2013

education at all levels.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
27. My grad school tuition, 1970: $200/semester, all the hrs you could stand...
Wed Jul 24, 2013, 02:37 PM
Jul 2013

...for out of state (in-state was $100).

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
54. With this Congress, Warren would probably get less done than Obama has.
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 08:47 AM
Jul 2013

But I think Warren is a good voice for progressives. I hope she decides to run for higher office.

hueymahl

(2,507 posts)
30. Agree, but . . .
Wed Jul 24, 2013, 03:12 PM
Jul 2013

The whole student loan system is completely screwed up. What is wrong with it is worthy of its own OP, and maybe I'll find time next week to share my self-perceived wisdom on the matter

The short version is that the rules around student loans and education financing in general have created some of the mothers of all unintended consequences - runaway tuition increases. By letting students take out almost unlimited amounts of loans, and keeping the rates artificially low AND making it near impossible for those students to get out from under that debt through bankruptcy, you have opened up the floodgates of money to higher education. There is little incentive for schools to control tuition since demand is inelastic; meanwhile, the students are getting royally screwed because most of them have poor judgement when it comes to finances and all of them think that they are going to be great successes (as they should).

I'm all for fully funding education at all levels, but the way we have done it stinks to high heaven.

BornLooser

(106 posts)
39. Dbl. kick and rec. for the Honorable Senator Elizabeth Warren
Wed Jul 24, 2013, 06:38 PM
Jul 2013

She has, and brings, the goods. Others pale...

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
44. Dis-heartening.
Wed Jul 24, 2013, 10:45 PM
Jul 2013

Not only does the 6.8% rate stink, but the 'compromise' proposed sets up a two tiered system of debt which seems to be designed to keep poor and middle class kids from seeking advanced degrees.

 

CdnExtraNational

(105 posts)
49. Proposal Back to Basics/Keep It Simple
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 08:12 AM
Jul 2013

Can't believe how much divide and conquer I see going on in these discussion groups.... but...

I also see many rallying for Elizabeth Warren .... to put the 99% back in the driver's seat.

Some have said that they wish that the congress and the senate were full of more Elizabeth Warrens, but short of cloning,
wouldn't it make sense to rally around Elizabeth Warren in a big way... making her a leader of a grass roots movement.

A movement to elect a congress and senate of representatives of the 99% in 2014.

Then maybe she'd be a candidate for president in 2016.

Just my idea.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
55. Just a fiery speech; it's actions that count
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 10:23 AM
Jul 2013

Sorry I have to say this, because I agree with Elizabeth Warren and supported the amendment fully. My header is a response to all the many "it's just words, and it doesn't matter if there's no action to back it up" comments, posted in regard to Obama's strong and emphatic speech on the economy yesterday.

Well, there was no result here, so I don't know why we're lauding this "speech" as commendable. The amendment failed. Either speeches are a good thing or they are not. We can't pick and choose.

snort

(2,334 posts)
56. Geee
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 10:53 AM
Jul 2013

We shouldn't go with any plans that require students to pay for college, period. Higher education in this country ought to be free.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
57. Ask anybody (who's not profiting from the scams)...
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 11:36 AM
Jul 2013

...from any walk of life, political party, of any status, color, creed or occupation, from anywhere in the country, and they'll tell you she's absolutely correct.

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