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The Obama administration made common cause with the House Republican leadership to try to block it. (Original Post) Luminous Animal Jul 2013 OP
wow - some weird coalitions Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #1
nsa is a unifier RobertEarl Jul 2013 #5
We can get restrictions on the program, just not by this grandstanding struggle4progress Jul 2013 #2
Exactly. This wouldn't have passed the senate anyway Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #3
I doubt if it would have passed the House either: showboating legislation like this, that fails struggle4progress Jul 2013 #11
Yeah, that's exactly what happened if you watch the CSPAN replay. joshcryer Jul 2013 #12
Your post #9 actually makes that point better than my speculations struggle4progress Jul 2013 #15
When Obama makes common cause with R's to defeat a bill delrem Jul 2013 #14
IMO Obama simply asked Congress to take appropriately deliberative and informed action, struggle4progress Jul 2013 #16
just like they did with USAPATRIOT frylock Jul 2013 #19
Boy ya know this country is really going down the shitter. limpyhobbler Jul 2013 #4
But remember.... YoungDemCA Jul 2013 #6
In The House - the Amash amendment failed, but the Pompeo amendment passed. n/t Tx4obama Jul 2013 #7
Pompeo just says NSA can't target US citizens. joshcryer Jul 2013 #10
And, the good doggies did what their masters told them to do. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #8
21 out of 23 House Intelligence members voted against it. joshcryer Jul 2013 #9
Wait. I am getting my good cops and bad cops woo me with science Jul 2013 #13
Political grandstanding railsback Jul 2013 #17
The choice between more evil and less evil, is still evil. blkmusclmachine Jul 2013 #18

Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
1. wow - some weird coalitions
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 01:44 AM
Jul 2013
Conservative Republicans leery of what they see as Obama administration abuses of power teamed up with liberal Democrats long opposed to intrusive intelligence programs. The Obama administration made common cause with the House Republican leadership to try to block it.

The amendment to the annual Defense Department spending bill, written by Representatives Justin Amash, a libertarian Republican from Western Michigan, and John Conyers Jr., a veteran liberal Democrat from Detroit, turned Democrat against Democrat and Republican against Republican.

It would have limited N.S.A. phone surveillance to specific targets of law enforcement investigations, not broad dragnets. It was only one of a series of proposals — including restricting funds for Syrian rebels and adding Congressional oversight to foreign aid to Egypt — intended to check President Obama’s foreign and intelligence policies.


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/25/us/politics/house-defeats-effort-to-rein-in-nsa-data-gathering.html?smid=tw-share&_r=1&
 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
5. nsa is a unifier
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 02:04 AM
Jul 2013

Not only is the left concerned, but the right is too.

Heck, just about everyone is perturbed by the idea of privacy being pirated.

Obama had best see the light and get with the people before he is thought of as being a privacy pirate.

struggle4progress

(118,350 posts)
11. I doubt if it would have passed the House either: showboating legislation like this, that fails
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 02:25 AM
Jul 2013

by tiny margins, often reflects a lot of behind-the-scenes talk, where people in safe districts vote no, and people who need to shore-up voter support vote yes, once they're sure the vote will fail

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
12. Yeah, that's exactly what happened if you watch the CSPAN replay.
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 02:28 AM
Jul 2013

The vote tally was back and forth the whole time but it was passing by huge margins initially.

It was a faux tie. Lots of people gained some political capital on that vote just because it's a vote they can add to their list of whatever they want their constituents to believe.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
14. When Obama makes common cause with R's to defeat a bill
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 02:40 AM
Jul 2013

it isn't "grandstanding".
It's identifying himself with his base.

struggle4progress

(118,350 posts)
16. IMO Obama simply asked Congress to take appropriately deliberative and informed action,
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 03:12 AM
Jul 2013

rather than grandstanding

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
9. 21 out of 23 House Intelligence members voted against it.
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 02:15 AM
Jul 2013

There's no alliance here, the writing was on the wall and it was only so close because so many changed their votes after it became clear it wouldn't pass.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_Permanent_Select_Committee_on_Intelligence

Compare here: http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2013/roll412.xml

Only Ed Pastor from AZ and Adam Schiff from CA voted for it.

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