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Segami

(14,923 posts)
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 06:49 PM Aug 2013

Take Note, Democrats. THIS IS HOW YOU DO IT!




KY Gov Praise of Obamacare Leaves McConnell, Rand Dumbfounded........



Lord love Democratic Governor of Kentucky Steve Beshear. Speaking to a crowd of Kentucky voters at a fundraising breakfast, Beshear took the opportunity to praise the American Care Act (also known as Obamacare) to the overwhelming support of the audience and take subtle jabs at those who were opposing Obamacare, which include Senators Mitch McConnell and Rand Paul who were also attending.



Republican Senators Mitch McConnell and Rand Paul, also attending, weren’t expecting the onslaught. Jill Lawrence reported, “It was not what anyone expected—least of all Republican Sens. Mitch McConnell and Rand Paul, who sat stone-faced onstage with Beshear as he unloaded on them without using names.”

Beshear finished with a stab to the heart of GOP’s NoCare, no alternative. “It’s amazing to me how people who are pouring time and money and energy into trying to repeal the Affordable Care Act sure haven’t put that kind of energy into trying to improve the health of Kentuckians,” according to the National Journal.



Ouch. That had to hurt Mitch McConnell especially, who is in a serious fight to retain his seat against challenger Alison Grimes. The National Journal reports that Beshear got very pointed with his criticism:


The governor compared health insurance to "the safety net of crop insurance" and said farmers need both. He said 640,000 Kentuckians—15 percent of the state—don't have health insurance and "trust me, you know many of those 640,000 people. You're friends with them. You're probably related to them. Some may be your sons and daughters. You go to church with them. Shop with them. Help them harvest their fields. Sit in the stands with them as you watch your kids play football or basketball or ride a horse in competition. Heck, you may even be one of them."

Beshear went on to say that "it's no fun" hoping and praying you don't get sick, or choosing whether to pay for food or medicine. He also said Kentucky is at or near the top of the charts on bad-health indicators, including heart disease, diabetes, cancer deaths, and preventable hospitalizations. He said all that affects everything from productivity and school attendance to health costs and the state's image.

"We've ranked that bad for a long, long time," he said. "The Affordable Care Act is our historic opportunity to address this weakness and to change the course of the future of the commonwealth. We're going to make insurance available for the very first time in our history to every single citizen of the commonwealth of Kentucky."




THIS is what I want to see Democrats doing as we near the 2014 mid-terms. Be unapologetic. Put the Democratic agenda in human terms everyone can understand. Push Republicans back on their heels and force them to defend their record.


Take note, Democrats. This is how you do it.




http://crooksandliars.com/nicole-belle/ky-gov-praise-obamacare-leaves-mcconn
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Take Note, Democrats. THIS IS HOW YOU DO IT! (Original Post) Segami Aug 2013 OP
Damn right! CaliforniaPeggy Aug 2013 #1
x 1,000 n/t Duval Aug 2013 #12
And something else they need to do - watch Howard Dean in a TV "debate" with any republi-CON. calimary Aug 2013 #46
Right on! This is the UnCivil War and we need to make the enemy fight for every inch of ground!! LongTomH Aug 2013 #47
It's actually Romneycare tavalon Aug 2013 #50
And if your enemy The Wizard Aug 2013 #60
k&r nt steve2470 Aug 2013 #2
Burn! Thanks Gov Steve Beshear! Cha Aug 2013 #3
Burn.....indeed. yourout Aug 2013 #13
Good, it is time to start putting a hat on the RW lies about ACA, thisvis a start on getting Thinkingabout Aug 2013 #4
Remember Iwillnevergiveup Aug 2013 #5
It's called GOPDon'tCare........ lastlib Aug 2013 #24
The Dipshit Duo Blue Owl Aug 2013 #6
PLUS ONE! nt Enthusiast Aug 2013 #45
Oh, hell no. blackspade Aug 2013 #58
K&R! Phlem Aug 2013 #7
The key to success is going LOCAL!!! arcane1 Aug 2013 #8
hear hear nt Snotcicles Aug 2013 #9
The revolt appears to be gaining traction mick063 Aug 2013 #10
Oh, yeeeaaah! FourScore Aug 2013 #11
In a red state, no less. winter is coming Aug 2013 #14
where's the link to Beshear's speech? I clicked on everything in the article and the link with the CTyankee Aug 2013 #15
I found a part of it here, but it's mostly Rand. Read some of it. Although it wasn't 'a speech.' freshwest Aug 2013 #67
thanks! CTyankee Aug 2013 #70
This message was self-deleted by its author Chemisse Aug 2013 #16
Wait...Beshear is a Dem demwing Aug 2013 #17
KY Gov. Steve Bashear is a Democrat. No Vested Interest Aug 2013 #18
Oops. I made a mistake - self-deleted. Chemisse Aug 2013 #19
"I just want the same health care plan that my congressperson has." Link Speed Aug 2013 #20
Under ACA, we'll have it! lastlib Aug 2013 #25
Does Paul buy his hair... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #21
If he's a republi-CON, probably too cheap. Looks like he slapped a scouring pad. calimary Aug 2013 #23
He really should The Wizard Aug 2013 #61
In otherwords, be Elizabeth, MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #22
True....! They lead the way.. eom KoKo Aug 2013 #52
+1000 Segami Aug 2013 #56
and Don't forget Wendy Davis, a democrat in TX Bryn Aug 2013 #68
And that, my friends, is why the ACA TERRIFIES the GOP dballance Aug 2013 #26
The GOP Cryptoad Aug 2013 #44
Nice quakerboy Aug 2013 #27
Thank you Segami! DevonRex Aug 2013 #28
My Democratic governor ran on promising to enact the ACA fully. It works! freshwest Aug 2013 #29
My Republican Governor did something similar a while back. His name was Romney. merrily Aug 2013 #62
Yes! gtar100 Aug 2013 #30
LOL! applegrove Aug 2013 #31
kudos Pretzel_Warrior Aug 2013 #32
Who knew Kentucky's governor was a Democrat? So strange, yet wonderful SleeplessinSoCal Aug 2013 #33
I think the Governor is in his second term. bluestate10 Aug 2013 #53
He's a DINO blackspade Aug 2013 #59
curious to know in what way he is a Democrat as opposed to being a "DINO" SleeplessinSoCal Aug 2013 #71
Just remind everyone that "ObamaCare" was originally Republican fodder. blkmusclmachine Aug 2013 #34
Maybe call it "BobDoleCare." blkmusclmachine Aug 2013 #35
It was Heritage Foundationcare first. merrily Aug 2013 #63
Yeah, I hate using the man's name, but I usually correct people by saying, tavalon Aug 2013 #49
I'd leave it mimi85 Aug 2013 #55
Sure they can. See Reply 63. You cannot erase history. Well, a little but not that much. merrily Aug 2013 #64
It's a combination Nixoncare and Heritage Foundationcare, the latter merrily Aug 2013 #65
K&R n/t myrna minx Aug 2013 #36
YUP!!! This is to go!!! hue Aug 2013 #37
KABOOM! Beautiful! malaise Aug 2013 #38
+10000 heaven05 Aug 2013 #39
WOW what a kick in the face. Boo Ya!!! BrainMann1 Aug 2013 #40
K&R. I would probably be easier to tell us when Rand ISN'T dumbfounded about something. FSogol Aug 2013 #41
nice !!! unionthug777 Aug 2013 #42
K&R Grateful for Hope Aug 2013 #43
This is only how you do it if you are really an opposition politician tavalon Aug 2013 #48
k&r Little Star Aug 2013 #51
I think I'll come back to this thread a few times and savor it…. KittyWampus Aug 2013 #54
Beshear is correct on this topic, but blackspade Aug 2013 #57
Anyone who wants to praise Obamacare knows how to do it. merrily Aug 2013 #66
K&R gademocrat7 Aug 2013 #69

calimary

(81,321 posts)
46. And something else they need to do - watch Howard Dean in a TV "debate" with any republi-CON.
Sun Aug 25, 2013, 02:54 PM
Aug 2013

For example, just today (Sunday) on CNN's "State of the Union." Fill-in host Dana Bash had Howard Dean and jim demint on. She gave jim demint all kinds of face time to talk about how "Obamacare" (which we should NEVER use because it's the bad guys' meme. The law is called the Affordable Care Act) was this bad and that bad and nobody likes it - ALL LIES.

Rule #1: DO NOT use the enemy's terms for an issue. Use YOUR OWN. Use OURS. Do NOT reinforce their talking points - EVER!!!!!!

Then of course, she shifted topics and asked Howard Dean some stupid useless irrelevant question out of left field about Joe Biden. WTF??? Joe Biden??? And she deftly did that when they were about 30 seconds away from the end of the segment. Cute, 'eh? Well, Howard Dean immediately went back to on-message. He said (paraphrasing) "well, before we talk about that, in the interest of some equal time here, I want to go back to something your other guest said about the Affordable Care Act..." AND HE GOT THE REBUTTAL IN.

Rule #2: DO NOT let yourself be sidetracked by lame questions that attempt to switch topics BEFORE YOU HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO REBUT what the other guy said that, otherwise, will be allowed to stand un-rebutted and un-challenged.

At the end, she thanked them both, and closed out the segment, with jim demint attempting (while purportedly saying some version of "thank you Dana&quot to squeeze in just one more little talking point to reinforce "Obamacare BAAAAAAD," again, all of it flat-out lies. Howard Dean jumped in on top of him and with his own "thank you Dana" he reinforced "that's not true" ON TOP OF jim demint. Just talked over him. Talked straight over him. Result? Not only did jim demint NOT get the last word, but the words he tried to squeeze in at the very end could not be clearly heard because Howard Dean talked over them.

Rule ##: DO NOT EVER EVER EVER EVER let the other guy get the last word. Be rude if you have to. Butt in if you have to. Talk over him/her. Sometimes that succeeds in forcing the opponent to pause because you butted in. GOOD!!! Then YOU finish and YOU take the last precious seconds before they go to commercial! That way YOUR message is the last one that's heard and that's allowed to sink in and stand unchallenged. If they don't concede the moment and they attempt to keep talking to get their point in - YOU KEEP ON TALKING AND DON'T GIVE GROUND!!!! At the very least, your talking over the opponent prevents their message from being clearly heard - because you got in the way and they didn't have a clear shot. That is NOT the time to decide to become Emily Post and be all mannerly and nice. Not with this. That assumes the opponent is nice, too, and we need to completely get away from that bullshit notion. They're NOT nice. Not a bit. Bill Clinton was correct in one of his rants to his insiders - they're EVIL. And what they want to do is EVIL. EVIL - to those who need help the most!!! And they should NOT be deferred to or conceded to or agreed with or reinforced IN ANY WAY.

This is not congenial chit-chat. This is WAR. This is open combat. Verbal, mouth-to-mouth combat. WE have the truth, WE have the facts, WE have the talking points that actually make sense, and reflect what's really going on out there in the real world. WE have the reality on OUR side. We should be smacking the bad guys upside the head with it at every possible moment.


It's not even time to say "please continue, governor." NO. NOT in a situation like that.

LongTomH

(8,636 posts)
47. Right on! This is the UnCivil War and we need to make the enemy fight for every inch of ground!!
Sun Aug 25, 2013, 03:43 PM
Aug 2013

I wish Howard Dean would coach Democratic candidates for the 2014/2016 debates!

tavalon

(27,985 posts)
50. It's actually Romneycare
Sun Aug 25, 2013, 05:12 PM
Aug 2013

but yeah, it's best to call it the Affordable Care Act.

And Howard Dean is in the A number one class.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
4. Good, it is time to start putting a hat on the RW lies about ACA, thisvis a start on getting
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 07:03 PM
Aug 2013

The USA on a level playing field with other nations of our standing. My friend saw a Dr, had xrays, saw an orthopedic and was placed in a cast in France for $36. Her coPay for an orthopedic in the US was $35. Now what is wrong with this story, France with their socialized medicine has cost much lower than we do. BTW, she saw both drs in France in a period of two hours after arriving at first office, it took one and one-weeks to get an appointment with the orthopedic in the US.

Iwillnevergiveup

(9,298 posts)
5. Remember
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 07:12 PM
Aug 2013

the Republican health care plan? "Don't get sick. But if you do, die quickly." Thank YOU, Alan Grayson and Gov. Beshear. You guys are on the right side of history.

K&R

Phlem

(6,323 posts)
7. K&R!
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 07:23 PM
Aug 2013

Shame them in the presence of themselves, ESPECIALLY in front of a large crowd. Hope Mr. O is taking notes.



-p

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
15. where's the link to Beshear's speech? I clicked on everything in the article and the link with the
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 07:53 PM
Aug 2013

post! I wanted to hear what he had to say and see the looks on those two idiots faces...

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
67. I found a part of it here, but it's mostly Rand. Read some of it. Although it wasn't 'a speech.'
Mon Aug 26, 2013, 12:05 PM
Aug 2013
http://www.nationaljournal.com/daily/obamacare-showdown-over-a-ham-breakfast-in-kentucky-20130822

There is a video at the link with Rand making an asinine speech. I hate that lying little weasel!

Response to Segami (Original post)

No Vested Interest

(5,167 posts)
18. KY Gov. Steve Bashear is a Democrat.
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 08:17 PM
Aug 2013

KY has had a majority registered Democrats, though they tend to vote Republican, unless the registrations have changed recently.

KY is just across the Ohio river from me; many KYians work in Ohio, and vice versa. Am glad to know they will be better cared for health-wise. Many years of tobacco farming and using have taken a toll; tobacco farming is giving way to other types of work, and hopefully, the health of KYians will improve.

 

Link Speed

(650 posts)
20. "I just want the same health care plan that my congressperson has."
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 08:39 PM
Aug 2013

Overheard at a bar in Glen Ellen, CA, last night.

I mean, damn, who's paying for that?

lastlib

(23,248 posts)
25. Under ACA, we'll have it!
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 09:35 PM
Aug 2013

A little-known provision of the law is that members and staffers of Congress don't get a better plan than what's offered on the exchanges.

calimary

(81,321 posts)
23. If he's a republi-CON, probably too cheap. Looks like he slapped a scouring pad.
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 08:54 PM
Aug 2013

One of those curly copper ones - used for awhile til the copper darkened.

The Kentucky Pipsqueak and Yertle. What a dismal duo. THIS is what's representing you in the Senate, Kentucky??? Seriously????? And you're okay with this? How 'bout if they stay in power and take away the ACA insurance that will finally be taking full effect by election time? Will THAT make you happy????

The Wizard

(12,545 posts)
61. He really should
Mon Aug 26, 2013, 09:08 AM
Aug 2013

take the eyes out of that thing before putting it on his head.
Kim Jong Paul is a leading candidate for Asshole of the Year, better known as the Republican presidential candidate.

 

dballance

(5,756 posts)
26. And that, my friends, is why the ACA TERRIFIES the GOP
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 09:38 PM
Aug 2013

It, like a lot of progressive legislation (voting rights, civil rights, social security, etc.) is good for every day people. The GOP has NOTHING but hate, greed and empty rhetoric.

quakerboy

(13,920 posts)
27. Nice
Sun Aug 25, 2013, 12:32 AM
Aug 2013

But I gotta ask what kind of fundraising breakfast combines a Democratic governor and a pair of Republican senators?

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,123 posts)
33. Who knew Kentucky's governor was a Democrat? So strange, yet wonderful
Sun Aug 25, 2013, 05:29 AM
Aug 2013

So true that the GOP has no goal other than repeal. Nothing of value for struggling Americans.

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
53. I think the Governor is in his second term.
Sun Aug 25, 2013, 07:55 PM
Aug 2013

One reason why outrageous legislation is not coming out of Kentucky is because at least a couple of the top officials in the state are Democrats. I guess Nader's claim there is no difference is bullshit, as sane people knew all along.

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,123 posts)
71. curious to know in what way he is a Democrat as opposed to being a "DINO"
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 04:26 PM
Aug 2013

What is he doing that they voted for compared to the GOP candidate?

merrily

(45,251 posts)
63. It was Heritage Foundationcare first.
Mon Aug 26, 2013, 11:05 AM
Aug 2013

Before Watergate hit the fan, Nixon proposed a bill with an employer mandate. Kennedy killed it because he did not want a Republican President to get credit for passing health care.

The Heritage Foundation freaked out over an employer mandate and proposed the individual mandate instead.

Next, it became Billarycare. Then it became Romneycare. Now it is Obamacare.

Not four identical proposals, but all based on Heritage Foundationcare and all having the indvidual mandate.

tavalon

(27,985 posts)
49. Yeah, I hate using the man's name, but I usually correct people by saying,
Sun Aug 25, 2013, 05:07 PM
Aug 2013

Romneycare. And then I remind them that it's actually called the Affordable Care Act.

mimi85

(1,805 posts)
55. I'd leave it
Sun Aug 25, 2013, 08:14 PM
Aug 2013

at Obamacare. Hell, he even uses it! Then when it works so well, they can't claim it.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
65. It's a combination Nixoncare and Heritage Foundationcare, the latter
Mon Aug 26, 2013, 11:08 AM
Aug 2013

having come up with the individual mandate.

tavalon

(27,985 posts)
48. This is only how you do it if you are really an opposition politician
Sun Aug 25, 2013, 05:06 PM
Aug 2013

You might have noticed, that despite the letters after their names, most of Congress are sitting happily together snuffling at the same feed trough. With a few exception, they are just fat pigs rummaging through the endless money trough.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
57. Beshear is correct on this topic, but
Mon Aug 26, 2013, 01:31 AM
Aug 2013

he is also one of the most bought corporate Democratic governors we have ever had.
He is so in bed with coal companies and other special interests, that many old school Democrats refer to him as the best republican governor we have ever had.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
66. Anyone who wants to praise Obamacare knows how to do it.
Mon Aug 26, 2013, 11:11 AM
Aug 2013

I did not praise Billarycare or Romneycare, so I have no desire to praise Obamacare.

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