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MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
Mon Sep 2, 2013, 10:46 PM Sep 2013

Who would you most trust to make a decision on Syria?

Of these choices...


9 votes, 4 passes | Time left: Unlimited
Barack Obama
3 (33%)
Hillary Clinton
0 (0%)
Bernie Sanders
6 (67%)
Elizabeth Warren
0 (0%)
McCain and Graham
0 (0%)
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Who would you most trust to make a decision on Syria? (Original Post) MannyGoldstein Sep 2013 OP
LOL Cali_Democrat Sep 2013 #1
Suleiman the Magnificent DURHAM D Sep 2013 #2
If you want Suleiman's advice, Art_from_Ark Sep 2013 #31
Elizabeth Warren has absolutely NO foreign policy background or experience. Tx4obama Sep 2013 #3
So. Look at all the folks with "foreign policy experience" who MannyGoldstein Sep 2013 #18
Other: Carl Levin Barack_America Sep 2013 #4
I fully trust my president. I know he LukeFL Sep 2013 #5
No one in that inside the Beltway bubble, sorry Warpy Sep 2013 #6
Barbara Lee. David__77 Sep 2013 #7
The Dalai Lama Art_from_Ark Sep 2013 #8
Whoever has the common sense to avoid another war. NaturalHigh Sep 2013 #9
+100% -- n/t mazzarro Sep 2013 #35
LOL Arctic Dave Sep 2013 #10
No DC politician... nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #11
Congresswoman Barbara Lee. Voted correctly on Afghanistan, Patriot Act, Iraq. The only one to do so. Dems to Win Sep 2013 #12
Bob Graham HooptieWagon Sep 2013 #13
That is a compelling recommendation -- in fact the only one in this thread Hekate Sep 2013 #37
Your poll should have included "Other (please explain)". scarletwoman Sep 2013 #14
If Warren votes to strike, what will you do Manny? joshcryer Sep 2013 #15
I'll probably agree with her MannyGoldstein Sep 2013 #17
Fascinating. joshcryer Sep 2013 #19
He needs an excuse to crank up his crackdowns? MannyGoldstein Sep 2013 #20
Yes. joshcryer Sep 2013 #26
Elizabeth Warren ProSense Sep 2013 #42
I *tend* to agree MannyGoldstein Sep 2013 #43
I wonder what Senator Ted Kennedy would say....if only. nt snappyturtle Sep 2013 #16
Nobody. Lasher Sep 2013 #21
How bout the freaking AMERICAN PEOPLE!!! 90% AGAINST grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #22
I love them all. But I trust the President even though I disagree with him on this. hrmjustin Sep 2013 #23
You, Manny... SidDithers Sep 2013 #24
Welcome to the dark side MannyGoldstein Sep 2013 #25
Bernie Sanders - Statement on Syria Tx4obama Sep 2013 #27
Elizabeth Warren - Statement on Syria BEFORE the August gassing deaths Tx4obama Sep 2013 #28
Update: The 'newest' Warren comments Tx4obama Sep 2013 #38
Alan Grayson - Comments regarding Syria Tx4obama Sep 2013 #29
Democrats do not normally pit Democrats against each other treestar Sep 2013 #30
I'm a little confused by your comment MannyGoldstein Sep 2013 #32
You aren't confused at all treestar Sep 2013 #39
No, not any more. MannyGoldstein Sep 2013 #44
Daniel Ellsberg who's had experience in exposing the lies of warmongering politicians. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2013 #33
That R&B singer, Gerald Levant n/t RZM Sep 2013 #34
You should combine the entries for Obama and McCain/Graham, since they're teaming up now Alamuti Lotus Sep 2013 #36
Other: The UN. nt LWolf Sep 2013 #40
The day I hear Jimmy Carter, Bernie Sanders or Alan Grayson say... Little Star Sep 2013 #41

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
3. Elizabeth Warren has absolutely NO foreign policy background or experience.
Mon Sep 2, 2013, 10:51 PM
Sep 2013

Warren is great on financial issues - but come on folks let's get serious here.

Full BIO: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_warren

Warren Committee Assignments: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_warren#Committee_assignments

And btw, looking at the committees she is on it looks like she is NOT loading up her resume` for a run in 2016.



 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
18. So. Look at all the folks with "foreign policy experience" who
Mon Sep 2, 2013, 11:25 PM
Sep 2013

voted for the Iraq War.

Do you think that was a good decision on their part? Remember, most Democrats - primarily the lower-profile ones who were less versed in the subtleties of foreign policy - voted against going to war.

LukeFL

(594 posts)
5. I fully trust my president. I know he
Mon Sep 2, 2013, 10:55 PM
Sep 2013

Is not a liar and thinks decisions such as this through. I would also love to hear what senator Al Franken thinks. I have great respect for him as well.

Does anyone know where he stands in this particular issue?

Warpy

(111,518 posts)
6. No one in that inside the Beltway bubble, sorry
Mon Sep 2, 2013, 11:02 PM
Sep 2013

Once they get sucked in, they're so propagandized by the MIC that they no longer know which direction is up.

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
9. Whoever has the common sense to avoid another war.
Mon Sep 2, 2013, 11:05 PM
Sep 2013

Right now, I'm very skeptical of what our president is planning.

 

Dems to Win

(2,161 posts)
12. Congresswoman Barbara Lee. Voted correctly on Afghanistan, Patriot Act, Iraq. The only one to do so.
Mon Sep 2, 2013, 11:11 PM
Sep 2013

Our wisest, most prescient voice in public life.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
13. Bob Graham
Mon Sep 2, 2013, 11:13 PM
Sep 2013

The only Senator to read the entire, unredacted report on Iraq's WMDs...and determined it was total BULLSHIT. He was begging the other Senators to read the full report. Only 2 others did. Those 3 were the only "No" votes on Iraq War.

And BTW, Bob Graham has read all the classified information inre Saudi Arabia and 9/11. He says of we knew the truth, we'd be outraged.

Hekate

(91,125 posts)
37. That is a compelling recommendation -- in fact the only one in this thread
Tue Sep 3, 2013, 02:58 AM
Sep 2013

But under the circs, I'm still clicking on Obama. Good luck to us all -- a bumpy road ahead.

scarletwoman

(31,893 posts)
14. Your poll should have included "Other (please explain)".
Mon Sep 2, 2013, 11:16 PM
Sep 2013

I categorically distrust anyone who's inside the Beltway, period.

If "Other" had been in your poll, I would have voted for that, and put forth John Pilger as my first choice, with Juan Cole or Josh Landis as further possibilities.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
17. I'll probably agree with her
Mon Sep 2, 2013, 11:24 PM
Sep 2013

I'm on record favoring a strike if the UN asessment shows that the Syrian government used chemical weapons. As long as it's a well-considered strike.

joshcryer

(62,287 posts)
19. Fascinating.
Mon Sep 2, 2013, 11:26 PM
Sep 2013

You are one interesting fellow.

(A strike would only be a pretext for Assad to crank up his crackdowns, which is what Israel and the US ultimately want in the end.)

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
20. He needs an excuse to crank up his crackdowns?
Mon Sep 2, 2013, 11:29 PM
Sep 2013

I think he's already doing all he can.

The ban on gas is a good one, and the only thing bullies understand is a 2x4 to the head.

joshcryer

(62,287 posts)
26. Yes.
Mon Sep 2, 2013, 11:38 PM
Sep 2013

Assad as shown restraint so far, as much as it disgusts me to say it. Hell I think in their twisted minds the early morning attack was justified by the idea that the children and elderly wouldn't wake up and would go quietly in their sleep.

I have 100% certainty that if there is a strike Assad will respond with so much force against the rebel and civilian population that it will make the world stand back in shock. And the fucked up part about it is that Obama will then be tasked to deal with the ensuing situation. Russia is fully prepared for this outcome because of the War in Chechnya so they know how to deal with mass casualties from a PR perspective. They'll back Syria no matter what.

And all the blame will be on Obama / the US for doing the strike to begin with.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
42. Elizabeth Warren
Tue Sep 3, 2013, 08:39 AM
Sep 2013

"I'm on record favoring a strike if the UN asessment shows that the Syrian government used chemical weapons."

...already stated that the Assad government is responsible. Do you agree?

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
43. I *tend* to agree
Tue Sep 3, 2013, 09:18 AM
Sep 2013

But I think it's prudent to wait for the UN report. Our own government has a history of intentional and unintentional misinformation, don't you agree? I'd hate to find out that we acted based on the the "least-untruthful" information the White House could share.

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
27. Bernie Sanders - Statement on Syria
Mon Sep 2, 2013, 11:39 PM
Sep 2013

Sanders Statement on Syria

August 31, 2013

WASHINGTON, Aug. 31 – Sen. Bernie Sanders issued the following statement today after President Barack Obama announced that he will ask Congress to authorize military strikes against Syria:

“The use of chemical weapons by the Assad dictatorship is inhumane and a violation of international law. However, at this point in time, I need to hear more from the president as to why he believes it is in the best interests of the United States to intervene in Syria's bloody and complicated civil war. I look forward to the Senate debate that will be taking place in the very near future.”


http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/news/?id=2e6dce9f-dbfe-41ed-ba57-dfbf823f92b8


Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
28. Elizabeth Warren - Statement on Syria BEFORE the August gassing deaths
Mon Sep 2, 2013, 11:40 PM
Sep 2013

July 08, 2012

WARREN: The ongoing killing of civilians in Syria is a terrible tragedy, and Assad has got to go. The unfolding question is how to accomplish those goals. The President is right to try to work with others in the region and in the international community to influence Syria. Because assistance can have complex and unintended consequences, we should not act unless we are confident that we can do more good than harm and that we have a clear plan and achievable goals.

http://www.masslive.com/politics/index.ssf/2012/07/sen_scott_brown_and_elizabeth_13.html


Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
38. Update: The 'newest' Warren comments
Tue Sep 3, 2013, 03:35 AM
Sep 2013

Elizabeth Warren: Obama Request For Congressional Approval On Syria 'Appropriate'

Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) said "it's appropriate" for President Barack Obama to seek approval from Congress before taking military action in Syria.

"It's appropriate that he ask for that," Warren said at the annual Central Massachusetts AFL-CIO Labor Day breakfast, according to the Worcester Telegram & Gazette.

"What the Assad regime did is reprehensible, but we have to consider what's in America's best interest," Warren said.

-snip-

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/02/elizabeth-warren-obama-syria_n_3856706.html


treestar

(82,383 posts)
30. Democrats do not normally pit Democrats against each other
Tue Sep 3, 2013, 12:00 AM
Sep 2013

I am sure they would all do a good job as President. And we know which one is actually President.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
32. I'm a little confused by your comment
Tue Sep 3, 2013, 12:14 AM
Sep 2013

First off, we have primaries aevery once in a while... Un-Democratic?

Second, it's a question, not a "pitting". I'm curious.

Little Star

(17,055 posts)
41. The day I hear Jimmy Carter, Bernie Sanders or Alan Grayson say...
Tue Sep 3, 2013, 08:37 AM
Sep 2013

a war is necessary, then I might listen.

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