Fort hood shooter forcibly shaved in prison

[rl6214]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/t/story/fort-hood-shooter-forcibly-shaved-prison-20149213?ref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ar15.com%2Fforums%2Ft_1_5%2F1528385_Nidal_Hasan_Forcibly_Shaved.html

[Nuclear Unicorn]

1. Alternate headline --

Mass murderer denied ability to continue grotesque charade of religious piety

[sharp_stick]

3. I like this one a lot more n/t

[get the red out]

4. Thank you

[msanthrope]

7. Michael Grant Cahill was a 62 year-old civilian. nt

[NutmegYankee]

21. Still a civilian.

Hell, one could claim the McDonalds on a base is a military target, but the workers are still civilians.

[Arctic Dave]

26. Do you think missiles targeting a base care if it is a McDonalds?

Is a mercenary a military target or is he in the same category as a McDonalds employee? How about someone who works for Raytheon as a missile systems contractor, are they not a military target?

[NutmegYankee]

35. Technically, the terrorist mindset is any US taxpayer is a valid target.

Because your tax money funds the military You are a military target. But you are also a civilian and would be counted as such.

[hrmjustin]

36. Skinner just banned him.

http://www.democraticunderground.com?com=profile&uid=211822&sub=trans

[NutmegYankee]

43. I guess I wasn't the only one outraged over those comments.

Some people are so damn anti-war that they actually enjoy our troops getting murdered. Or even the folks making minimum wage at a base McDonalds. Fucking sick!

[hrmjustin]

44. I liked the poster but he went overboard on this.

[NutmegYankee]

45. Yeah. I was surprised he got banned.

I've sparred with him in the past, but this thread really made my skin crawl. Maybe he just needed a time out. The Syria debate is probably bringing out a lot of irrational emotions.

[hrmjustin]

47. Well you take your chances and he did. I wish him the best.

[progressoid]

82. Yeah,

that was a bit overboard. Hope he can find some peace.

[hrmjustin]

84. Yes I wish him well.

[Blue_In_AK]

98. Arctic Dave is a wonderful person whom I know personally,

along with his wife. He is outspoken and maybe sometimes walks a little too close to the edge, but seeing him banned when others are allowed to stay makes me personally very sad. I only today learned about this.

[hrmjustin]

99. It was sad. I wish him well and would not be surprised to see him again.

[Blue_In_AK]

100. He is a good man.

He and his wife are both very active in Anchorage Democratic politics. I've known them for years. I first met Dave on DU, but then we volunteered together on Diane Benson's US House run in 2008 or maybe when she ran for Lt. Gov. in 2010. In either case, we became personal friends and my husband and I have volunteered for his wife's state House campaigns. I hope there is some forgiveness in this instance if he wants to come back.

[Eleanors38]

60. And to think, he was so-o-o anti-gun. nt

[pintobean]

51. Good for him.

My jaw actually dropped when I read those posts.

[hrmjustin]

53. He had a bad moment. Wish him the best.

[Cali_Democrat]

58. Not sure if it was his only bad moment

Look at his transparency page.

One hidden post which jumped out at me was his implication that he would like to see Obama get the guillotine.

[hrmjustin]

59. He took his chances. I wish him well.

[rl6214]

55. Thank you skinner

[JI7]

68. took long enough, that one should have been banned long time ago

i'm sure it will be back under a different name.

[hrmjustin]

69. He might. I wish him well.

[uppityperson]

71. Huh, didn't expect that, but he was overboard here.

[hrmjustin]

72. I disagreed with him on some things but I liked him. Wish he did not say these things.

[MADem]

79. That was a righteous bust, and long overdue. nt

[hrmjustin]

80. Well he had a very bad moment.

[MADem]

81. He's had quite a few bad moments.

Eleven of them in the last 90 days--and he really earned more than that. His first resort was personal insult.

[hrmjustin]

83. As you said he had a buch of bad moments but I wish him well.

[MADem]

87. You're a good person.

I thought he was personally abusive, viciously so, in fact, to a lot of people, and I don't go for that stuff, so all I can say is I'm not heartbroken at his departure.

[hrmjustin]

88. Thank you for the kind words. Being on MIrt you see a lot of not so nice things.

[LostOne4Ever]

92. He totally deserved it (nt)

[hrmjustin]

93. He had a bad moment and I wish him well.

[LostOne4Ever]

94. I swear

You are the nicest person I met.

I hope you never change my friend

[hrmjustin]

95. Thank you. You are nice yourself. I enjoy reading your posts in the religion room.

[dionysus]

52. sleep well, sweet, sweet prince...

[Bobbie Jo]

57. !

[bettyellen]

46. the WTC was a military target to extremists, WTF. Still civilians.

[NutmegYankee]

48. did you intend to reply to me?

Your point and mine are the same I think.

[bettyellen]

49. yes, just punctuating what you said, with a RL example!

since no one has yet bombed Mc D's.

[NutmegYankee]

50. That's a great example.

Why didn't I think of that?

[bettyellen]

54. you were the wind beneath my post's wings, Nutmeg.

:angel:

[Turborama]

64. I've just got to say that subthreads like this one between you two

Is the sort of stuff that gives DU its heart and soul - which is much needed at times like this.

Thank you!

[bettyellen]

73. Wow, thank you for saying that.

I do get a lot from people here, so it's good to hear I've somehow reciprocated.

[Jenoch]

11. He also murdered innocent soldiers.

[Arctic Dave]

16. Military targets.

Innocent/guilty is irrelevant.

[stevenleser]

18. If you are looking at it that way you can extrapolate that to much of the civilian population.

Civilians maintain the electrical infrastructure that powers military electronics. Those are now acceptable military targets according to you.

The civilians that maintain the roads and bridges on which military vehicles drive? Yep, now they are acceptable military targets according to you. Air Traffic controllers? Anyone in the fossil fuel industry? Anyone working any part of the food producing and distribution chain? Clothing manufacturers and distributors?

Yep, congratulations. You have made everyone into an acceptable military target. Now there are no innocent civilians.

[Arctic Dave]

19. The US thinks so also.

Do you think they just bombed military equipment in the ME?

However, working on a military base and wearing a military uniform pretty much makes you a military target. The people you listed don't do either of those but in a time of war, those people would be targets also.

[stevenleser]

20. Not just the US.

Civilians on a military base don't wear military uniforms. That's against the law.

There are children on a military base and on many bases there are elementary schools with civilian teachers. I guess those are legitimate targets too according to you?

The difference between what is considered an acceptable military target and what the Ft. Hood shooter did is he directly targeted those people. They were not killed because a bomber from afar loosed an ordinance that killed them because of their proximity to an actual military target.

[Arctic Dave]

23. If you work on a military bas then you are a target.

If you have children or a teacher on a military base then you are putting a target on them.

Would it have been better if he used HE as a more indiscriminate means off killing his victims instead of a firearm? Seems everyone he killed was a military member or worked for the military would have been better to go to the general public and shoot up the place?

[stevenleser]

24. I'm confident I have shown how ridiculous your position is, particularly if you later cry about

innocent civilians elsewhere.

[Arctic Dave]

27. Are they working on miltary bases?

Is a contractor who works on missile systems a civilian or a military target.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

42. Most Army dining facilities are staffed by civilians.

Yee-haw?

[MADem]

89. As are the commissaries, exchanges, barber shops, day care centers, clubs, restaurants,

bowling alleys, concession shops, golf courses, gas stations, movie theaters, swimming pools, gyms, thrift shops, Class VI stores, on base schools, etc., etc. Many of the clinics are supplemented by civilians too. There's not much "military" in today's "tail" when one is talking tooth-to-tail ratios.

[Jenoch]

34. Target of whom?

This guy shot people who were members of his OWN military? He also shot civilains. What exactly is your point with this? Is it that you LOATHE the military?

[Jenoch]

33. You seem to have a warped sense of the U.S. military.

The victims of the Ft. Hood shootings were innocent military personnel. They were not in a war zone and the shooter was not a member of a military with whom the U.S. at war.

[Abq_Sarah]

96. Hasan targeted and murdered unarmed soldiers

In an administrative/medical facility.

That's hardly irrelevant

[scooter rider]

32. I have to agree. Hasan should have been treated as an enemy combatant, subject to a summary

execution and not a sham of a military trial. He gave up any "rights" when he chose to side with whoever he thought he was fighting for.

His victims should be treated as casualties of a combat operation with all the awards and financial benefits that go with it.

"Work place incident" my ass. Who the hell came up with that crock of shit?

[11 Bravo]

13. And we have a winner!

[Throd]

37. +72 (virgins)

[Donald Ian Rankin]

38. What makes you think it's a charade?

I guess that, like most (I think?) people who commit atrocities, he's genuinely passionate about his ideology.

[zappaman]

39. one more post and you hit 10,000

Just sayin'

[Nuclear Unicorn]

41. Someone replied to me today and had 6,666 posts

[Nuclear Unicorn]

40. I've no doubt he believes what he believes but I've also no doubt he is outside God's will

And I'll hazard a guess that the Catholics, Protestants, Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, Sikhs, pagans, Wiccans, animists, Shintoists, Taoists, New Agers, Zoastrians, agnostics and maybe even a few atheists would agree with my assessment.

[Aerows]

76. Agnostic

and I totally agree. He's mass-murdering, vile waste of space.

[Aerows]

75. Much better! n/t

[MADem]

78. More accurate, too. nt

[Fawke Em]

85. Constitutionally-correct headline...

SUSPECT Forced to Shave by Prison Officials

(I really hate how many in this country jump to call people murderers BEFORE they've been to trial. He may very well be guilty, but he has NOT been convicted).

[Nuclear Unicorn]

86. Actually, he's been found guilty and sentenced to death n/t

[leftynyc]

2. Tough shit

I'm not going to shed tears for a murderer who wants hair on his face.

[spin]

5. +1000 (n/t)

[brooklynite]

8. Interesting that the beard became important only after he became a murderer.

[Glorfindel]

12. Is it just me, or does he look a lot like George Zimmerman?

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQQOPVOo9fBnzUeTG4P0E9fWk-Su-oE4GuvFhbW0YSZ71DhL9Sh

[leeroysphitz]

30. The Army doesn't allow beards or side burns, only neatly trimmed mustaches.

A prisoner in an Army prison is still in the military and doesn't get his/her dishonorable discharge until the sentence has been completed so he is still required by regulation to shave regardless of religious affiliation.

[TheDebbieDee]

62. Many male soldiers get shaving profiles because of the horrible in-grown hairs

that they get due to shaving............

[JimDandy]

63. Never saw a single bearded soldier the entire time I

was growing up as a military dependent, nor when I was in the military myself. Doesn't mean there couldn't have been one somewhere, but I never saw one.

[Woof_Woof]

65. It's a different era...

The vast majority of garrison shaving profiles go to African American Soldiers.

[JimDandy]

66. That makes sense. I dated several AA guys (female)

and ingrown hairs were quite a problem for a couple of them.

[MADem]

90. Navy used to allow beards--they got rid of them for good in the eighties. nt

[JimDandy]

91. Aah...That was before my time. n/t

[MADem]

97. I knew an old salt who used to say (because they'd threatened to do away with the

beards for some time before they finally lowered the boom), "I'll get rid of my WIFE before I get rid of my BEARD!!!" He said it so much people started telling him to STFU, particularly since his wife was a real nice lady who put up with a lot of loudmouthed crap from the guy.

I ran into the guy several years later in an airport in Japan--didn't recognize him. I figured out why he had the beard, too--poor thing had no chin to speak of!

I couldn't resist, so I asked him if he heard from his wife occasionally, since he'd surely gotten rid of her by now! I had to remind him of his pronouncements about how he'd get rid of her, first...!

Seriously, if she married him with the beard, if she was the superficial type, she would have had something to complain about--he went from "entirely acceptable features" to "Eh...ewww...geeky" with a few swipes of the razor! Also, it was like a real Samson tale, too--all of that blowhardiness and trash talking he was known for just kind of melted away down the drain with those hairs from his chinny-chin-chin....!!!

[tammywammy]

67. The military does give waivers to those that have to have beards due to religion.

See this article about Sikh soldiers: http://www.army.mil/article/36339/

[msanthrope]

9. Good. nt

[Woof_Woof]

10. Would really enjoy this video...

[rl6214]

14. I agree with every post here but this one of the best

[backscatter712]

17. Yep! TTIWWOP (or V)

[MNBrewer]

22. Dip him in Nair.

[cherokeeprogressive]

70. Only up to the shoulders... or down as the case may be. n/t

[zappaman]

25. this is horrible!

can we start a petition or something?

[Niceguy1]

28. good.

Privates have to follow the rules.

[Bay Boy]

29. Shave the privates?

Hmm... you made my mind wander.

[Niceguy1]

31. lol

He is a private now...looses all rank and pay. A nobody among nobodys

[Skittles]

61. you want I should kick your wandering ass, Bay Boy?

I WILL STOP YOU FROM WANDERING; yes INDEED

[Bay Boy]

74. This is getting more interesting...

...all the time.

[JCMach1]

77. He should have thought about that before he joined the military...

he knew the rules...