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Stupefacto

(36 posts)
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 06:56 AM Sep 2013

HuffPo made me believe the UN Chief accused Assad of chemical weapons use

huffington Post Headline: UN Report To Confirm Chemical Weapons Used In Syria Attack As Ban Ki-Moon Accuses Assad Of Crimes Against Humanity

The chemical use confirmation next to the crimes against humanity sentence made me believe the UN found that Assad was responsible for the use of chemical weapons that has led to so much controversy.

Fortunately, I read the rest and yup, the Huffington Post was engaging on "link-bait," which is the practice of posting crappy teasing titles aimed at bringing lots and lots of fools to a website via a big, bold misleading headline.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/13/un-confirms-syria-chemical-weapons_n_3921424.html

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HuffPo made me believe the UN Chief accused Assad of chemical weapons use (Original Post) Stupefacto Sep 2013 OP
They have history of that--not to mention wrong headlines or those that link to articles hlthe2b Sep 2013 #1
As Jon Stew would say... trumad Sep 2013 #2
Want it a bit more formal? Here it is. Igel Sep 2013 #3
The first paragraphs support the headline. What did you find that doesn't? pnwmom Sep 2013 #4
I posted about this example of HuffPo's misleading writing Skip Intro Sep 2013 #5

hlthe2b

(102,247 posts)
1. They have history of that--not to mention wrong headlines or those that link to articles
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 07:42 AM
Sep 2013

that have NOTHING to do with the headline... Ariana ought to be ashamed, but she's too busy raking in the $$$$....

Igel

(35,300 posts)
3. Want it a bit more formal? Here it is.
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 09:32 AM
Sep 2013

When we speak any language we say things relevant to the topic. If we mention something, listeners assume that what we say is relevant. If we violate these norms of behavior (and aren't blitheringly incoherent) in the wrong places it's simply perceived as lying. It's not. It's just a show of ill will and bad faith. "Telling the truth" is also a conversational norm. There are contexts in which lying is not considered all that bad because we pretty much expect lying.

Note that these norms, these "rules", are culture dependent. If you speak Russian or Arabic or Chinese they will be different from English in how they apply and where they apply.

Examples of relevance:

John: What time is it?
Jim: A bit past 6.
John: Yikes, it's date night! The grandparents will be furious!

It's incoherent, but understandable. No great stretch to realize that "John" probably has a date--with wife, with significant other--and will be late. He fears the wrath of the partner. Moreover, there are kids, and the grandparents get the kids on date night. We assume that the speech is coherent, meaning everything's relevant to the topic. The struggle is to figure out how things are relevant. IF you don't know how "date nights" work in committed couples, you're SOL.


John: Do you have 5 folding chairs I could borrow for a party this weekend.
Jim: Sorry. I don't have 5 folding chairs.
John: Okay.
Jim actually has 10 chairs, not 5, so he didn't lie. Jim will miss the subtilty of that point. Factually true but not obeying "relevance" strikes people as lying, but it's just abusing the norms we have for interpreting speech--and the norms people expect for producing speech.

HuffPo put two things together. Readers assume they're relevant to each other. They're not. HuffPo violated the principle of relevance. Did they lie? No. They caused us, manipulated us, to infer a falsehood.

Relevance is one of the first things to go on used car lots, courtrooms, and in politics. When winning is more important than communication and fairness, when winning is confused with fairness, when manipulating people is the goal, speakers go deaf to the norms of regular communication and assume that their listeners are too gullible to catch on. Many are. This should be taught in 9th grade English. It might be taught in college linguistics courses.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
4. The first paragraphs support the headline. What did you find that doesn't?
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 02:39 PM
Sep 2013

"UNITED NATIONS, Sept 13 (Reuters) - A report by U.N. chemical weapons experts will likely confirm that poison gas was used in an Aug. 21 attack on Damascus suburbs that killed hundreds of people, U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon said on Friday.

";I believe that the report will be an overwhelming, overwhelming report that chemical weapons (were) used, even though I cannot publicly say at this time before I receive this report,' Ban said at a U.N. meeting."

Skip Intro

(19,768 posts)
5. I posted about this example of HuffPo's misleading writing
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 02:53 PM
Sep 2013

a couple of days ago. Small example but HuffPo apparently sought to leave the same impression in the minds of readers:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=593516

Clearly, they want their readers to believe that Assad ordered chem weapon use, despite the lack of evidence.
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