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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhy Obama isn't picking up the phone.
From Mark Mardell on the BBC site:
Conservatives loathe Obamacare and will do anything to wreck it.
They say it will hurt people and the economy. They say opinion polls show a majority are against it.
That's why they have linked what should be a simple matter - funding the government - with a plan to gut the bill.
President Obama is scornful. "Think about it, shutting down the government just because you don't like a law that was passed and found constitutional," he told an audience in Maryland.
The Republicans' ideological fervour has convinced many of them that they are right, and even more that they must look over the shoulder at the Tea Party or risk the next election.
There's little doubt a shutdown would harm the US image and do some damage to the real economy.
So as the hours tick by to a shutdown, the Republican leadership is sounding a little desperate, backed in to a corner. And the Democrats are enjoying watching them squirm.
At a news conference the Speaker of the House, John Boehner, seemed to be pleading with the president to give them something, anything in return for passing a bill.
But the Democrats' leader in the Senate, Harry Reid, had a simple reply to reporters' questions about whether he would negotiate about this, that or the other: "No", "no" and "no".
He said he wouldn't negotiate with a gun pointed at the head of the American people - and talked of Republicans "walking over a cliff", taking "the path to oblivion". One of his colleagues said the impasse was the result of "Tea Party temper tantrums".
They were enjoying themselves, in a rather stern, grim way.
If the Republicans do blink, the war in their ranks will intensify. If they don't they could be seen as putting the obsession of their activists before the needs of the country.
It's little wonder the president isn't picking up the phone.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-24289832
yuiyoshida
(41,831 posts)Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,986 posts)Snake Plissken
(4,103 posts)Mr.Bill
(24,292 posts)truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)global1
(25,247 posts)demwing
(16,916 posts)Last edited Mon Sep 30, 2013, 01:40 PM - Edit history (1)
no bargaining with either, which rules out bargaining with anyone in the Tea Party
juajen
(8,515 posts)demwing
(16,916 posts)Hmmm...so where do we get the term "tiny tots"?
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)That's hilarious!
Oh if only I could photoshop.....
Heather MC
(8,084 posts)BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)But that sheepdip in a daiper AND lookin tough with his gun----THAT is perfect!
(Original guy in pic is too cute to be a baggie)
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)That's hilarious!
Oh if only I could photoshop.....
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Something about how Congress functions. ACA was already law by the time he was elected. I know he runs to his little select groups in Townhall meeting and they cheer for him but it was a done deal when he arrived. Now he can go back to these same groups and tell them he is was stupid to say he was going to get this repealed. Eat your crow teddy boy.
Cha
(297,233 posts)which reminds me.. I was just on a rw site by accident and they had an article that I didn't go to but, the leader said..
"Democrats actually refer to Ted Cruz supporters as Teabaggers"! Shocking I know!! rofl lol
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)See if they are real. BTW, I am looking for a home for Texas unwanted puppy Cruz any takers will do.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)In the interest of getting along, I have agreed. So they will always be baggers to me. The latest new brand they're selling, is called The Conservative Party©:
That's Cruz, Lee and another meathead. who say they are going to spearhead a new GOP political wing. But they're still baggers.
We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be.
~ Kurt Vonnegut
Cha
(297,233 posts)had a sexual conotation to it and they were offended. Many of us thought.. "that's too bad".
I missed those 2010 online forums where they "demanded" to be called teabaggers! But, it sure has caught on and will never stop.. baggers that they are.
El stupidio rubio is to cruz' right.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)aka Rubio
freshwest
(53,661 posts)But we can't forget what they have done, are doing, and want to do to millions of people, here and abroad.
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)He can command...fish.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)can coexist peacefully
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)was Diaperman, aka Senator Vitter
Orsino
(37,428 posts)Wonder what the crazy-stoopids will be calling themselves three years from now?
99Forever
(14,524 posts)If Obama and Congressional Dems had done this 4 1/2 years ago, this nation would be in a far better place.
No more capitulating. If Obama folds, he might as well resign, he will be eaten alive by these antisocial assholes.
Old Navy
(84 posts)Nitpick.
Grr.
Wounded Bear
(58,656 posts)the continuing resolution to fund the government in the abscence of a real budget bill.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)calimary
(81,267 posts)Glad you're here! There's a LOT of correcting the record that needs to be done - everywhere you look!!! Just never stops! Good to have the extra help!
whttevrr
(2,345 posts)Thank you!
I finally laughed this hour. A real one too. Not that lame internet lol shit, but a firm toothy laugh.
I appreciate the picked nit.
MNBrewer
(8,462 posts)during the Cold War. Anything that benefits the majority in an economic sense = COMMUNISM.
We are now paying the price for our godly Capitalism.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)They believe in "Capitalism" which to them is packaging dog shit in a pretty package with a designer label and having the right sales pitch from the right spokesman.
Their ideas DON'T WORK.
It's not a case of changing the packaging or the spokesman.
Then to top it off their flip-flopping on core items just to oppose Obama has become a JOKE.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)geardaddy
(24,931 posts)TBF
(32,060 posts)just had to say that is awesome.
BlueStreak
(8,377 posts)The "majority" of people opposed to Obamacare always includes 15-20% who are opposed to this plan because it DOESN'T GO FAR ENOUGH. Take those people out of the mix and you always have less than 45% in favor of repealing Obamacare. And then take away the people who have no idea what any of this means and you have about 15% who are actually opposed to Obamacare and have half an idea what the law actually does.
Finally, poll people on the actual provisions of the law (allowing 25-year-ols to remain on parents' policies, ending pre-existing conditions, getting more low-income people insured so the rest of us don't have to pay inflated prices when the low income can't pay their bills, etc.) and there is almost nobody against it.
This administration has done just about the worst possible job marketing this thing. I sure hope they are ready to go full bore starting October 1.
TBF
(32,060 posts)I hope he sticks to it and calls their bluff. Let them go home and explain to their districts why they had this little temper tantrum.
riqster
(13,986 posts)That is why they are trying again.
TBF
(32,060 posts)I can accept people making mistakes and learning from them. What I cannot understand willingly doing the same crazy thing over and over - and then wondering why it doesn't come out well.
riqster
(13,986 posts)Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)Orsino
(37,428 posts)There's no gain in additional mud-wrestling.
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)get rid of them poste haste if we are going to continue as a first world nation and have a chance at reversing the demise of the middle class.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)and that is serves the Republicans to pretend that it is not the Republicans but some other Party that is batshit crazy. Republicans, all of them. Bat. Shit. Crazy.
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)once again proves that.
avebury
(10,952 posts)mantra "It is not the policy of the US Government to negotiate with terrorists, foreign or domestic."
Let the Republicans incur with wrath of the American people when they shut down the federal government. Democrats should refuse to let them game the system by allowing a few select governmental activities (paying out social security to senior citizens, military pay, keeping the Air Traffic Controlers working, etc.). If they want to tank the Federal Govt. let them tank the whole thing and then live with the consequences.
The Obama White House should be looking at whatever legal avenues are available because what the Republicans are involved in is a domestic terroist activity.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)in the next election. Watch them shoot their selves in foot for our entertainment! LOL
Rex
(65,616 posts)And they blame the baseball and not THEM, that threw the dam ball in the first place. Is it any wonder why the country always goes to hell when Repukes get any kind of power in the system?
And now the Tea Party is almost done gnawing through their restraints.
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)Don't comprehend compromise, just force of will and power.
That said, it wouldn't surprise me to see some meaningful dem thing be negotiated away....