could a government shutdown stop gun sales

[rdking647]

i wonder.. could the nics background check system be halted and if so could a ffl sell a gun a retail????

would be kind of funny if a conservative temper tantrum stopped them from buyin guns

[Barack_America]

1. Why don't you post that rumor on Free Republic....

I'd be curious to see the kind of response it would get.

[Hoyt]

2. That would be interesting. Of course, most of them have plenty of gunz.

[Barack_America]

10. No such thing as enuf gunz.

[rdharma]

3. The NRA says ....... NICS will continue to operate.

"NRA-ILA has received a number of questions on the status of the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) in the case of a government shutdown.

Law enforcement activities are designated as essential services and do not shut down even if the Congress and President fail to agree on funding legislation. The NICS system will continue to operate.

NRA-ILA will keep watch on NICS operations if there is a shutdown to alert our members if there is any impact, such as a slowdown in response times."

[Link Speed]

4. Just the opposite

Gun sales will be running down the alley.

[Contrary1]

5. They can buy them, but...

"...A shutdown would affect the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. Translation: That gun permit you wanted processed wouldn't happen anytime soon."

http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/23/politics/government-shutdown-daily-life/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

[Old Navy]

6. And when the shutdown (if it happens) is over - the ATFE needs to deny ALL gun permits until further

notice as long as NRA is still in politics in violation of their 501c3 status.

[ileus]

7. glad I'm not in a buying mood.

actually I met a guy at a football game Saturday with a NIB M&P 9 that I'm really considering buying. I'm going to talk to his son Monday may pick it up since I have holsters and magazines that fit and it's at a pretty good price.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ anyway, looks like it would only result in a three day delay.


“. . .NTN ___ will be delayed while the NICS continues its research. If you do not receive a final response from us, the Brady Law does not prohibit the transfer of the firearm on day/date.”

The NICS Examiner will provide the FFL with the date of the third business day after the firearm check was initiated. Business days do not include the day the check was initiated, Saturdays, Sundays, and any day state offices in the state of purchase are closed. If the FFL has not received from the NICS a final determination after three business days have elapsed since the delay response, it is within the FFL’s discretion whether or not to transfer the firearm (if state law permits the transfer). If the FFL transfers the firearm, the FFL must mark “No resolution was provided within three business days” on line 21d of the ATF Form 4473. It is recommended the FFL record the date provided in the delay response on which the firearm may be lawfully transferred under federal law if a final determination of proceed or denied is not received from the NICS.

[rdharma]

12. That's "Three BUSINESS days"

If the office is closed, it's not counted as a BUSINESS day.

[Duckhunter935]

17. last I heard

the feds do not run state offices.

"any day state offices in the state of purchase are closed."

Does not matter as the FBI NICS will still be up and working during any possible shutdown. This is because the system is not just used for gun sales but for law enforcement officers to run criminal checks. This would fall under vital services.

[Straw Man]

18. Wrong.

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That's "Three BUSINESS days"

If the office is closed, it's not counted as a BUSINESS day.

Nope. A "business day" is any weekday that isn't a public holiday. Translation: You can't stop the clock on a legal obligation just by pulling down the shades.

[Duckhunter935]

8. No

"FBI NICS is considered ESSENTIAL as it is used nation wide for much more than just Brady Law checks, seeing a shutdown of NICS is highly unlikely since it will instantly prevent any law enforcement organization to check criminal records. NICS was not created for or implemented for the Brady Law and it existed long before the Brady Law was ever passed. NICS was adapted to be used by the ATF for FFL's based on the regulatory requirement of the Brady Law.



It's a common misconception that NICS was implemented for background investigations of firearm transactions. It was not, the federal NICS system was adapted to meet the more recent requirements of the Brady Law."

and if I remember correctly after 72 hours and not receiving a decline the sale can continue.

[Egalitarian Thug]

9. No. n/t

[onehandle]

14. No, but a government shutdown will make all white males between 48 and 67 gay marry. nt

[pinboy3niner]

15. There are NO positive effects from a shutdown. Period.

Trying to find ANYTHING good about the GOP's shutdown is a fool's errand.