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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHi. I represent you overseas. I'm part of the Foreign Service. I'm about to be furloughed.
I'm not one of the real diplomats (my wife does that), but I do IT work at the consulate here in Mumbai. We process over 200,000 visa requests annually for Indian citizens hoping to visit the US. Yes, some are H1-B visas, which I know are controversial, but the vast majority aren't. The vast majority are J-1 and J-2 visas, which are the sort of tourist, visitor, and student exchange that we should all be supporting whole-heartedly.
Mumbai alone has a 300,000-strong alumni network of Ivy-league graduates who meet regularly. This is the kind of cultural diplomacy you absolutely cannot buy: we earned it with centuries of building the finest universities on earth.
The United States remains the place everybody wants to go. When I put my card down at the bar, I immediately get a dozen people who want it. If you haven't been to the developing world, you may not understand how unbelievably rich the US is compared to that. That's the comparison I see and hear every day.
I know there is no shortage of stories about how bad a shutdown would be, but I wanted to add the perspective from here. (See here for my humorous take on how my malaria prophylaxis will stop and how I'll use gin & tonic as a replacement. Semi-humorous.)
Roughly half of these 200,000 per year applicants are students of one sort or another. These people represent in my mind the best parts of US immigration policy. The best & brightest of the world continue to come to our shores to study, and enrich our institutions of higher learning. Like I said, that's public diplomacy you can't buy; we had to earn it by building those schools and their reputation.
Unfortunately, at 9:30 am tomorrow (we're 9 and a half hours ahead of Eastern time; I can get into why but it would take too long to explain) that will all stop. Visa applications can still but dropped off, but will not be processed.
Don't get me started on the stupidity here: consulates are self-funding (visa applications pay for all of our cultural programming as well as consular duties). But the House has specifically forbidden even self-funding agencies like consulates.
That's the kind of sociopaths we're up against. A quarter million Indians want to come visit their family or study in the US, and House Republicans would rather make less money than allow them that, all for a political point.
My job is not really the issue. I can take a furlough (hell, my wife and I can do a second honeymoon if it lasts long enough). Obviously we'll miss the money, but we're not who's getting hurt here. The real people getting hurt are the kids from the Mumbai high school who got all their ducks in a row to apply to a US university for the spring, but will show up at an empty consulate, all because Republicans are fucking tyrannical douchebags.
This isn't OK. This isn't cool. This isn't right. We have to stop this.
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)We appreciate you!!!
tblue37
(65,357 posts)Do you know if he would be likely to be furloughed?
Recursion
(56,582 posts)PM me and we can get into his details if you want.
Some FSOs are "essential" and others aren't. If this is his first tour, barring exceptional language skills he's an "entry level officer" and will almost certainly be furloughed, but like I said I can tell you more with more info.
LiberalEsto
(22,845 posts)I am a little more concerned about my fellow American citizens' jobs than I am about kids in Mumbai who can afford to attend the American universities that our own kids cannot afford to attend.
Sorry, my husband works in IT and puts in 7-day weeks just to hang on to his job to keep from being replaced by cheap foreign labor. Many of his friends and colleagues are unemployed or flipping burgers because their computer IT training (for which many are burdened with huge student loan debts) and resultant salary needs (it's really nice to have a roof over one's head and food on the table as well as pay down those student loans). My husband's brother, also in IT, was unemployed for more than 5 years and would have been homeless, except for relatives who took him in, thanks to the H1B visa holders who get free college degrees and flood into our country by the tens of thousands.
Anything that even briefly slows down the hordes of H1Bs...
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Old Navy
(84 posts)They need to revoke ALL H1B's immediately, deport them all, and start hiring domestically at extremely fair wages. If that happens, I might not want to leave my industry.....
Old Navy
(84 posts)and I'm now in the process of trying to get the project funded.
randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]You should never stop having childhood dreams.[/center][/font][hr]
Recursion
(56,582 posts)After a decade in the Marines, I thought I knew salty language from Gunnery Sergeants: the CG's language made me blush.
JustAnotherGen
(31,823 posts)Getting hurt would be the millions of Americans who will continue to go without being able to buy insurance at rates that are not highway robbery and when they get said insurance - can have the company make good on the service they purchased. (the cheats and thieves health insurance co's were by making money off of not treating people b.s.)
They have to understand this is a hill we - progressives and leftists in America are ready, willing and able to die on.
This is NOT our fault.
The Republicans are doing this because they insist on getting rid of the ACA/Obamacare.
I'm not willing to have one more American die over an untreated ear infection, missed servical cancer, lack of blood pressure medicine, etc. etc.
High School kids or well - a high school kid in America whose parents can't afford to take her to get screened for that odd 'bruising' she's experiencing?
The choice is pretty clear to us.
Autumn
(45,084 posts)But if the ACA is delayed a lot of people are going to be hurt. I have three family members facing furlough, so I know you are stressed. But the alternative of giving those fuckers what they want is worse. Take a honeymoon and relax. Right now, I just cant bring myself to worry about kids who can afford to come to America to go to college or tourists.
JustAnotherGen
(31,823 posts)I'm tweeting this to my Republican congressman and posting on his FB page if you don't mind.
randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]You should never stop having childhood dreams.[/center][/font][hr]
JustAnotherGen
(31,823 posts)(NJ 7th) He's gone completely quiet - especially now that we are asking about the boozing rumors floating around. He's trapped. He and Frelinghuysen (NJ 11th) are trapped in the TEA Leaves today . . .
Recursion
(56,582 posts)What a numbnuts.
JustAnotherGen
(31,823 posts)He beat Linda Stender in 2008 and he's been sitting there since. We can't beat this guy.
He's sort of a Legacy - Forans and Lances go waaaaaaaaaay back in NJ political history. And with the redistricting shenanigans they pulled in 2010 - we lost solid representation to this numnuts. But - he's so afraid of a TEA Party challenger . . . that he goes along with this stupidity.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)Ironic, no? They are still securing systems they no longer guarantee to be functioning.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)right and left, I think leaving the Foreign Service unprotected is hypocritical, and ought to be a point driven home.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)They constantly flag approachers with their machineguns, which is only OK because they aren't loaded.
The Marines remain armed and on duty. Note that Benghazi had no Marines.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)wife safety, and minimal time off.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Quick question. How did the house specifically forbid self-funding agencies from operating? Does that happen by default when the government shuts down, or has congress passed a specific bill making this shutdown even worse than it needs to be?
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Basically it came down from hearings: if you can keep your agency going during a shutdown, why should we fund you? It was mostly that fucker Darrell Issa (who stole my fucking hot dog) who added this unofficial rule in hearing language.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)I will never forgive a man who stole my fucking hot dog, politics aside.
IronLionZion
(45,442 posts)and put it into service to the United States. You should be so lucky.
Think of it this way. Issa needed your hotdog more than you, because he's less fortunate. He wasn't blessed with any human decency at all, so share the bounty OK? Its time for those with excess human decency and compassion to share with those who have none.
cali
(114,904 posts)"compromising"- read giving in to the ridiculous demands of the repuke terrorists.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)A lower baseline of discretionary spending is kind of stock in trade of how these get averted. Undoing major domestic policies is simply not acceptable.
NV Whino
(20,886 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)NV Whino
(20,886 posts)It finally kicked in and shows as a rec.
BlueToTheBone
(3,747 posts)I hope that you are able to weather this without too much pain. I really feel for the soldiers; that is the biggest horror of all. If only they could just put down their weapons, get on the first flight out and let the wars die.
MattSh
(3,714 posts)Still can't get over the local consulate denying my wife a visa. In the seven years since then, neither of us have had any strong desire to visit the US again.
Yeah, so they denied her a visa. When that happened I wrote a strongly worded letter highlighting the 12 ways they broke their own rules when they denied that visa. Got another interview. I was halfway through when it occurred to me that they weren't interviewing her, they were interviewing me. Again, breaking their own rules.
Finally got that damn visa. Arrived at immigration in Newark NJ. The low level clerk manning the position then proceeded to give us a hard time, insisting that he had the power to overrule any decision the consulate in Kiev made. He wanted to see all kinds of documentation that even the consulate never wanted to see. Finally shut him up and got admitted by offering to let him see our wedding photos. ("NO, NO, not needed. Go ahead. Enjoy your stay).
And this "self funding" by having visa applications pay for all consulate operations? Rip-off. Because every local needs to pay $160 just to be considered for a US visa, any American citizen wanting to come here must pay that same $160 fee. Tit for tat. At least an American wanting to come to Ukraine has a 99.9 chance of being granted a visa, so their money actually buys them something. This reciprocal arrangement is in fact a tax on any US citizen who applies to travel overseas. If I want to travel from Ukraine to Russia? It will cost me $160 to do so because I have to get a visa from the Russian embassy and that's what the US embassy charges Russians who want to travel to the USA. Damn, dual citizenship sounds good because it will cost me 70% less to get that visa if I could apply as a Ukraine citizen.
It's generally recognized around here that the US embassy and consulates spend most of their time representing US businesses and their interests, and not the typical US citizen.
But hey, at least the H1-B's still get through.