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Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
Mon Sep 30, 2013, 03:42 PM Sep 2013

"A Quick One-Sentence Reminder of What This Is All About..."

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2013/09/republicans-health-care-fight-rich

By Kevin Drum on Fri. September 27, 2013 10:51 AM PDT

The Republican Party is bending its entire will, staking its very soul, fighting to its last breath, in service of a crusade to....

Make sure that the working poor don't have access to affordable health care.


I just thought I'd mention that in plain language, since it seems to get lost in the fog fairly often. But that's it. That's what's happening. They have been driven mad by the thought that rich people will see their taxes go up slightly in order to help non-rich people get decent access to medical care.

That's a pretty stirring animating principle, no?
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"A Quick One-Sentence Reminder of What This Is All About..." (Original Post) Hissyspit Sep 2013 OP
"People who work hard have health care...those who don't , don't deserve it" young_at_heart Sep 2013 #1
Ask them why they hate Americans. Qutzupalotl Sep 2013 #4
Their argument...."REAL" Americans have health care young_at_heart Sep 2013 #6
So if a person is fired and loses their health insurance, Qutzupalotl Sep 2013 #9
No, they'll say he or she deserved it nxylas Oct 2013 #28
Working class conservatives sulphurdunn Sep 2013 #10
Truer words were never spoken... Ikonoklast Sep 2013 #12
People that parrot talking points sound bites MythosMaster Sep 2013 #11
I'd modify that just slightly.... Bigmack Sep 2013 #14
Really? My son drives forklifts and front end loaders, sometime in the rain - dangerous. Tigress DEM Oct 2013 #24
They want him to FAIL. FAIL...more than ANYTHING else. PearliePoo2 Sep 2013 #2
..especially while a Democrat is in the White House ehrnst Sep 2013 #3
Election nullification The Wizard Sep 2013 #5
Meanwhile, Obama has been heard to say, "Please proceed." Coyotl Sep 2013 #16
No the plutocrats money that finances them and the malaise Oct 2013 #29
health CARE? MisterP Sep 2013 #7
Say it again, can't say it often enough: Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2013 #8
k and r nashville_brook Sep 2013 #13
...and that the black man in the White House is resoundly blamed as a result. Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #15
...pretty much. Oh, there's maybe one other principle involved. Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #17
It takes a portion of power away from employers, in favor of working people. killbotfactory Sep 2013 #18
Here it is... hansberrym Sep 2013 #19
Fealty to the 1% blkmusclmachine Oct 2013 #20
Pretty much Lonr Oct 2013 #23
I disagree... bobclark86 Oct 2013 #21
I know I shouldn't, but dickensknitter Oct 2013 #22
How about just the fleas of 1000 camels to rest in their nether regions and armpits? nt Tigress DEM Oct 2013 #26
Even *IF* the GOP had an alternative plan in mind for healthcare... Beartracks Oct 2013 #25
They have no intention of ever having their "own plan in place" Freddie Oct 2013 #27
They honestly (?) seem to have some kind elitist rich-man blinders on. Beartracks Oct 2013 #31
k&r n/t RainDog Oct 2013 #30
When you are sick Shireling Oct 2013 #32

young_at_heart

(3,767 posts)
1. "People who work hard have health care...those who don't , don't deserve it"
Mon Sep 30, 2013, 03:52 PM
Sep 2013

Just read this on Facebook! Sounds like a sound bite from Fox News!

Qutzupalotl

(14,311 posts)
9. So if a person is fired and loses their health insurance,
Mon Sep 30, 2013, 04:26 PM
Sep 2013

they would say he no longer exists. Talk about denial!

nxylas

(6,440 posts)
28. No, they'll say he or she deserved it
Tue Oct 1, 2013, 04:04 AM
Oct 2013

There's a new talking point doing the rounds that goes something like this:

"If an employer has 10 employees and has to fire one of them due to the recession, who's it going to be, the most productive, or the least productive? See, this recession is just a way of weeding out the unfit, as predicted by Darwin, who I hate for showing that the earth is more than 6000 years old. But he was right about poor people". Or something.

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
10. Working class conservatives
Mon Sep 30, 2013, 04:30 PM
Sep 2013

love to lick their master's boots. They love to use the lash and cry "crucify them" the loudest at the less fortunate.

MythosMaster

(445 posts)
11. People that parrot talking points sound bites
Mon Sep 30, 2013, 04:42 PM
Sep 2013

and fear words they don't understand are fools.

No point in arguing with fools.

 

Bigmack

(8,020 posts)
14. I'd modify that just slightly....
Mon Sep 30, 2013, 10:05 PM
Sep 2013

"People who work hard.... and who have bargained thru their union for health insurance from a reluctant employer... perhaps even went on strike to get that health care... have health care."

Tea Creatures live in a different world.. one in which employers shower their workers with benefits out of the goodness of their hearts and some kind of noblesse oblige.

Health care was fought for... by unions, primarily.

It goes without saying that a modern developed country should provide health care for those who can't afford it.

Medicare for all.

Tigress DEM

(7,887 posts)
24. Really? My son drives forklifts and front end loaders, sometime in the rain - dangerous.
Tue Oct 1, 2013, 02:39 AM
Oct 2013

He's a temp. No benefits.

WalMart just told my BIL after years at the same store working 40 hours steadily except for a few times when they cut everyone back that he's "actually" a part time worker... so they can push him off onto the ACA roles.

WalMart family has something like 40% of the actual wage income for the whole US from 2012 and they can't pay their workers enough to live without needing food stamps and ACA to survive. My sister, his wife is diabetic and just hoping she can get her prescriptions covered under ACA.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
3. ..especially while a Democrat is in the White House
Mon Sep 30, 2013, 04:13 PM
Sep 2013

Newt said as much during the Health Care debate was raging during the Clinton administration.

malaise

(268,998 posts)
29. No the plutocrats money that finances them and the
Tue Oct 1, 2013, 04:08 AM
Oct 2013

Supreme Court judges who allowed this madness with Citizens' United.
Epic fugging fail!

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
8. Say it again, can't say it often enough:
Mon Sep 30, 2013, 04:23 PM
Sep 2013

The Republican Party is bending its entire will, staking its very soul, fighting to its last breath, in service of a crusade to make sure that the working poor don't have access to affordable health care.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
17. ...pretty much. Oh, there's maybe one other principle involved.
Mon Sep 30, 2013, 10:12 PM
Sep 2013

Namely, making sure a popularly elected Democratic President doesn't do something the people like.

killbotfactory

(13,566 posts)
18. It takes a portion of power away from employers, in favor of working people.
Mon Sep 30, 2013, 10:15 PM
Sep 2013

Republican shitbags want working people to have the threat of being without healthcare held over their heads. Basically they want to put people in a position where they are extremely desperate for work because if they don't find it they will die.

It weakens our bargaining power as individuals. They want to weaken an already weakened class of people so they can push wages down even further and make even more money on the backs of working people.

That's what it boils down to.

 

hansberrym

(1,571 posts)
19. Here it is...
Mon Sep 30, 2013, 10:18 PM
Sep 2013



From PPACA:
"The requirement regulates activity that is commercial and economic in nature: economic and financial decisions about how and when health care is paid for, and when health insurance is purchased." H.R. 3590 Subtitle F, sec. 1501 B
 

Lonr

(103 posts)
23. Pretty much
Tue Oct 1, 2013, 02:21 AM
Oct 2013

Divide and conquer, oldest trick in the book. If they can keep us at each other's throats, the true powers behind the puppet show that Washington has become can do whatever they like.

bobclark86

(1,415 posts)
21. I disagree...
Tue Oct 1, 2013, 12:13 AM
Oct 2013

I think it has to do with them wanting to show they have guts. Guts against a socialist Kenyan commie Muslim from a party known for wussies like Al Gore.

Obamacare came from the Heritage Foundation. It's the GOP's own plan. They like the idea of making people buy things from private, for-profit companies. Moar profits and all that.

What they don't like is a Democrat showing guts. Oh, and the whole black man being in charge of them thing. Many (not all, but many) don't like that, either.

dickensknitter

(24 posts)
22. I know I shouldn't, but
Tue Oct 1, 2013, 12:18 AM
Oct 2013

I wish them some sort of disfiguring syphilitic pox that robs them of their breath, falters their steps and sinks them into the low and lonesome sea.

Beartracks

(12,814 posts)
25. Even *IF* the GOP had an alternative plan in mind for healthcare...
Tue Oct 1, 2013, 02:40 AM
Oct 2013

... which they DON'T, by the way.... well, they STILL would prefer that sick and poor people not have access to healthcare in the meantime until such time as they (the GOP) can get their own plan in place.

Which they won't of course, because there isn't one. But you know what I mean.

For them, the whole thing is like, "If America can't have a BoehnerCare health care law, then America can't have ANY health care law!"

Shameless losers.

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Freddie

(9,265 posts)
27. They have no intention of ever having their "own plan in place"
Tue Oct 1, 2013, 03:16 AM
Oct 2013

It was never "repeal and replace", it was "repeal and do nothing."
We've had 20 years of Repugs in the White House since 1980. How many times have they tried to reform our health care "system"? Crickets. The "old way", where your employer has you by the balls and can capriciously decide to end your coverage for any reason, is exactly what they want. Can't afford insurance on your own? Pre-existing condition? oh well, so sad. Feel free to die in the street. That's what they want and nothing else.

Beartracks

(12,814 posts)
31. They honestly (?) seem to have some kind elitist rich-man blinders on.
Tue Oct 1, 2013, 05:05 AM
Oct 2013

It seems they really do believe that that if you're vulnerable during tough economic times, well.... you should have worked harder, planned better, been born with a trust fund, etc.

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Shireling

(234 posts)
32. When you are sick
Tue Oct 1, 2013, 03:16 PM
Oct 2013

and can't get health care, you are easy to kick around.

Some with wealth and power love being bullies.

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