Just a 1 year delay of individual mandate and Congress' exemption?

[Motown_Johnny]

Last edited Mon Sep 30, 2013, 06:07 PM - Edit history (1)

I hate the mandate and care very little about the exemption for Congress and their employees.

If we get a long term budget deal AND a long term raise to the debt limit....... I could get behind that deal.


I don't like the idea of setting the precedent of holding the economy hostage, but if we get a real deal out of it then it might be worth it.



Edit to add.. it seems nobody understands just what this means. Delaying the mandate for one year won't stop people from signing up voluntarily. It is just the $95.00 or 1% of your income (whichever is higher) that we are talking about. Everything else stays in place. It is such a minor concession as to be almost meaningless.

[winter is coming]

1. Nope. It won't be "just a 1 year delay". In a year or less, there will be another "crisis"

used as an excuse to delay again and yet again.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

2. It sets the precedent of holding the economy hostage.

Never negotiate with hostage takers.

[itsrobert]

3. fuck no

Is that the reaction you were hoping for?

[tularetom]

4. If they push the mandate back a year they can make it an issue in the 2014 midterms

All they really want to do is use it to beat the Democrats about the head and shoulders in the congressional elections.

If it goes into effect tomorrow, people will be used to it by this time next year.

[Motown_Johnny]

22. But everyone who signs up without the mandate will prove our point.

The mandate does not go into effect until the first of the year. The market places open tomorrow so you can sign up if you want to.


I'm not sure you understand the point you are arguing. All that would happen is that people would not be forced to sign up. It would not stop people who want to sign up from doing so.


I think we win this argument a year from now and we end up beating them over the head with it.

[tularetom]

32. Nope, the young and healthy will not sign up without a mandate

Don't you get it? The only reason the mandate is in there is to force people who won't make many claims to pay into the pool to more or less subsidize those who are older and sicker.

Without the mandate, the insurance companies will balk and the program will be struggling next year. At that point the president's enemies can point to it as a clusterfuck and hang it on his shoulders.

The mandate has to be there for the ACA to work. I wish it weren't that way but it is. The republicans know that too.

[Cali_Democrat]

5. You've gotta be kidding me. You think Dems should take that deal?

It's nothing more than a ruse by the GOP.

The Dems should give them something.....the middle finger and tell them to take the plan and shove it up their ass.

No deal.

Shut it down.

[Barack_America]

6. No. The ACA is happening as voted on and signed into law. Nt

[Pretzel_Warrior]

7. not just no. FUCK NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! where are people's sense of civic

responsibility? You should not be a freeloader on MY SYSTEM by waiting until tragic accident or chronic illness to get insurance or otherwise be taken care of.


EVERYONE should have to be covered. If we don't like it--THEN SIGN PETITIONS to move to SINGLE PAYER run by THE GOVERNMENT!!

SICK OF THIS "let's negotiate" bullshit.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

35. you sure got a lot of RECs for this OP! bahahhahahha!!

[Nye Bevan]

8. If Obama caves on this you trust Boehner to meekly allow the ACA to become law 1 year from now?

Your naivety is touching.

[DJ13]

9. If you thought the base went nuts when Obama caved and extended Bush tax cuts was bad

You dont want to see how the base (and most rank and file Dems) will react if he caves on any part of Obamacare in the face of Republican extremist threats.

That would be a huge win for Republicans.

[wandy]

10. No! At the very next opportunity republicans will demand more...........

This is not taking hostages, it is more akin to blackmail or the protection racket.
If Dems give in again, the next payment will be larger.
Meeting the whim of republican owners WILL become our form of government.
NO! This must end here!

[LondonReign2]

11. No

[tanyev]

12. Lucy's holding a football for you to kick.

[Bonhomme Richard]

13. You can't be that naive. n/t

[geek tragedy]

14. They'd just take the government/economy hostage next year. Forget it nt

[msanthrope]

15. Hold fast and gird your loins. nt

[spanone]

16. wrong. this is not about delaying anything. it's about destroying the ACA.

[Posteritatis]

17. It sounds like you like the idea of setting the precedent of holding the economy hostage, then. (nt)

[uppityperson]

18. "if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if ". Eom

[Motown_Johnny]

24. True.. but that is the deal they are proposing. I just added in

what we would want in exchange.


Remember, we are two weeks away from the debt ceiling crisis. If this shutdown runs into that then it could get very messy.

[BainsBane]

19. fuck that. NOOOOO

Give them nothing.

[pnwmom]

20. No, it won't work. After a year they'd just demand another year's delay.

And they'd be holding the economy hostage again. They've already admitted that that's their plan.

[Autumn]

21. Nope, not getting behind that.

Fuck their shitty little demands. They can do their job or take a fucking hike.

[Rex]

23. If we cave in now, we lose everything.

This is the ONE thing that cannot be compromised on. The GOP has had EVERY thing they ever wanted! We ALWAYS cave in and give them some kind of compromise. So this ONE TIME they need to put down their drinks and realize WE are allowed to win at least ONE time.

If that is impossible for the GOP, then I believe they have completely lost it over the POTUSs skin color. They have decided to make it THAT personal! Thousands will die, because America voted and they don't like who we picked!

All he is trying to do is enforce a law you guys passed in Congress! For fucks sake!

[Motown_Johnny]

25. long term deals on the budget and deficit ceiling would be wins

[Rex]

28. Which could already be policy, but the GOP doesn't want to work

with this POTUS...have you noticed over the last few years how little they are willing to try and work with this POTUS? SO NOW, we should try and work something out, due to them holding a knife at our throat?

No thanks. Next time they just might flat out kill us.

[StopTheNeoCons]

26. NO, I wish people would stop posting concessions....nt

[LaydeeBug]

27. They're not giving long term raises on limits. only short term. nt

[randome]

29. One of the reasons ACA works is because everyone contributes.

A delay on the individual mandate throws the entire law into disarray and uncertainty.

No giving in to the GOP. Not an inch.
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[kestrel91316]

30. Nope. We don't negotiate with terrorists.

[6000eliot]

31. Who are these people posting this shit?

Are they being paid to do it?

[Faryn Balyncd]

33. It is foolishness to "negotiate" with gangsters.

[upaloopa]

34. The mandate is the source for the funds that go to

those who can't afford the insurance in the exchanges. Look at it this way, you don't like the mandate but you want everyone to have care. Who pays if you don't?

[rustydog]

36. And on the day the Gonad Only Party education spending stops now or they

hold hostage the economy AGAIN. Or decides clean air is so much bullshit like "global warming" and hold the economy hostage unless the weak-kneed Democrat party agrees to end all funding...Are you for that too?

When does one say to the hostage-takers: I'm sorry, you keep discarding out-of-hand what we propose and threaten to destroy the country if we do not kiss your ass.

If we were law enforcement personnel in a hostage situation, this is where the negotiator informs you that if you look down at your chest and the chest of your fellow hostage-takers, you will see the red dot of a lazer sight.

That is where the bullet will strike you when I end this call. We tried, but you are bent on destroying the country. You can have your hostages, we figure they were lost anyway. I hope you truly believe in the God you keep throwing in everyone's face because you are about to meet him. Bye.

[florida08]

38. refresh

[benld74]

39. CONGRESS HAS a HEALTH PLAN!!!

They don't need to get into ACA! Besides, IF they TRULY wish to JOIN ACA, all they need do is DROP their current health plan, and ENROLL into one from their home state. NOTHING is stopping them EXCEPT themselves!!!

Its just another efffin RUSE by the GOP, chock full of lies!