White House: Obama Will Never Negotiate On The Debt Limit Again

[ProSense]

White House: Obama Will Never Negotiate On The Debt Limit Again

White House spokesman Jay Carney said Monday that lifting the debt ceiling will be non-negotiable for as long as Barack Obama is president.

"Whether it's today, or a number of weeks from now, or a number of months from now, or a number of years from now, it will always be Congress's responsibility to raise our debt ceiling so that the United States can pay the bills that Congress has incurred," he told reporters during his daily briefing.


"It will always be, as long as he's president, President Obama's position that that responsibility is not negotiable. That there's not a game of trading for political priorities or agenda items that Republicans have not been able to achieve through legislation or the ballot box."

Carney said the White House supports efforts in the Senate to pass a "clean" debt limit hike.

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http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/white-house-obama-will-never-negotiate-on-the-debt-limit-again

[alcibiades_mystery]

1. Good job

[hatrack]

2. As it should be nt

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[calimary]

36. THIS - from a former republi-CON, a near-perfect analysis in a single paragraph:

"These people are basically neo-Confederate insurrectionists. They are in substantive rebellion against the orderly government of the country. And one of the things I noticed — and it’s something that’s very common in human beings — we all try to mollify or appease the crazy uncle at Thanksgiving dinner. You know, “Don’t make a scene.” Well, I noticed in the last few years of my service on the Hill that a number of Democrats seemed to be afraid of Republicans. And Obama pretty much wasted his first term trying to mollify them. I think he’s finally stumbled upon a strategy that’s better: simply not give them what they demand. Because this is a deliberate strategy to hold the government hostage."

http://www.salon.com/2013/10/08/ex_gop_insider_unloads_blame_neo_confederate_insurrectionists_for_shutdown/

[City Lights]

3. Good! nt

[malaise]

4. K & R

Fugg 'em!

[DireStrike]

5. We'll see.

I'm leaning towards believing this, actually. The teahadists have threatened the one thing Obama actually cares about - the institution of the US government.

But history will tell the tale.

Edit: And I'm glad that he said this (or had Carney do it.) It was the right thing to do.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

33. Watch the prices of the health-insurance stocks. If they drop from legislators and related parties

selling their stock, that will be an indication of another capitulation.

[MoonRiver]

6. Keep up the good work President Obama!

[B Calm]

7. I still think raising the debt limit should not be decided by the people who spent the money, it

should be automatically increased when they spend it.

[freshwest]

11. It used to be, AFAIK. It is only done to Democrats by Republicans. Not vice versa.

[elehhhhna]

8. wow, good one obama

that's the guy I thought I voted for. WELCOME BACK!

[Pretzel_Warrior]

9. Translation: I won reelection, dipshits. Or put another way

[Turborama]

16. I was thinking: "You lost the Presidential election & popular vote, again. Deal with it"

[calimary]

38. How 'bout "SORE LOSERMEN!!!!" ?

Nobody's using that one anymore. They practically painted it on our bodies. They damn near laminated it to our faces back at the end of 2000 and 2001. WHY are we not turning it around and shoving it back down their throats? Because that's EXACTLY what they are. SORE LOSERMEN!!!! Let's hang it around THEIR necks where it belongs!

[TheKentuckian]

10. Good, anything else is stupid to the point of being an accomplice.

[BlueCaliDem]

12. As it should be. K&R eom

[Coyotl]

13. YES. As it should be.

[Gothmog]

14. Good

Negotiating with terrorists is always a bad idea

[ltheghost]

15. The Rock Obama is coming out

He has had it with these nutcases. FINALLY! You can only push a good man so far. Good for Obama! If the country has to go down because these crazy Republicans are being ignorant, then let Rome burn. We will be okay, we just have to weather the storm together!

[calimary]

39. Glad he finally reached his own limit.

Makes me wonder what took him so long. I guess he regarded them with more respect and normal give-and-take than they deserve! They deserve NOTHING.

What they deserve is to be sent upstairs to bed without supper.

What they deserve is to have it jammed down their miserable scrawny throats, and then drop-kicked through the front door.

What they deserve is NO REINFORCEMENT OR REWARD FOR BAD BEHAVIOR!!! Even Dr. Laura Schlessinger would tell you that! And she's pretty much one of 'em.

What they do NOT deserve is to get their way after throwing a temper tantrum like this. Would any of them raise their children that way? (Uh... don't answer that. Because I'm no longer sure about these assholes - that they'd do ANYTHING correctly or reasonably or properly! Hell, they'd probably think some five-year-old snot-nosed tantrum-thrower was being "heroic" or "valiant" or "courageous" or "gutsy" - standing up for what he or she BELIEVES!!!! )

[ProSense]

17. Remarks by the President at FEMA Headquarters

Remarks by the President at FEMA Headquarters
Full text here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023803151

<...>

We’re not going to negotiate under the threat of further harm to our economy and middle-class families. We’re not going to negotiate under the threat of a prolonged shutdown until Republicans get 100 percent of what they want. We’re not going to negotiate under the threat of economic catastrophe that economists and CEOs increasingly warn would result if Congress chose to default on America’s obligations.

Now, the other thing I heard over the weekend was this notion that Congress doesn’t have the capacity to end this shutdown. The truth of the matter is there are enough Republican and Democratic votes in the House of Representatives right now to end this shutdown immediately, with no partisan strings attached. The House should hold that vote today. If Republicans and Speaker Boehner are saying there are not enough votes, then they should prove it. Let the bill go to the floor and let’s see what happens. Just vote. Let every member of Congress vote their conscience and they can determine whether or not they want to shut the government down.

My suspicion is -- my very strong suspicion is that there are enough votes there. And the reason that Speaker Boehner hasn’t called a vote on it is because he doesn’t, apparently, want to see the government shutdown end at the moment unless he’s able to extract concessions that don't have anything to do with the budget. Well, I think the American people simply want government to work. And there’s no reason that there has to be a shutdown in order for the kinds of negotiations Speaker Boehner says he wants to proceed. Hold a vote. Call a vote right now, and let’s see what happens.

The second thing Congress needs to do is to raise the debt ceiling next week so the Treasury can pay the bills that Congress has already spent. That's what most Americans do if they buy something -- if they buy a car or if they buy a house, if they put something on a credit card, they understand they’ve got to pay the bills.

This is something routine. It’s been done more than 40 times since Ronald Reagan was President. It has never before been used in the kind of ways that the Republicans are talking about using it right now. We can't threat an economic catastrophe in the midst of budget negotiations.

So authorize the Treasury to pay America’s bill. Pass a budget, end the government shutdown, pay our bills, and prevent an economic shutdown.

<...>

[BlancheSplanchnik]

34. !

Yeah!

Love it when he puts his foot down.

[MrScorpio]

18. Damn Skippy!

[The Time is Now]

19. I admire

our President's clear resolve in this crisis. Sadly, by saying that "it will always be Congress's responsibility to raise our debt ceiling" he appears to have ruled out either the platinum coin or the 14th Amendment solutions. I was hoping the adult in the room could take care of this; that sanity could triumph over insanity.

[calimary]

40. Welcome to DU, The Time is Now!

Glad you're here! It's too bad we can't do something about that "Congress has to allocate the funds..." and "it's Congress's job to be in charge of the budget" stuff. They've proven by now that they're completely unable to handle a big job like this responsibly. It should be taken away from them and assigned to some other entity, because they simply can't, or won't manage it properly or responsibly.

[calimary]

41. But MAYYYYYYBEEEEE... what if we started putting that meme out there?

What if we started stirring the pot? Get a conversation started. In public. Online. In the blogs. On Daily Kos. Here. Facebook. ANYWHERE! Put it out there - END Congress's jurisdiction over budgetary matters!!! They've proven they can't handle this huge responsibility that was entrusted to them. If you crash the car or run up too many tickets, what do Mom and Dad do? If they're sensible and grounded in reality and reasonable adulthood, they'll take the damn keys and driving privileges away!

How 'bout we start spreading this around - hopefully it'll go viral!

[calimary]

42. And even if it goes nowhere, it might shake 'em up a little to know this is percolating out there.

Nobody's brought this up before. What if we started doing that? Challenge THEIR legitimacy!!!! Make it clear that there's YET ANOTHER insurrection movement starting to build out there.

[The Time is Now]

43. Simpler still

Just repeal the legislation that has created the debt limit. This ain't in the constitution. Then the debt goes up or down according to the need to cover all bills enacted into law. Worked fine for years until, wait for it, Republicans got nervous in the face of Roosevelt's stimulus efforts. Of course, these debt limits are acts of congress and don't, I believe require a presidential signature, so they can only be revoked by an act of congress, which has become oxymoronic, the nicest kind of moronic that applies.

[wordpix]

20. how about taxing the rich Kochs, Romneys et al? Why are tax havens still allowed?

Why do the rich pay a lower % on their dividend income than workers pay on their income tax? geesh, today I heard Boner complaining about how high the debt ceiling is, and waaaaah, O won't do anything about it. When will the rich asses have to pay? they not only make high salaries but pay less % in tax than I do as a middle (barely) income earner.

[Hekate]

26. Because Congress Makes the Laws. They are the Legislative branch.The President cannot wish that away

[Liberalynn]

21. I am glad the President remains firm on this regarding the CR and debt ceiling

He needs to continue to hold firm after too. The Tea Pukers should not get to do what the majority of the country does not want them to do through any sort of "negotiations," regardless of when they are held.

Elections not negotiations should be the deciding factor.

[angrychair]

22. HOLD.THE.LINE.

nt

[ffr]

23. THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!

Thank you President Obama for taking a stand. Enough is enough. And Americans love a president who stands for something.

20 recs!

[Scurrilous]

24. K & R

[BootinUp]

25. The pukes have got him a little riled up now

mistake.

[Kablooie]

27. I wish I could be so confident.

If he doesn't negotiate it will be the very first time in his presidency.
He has said this before several times and it always has ended with a negotiation.
He said he wouldn't negotiate because then the stakes would be raised next time.
He negotiated and the stakes were raised this time.

I don't see any reason for this to be different.

Sorry.
I expect him to negotiate at he last minute to the detriment of all America in order to prevent world economic collapse.

And the stakes will be higher next time.

[Lifelong Dem]

32. The difference is this is non-negotiable

Today or years down the road, this is non-negotiable. We default it's all on the Repubs. Boehner will be out, especially since all he had to do was take a vote in the House. Which I think he will eventually allow or the Repubs won't have a chance for the WH in the next 20 years if they default.

[Live and Learn]

28. As it should be.

Tip of my hat to Obama on this one.

[TBF]

29. He has had the patience of a saint but they have finally pushed him too far -

thank goodness.

No reelection to worry about this time.

Good job Mr. President!

[SunSeeker]

30. Yes. "Fear the wrath of a patient man." nt

[uponit7771]

31. +1

[flamingdem]

46. The Rock Obama

has appeared? LOL well I always thought he was strong but bound by circumstance and rule. In a way he built his credibility for this moment by being sometimes too open to compromise. In an 11th dimensional chess fashion he may just wreck the Repukes for years to come!

[SlipperySlope]

35. Corners are being backed into.

At some point this becomes scary. Words will be eaten.

[Initech]

37. The teabaggers don't even know what the debt limit is.

[flamingdem]

44. Neither do their voters

[Uncle Joe]

45. I just wish he would challenge the Congress for violating the 14tn Amendment.

Thanks for the thread, ProsSense.