CNN Reporting tentative deal reached on shutdown

[Richard D]

http://americablog.com/2013/10/tentative-government-shutdown-debt-ceiling-deal-reached-well-senate.html

In a nutshell, the deal is:

* Fund the government until January 15th, 2014.

* At the same time, budget negotiations start and finish by December 13th, 2013.

* And the debt ceiling, that expires this Thursday, would be lifted and extended through February 15th of 2014.

[nadinbrzezinski]

1. So we can do it again

[kelliekat44]

46. Believe me, it won't be the same next time around. This is as good as it is going to get for now.

Take it!

[nadinbrzezinski]

50. I am not the one complaining

But whatever

[munster69]

60. CBS world news mention a change in Obamacare also

Dems do not need to concede to anything!

[DefenseLawyer]

2. That's the entire deal?

No medical device tax delay or any of the other Republican demands? Is the house on board with this?

[steve2470]

3. better than a default I guess, sigh nt

[Cha]

18. As one of millions and millions who would be

in a hell of pickle.. not to mention our Country and Gov.. I'd say Hell Yeah!

[steve2470]

26. I just hate this tactic of theirs

As a nation, we can't afford to say "Tough nuggies we'll default, no more negotiation". They know, pretty much, that the default blackmail game gets them something. Would we Democrats ever do this ? I really don't think so, it's not in our political genes.

I'm with you, Hell yeah ! The alternative is too bad to contemplate.

[Cha]

33. I'm soothing my soul by thinking

the Karma on these Domestic Teaorrists will be Blowback in the magnitude of which they never could imagine.

[steve2470]

43. I hope they get that blowback too ! nt

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

53. All the better reason to be active in 2014

[Cha]

66. AbsoFreakinLutley!

[jtuck004]

64. The alternative is that life would pretty much go on for most people as the government

would provide funding for most basic stuff, after a short period of relative uncertainty. Else there would be total anarchy, which the less crazy heads would not let happen. The people that would REALLY be hurt are those with hundreds of millions to billions in assets, as the find their money pool that is coming from the backs of ordinary citizens dries up.

The banks gonna repossess ALL the homes? And sell them to whom? Who believes such nonsense? Rich people gonna let the hospitals that might save them close? Oh, please. And they have to eat too - think they can be safe in their enclaves while the world deteriorates around them? Maybe for 30 days, if they have the water. Then they are dead.

People with not much or nothing would find that they still get through the day about the same way - except for all the house negroes, as Malcom X wouild have described them, that would whine incessantly about the need to restore the wealth of the Mi$$ RobMe crowd to prevent worldwide tragedy, because of all those "poor people" as they call them.

It's like the imaginary badness that people used, and still use, to make excuses as to why we had to give the criminal bankers trillions of dollars to profit from, money that otherwise would, and could, be used for schools and jobs, because of this mythical "alternative that is too horrible to contemplate".

The thing I find too horrible to contemplate is nearly an entire country living on a plantation without the backbone to walk away from the tyrants that rule them, and probably never will.

[AlinPA]

4. It looks like a DOA deal for the House.

[TeamPooka]

23. Yup. Those nuts have already spent the ransom money in their heads.... nt

[Uncle Joe]

5. Kicked and recommended, although they should still challenge the Constitionality of the debt ceiling

as this only serves to kick the can down the road,

Thanks for the thread, Richard D.

[Bjorn Against]

6. As long as there is no poison pill this sounds like a big win for our side

While the extension should be longer it does look like a clean resolution with no real concessions made to the Republicans unless there is something I am not seeing. I just don't know if House Republicans will even allow a vote on this, the Teabaggers will not be happy.

[Warren DeMontague]

8. Thats true.

They may not be so eager to pull this shit again.

Still, expecting them to behave rationally is a sucker's bet.

[cui bono]

22. Even with a CR it's not a win at all for our side.

The budget spending we are extending has the sequester in it. That is not what we want. That is what the Banana Republicans wanted.

And yes, now we have to see if Cantor allows the House to vote on it.

Hopefully one good thing that might come out of this whole debacle is that TPTB will realize they need to shut down the crazy and "normalize" their party again.

[Bjorn Against]

38. It is true that the CR is not the CR many of us would like to see

The reason this is a win for us however is that this debate was really not about the sequester cuts, it was about whether or not the Republicans could successfully force their agenda through by taking hostages. If this deal goes through and they don't get a single one of their demands fulfilled it will be a devastating defeat for them, they will suffer huge political damage with nothing to show for it.

Those sequester cuts were going to be in place even if they had not shut down the government, now because they so overplayed their hand we will be going into negotiations with the upper hand and we can push for those sequester cuts to be restored.

[cui bono]

63. Agreed. I just feel it's important to not get so elated thinking we "won" the war,

when it's really just a battle.

We have tons of work to just get us back to normal.

[onenote]

51. This compromise will not be subject to the "rule" adopted in H.Res. 368

That "rule" governed the House's consideration of the original CR, H.Joint Res. 59 and only when the two houses had reached a stage of disagreement. This would a new version of the CR that came over to the House from the Senate. Since the language in this CR will not have ever been considered by the House, it cannot have reached the "stage of disagreement" yet. That would require the House amending the Senate bill and sending back to the House and the Senate sending it back insisting on its language (or sending it back with a request for a conference that the Senate rejects).

The key here probably will be the vote in the Senate -- if a significant number of repub senators support it (8 to 10), then the pressure ramps up on the House. That doesn't mean that they won't try tinkering with it and sending it back, but if the Senate sticks to its guns on a "bipartisan" approach, it will be total suicide for the House not to give it up.

[cui bono]

62. Thank you for the info.

And thank you for all the other info I read from you in another thread, I don't remember which one. It's good to have a calm, reasoned and informative voice among us.

[Warren DeMontague]

7. Wow, a whole 3 months before we get to do this again?

How generous.

[jmowreader]

42. Yup. The new deadline is just weeks before the 2014 primary season

People's attention spans are short, but they're not all that short...if the Repukes try shutting down the government a month before the primary elections happen, quite a few of them will lose their seats in March.

[earthside]

9. I do not want a default!

I am close enough to retirement that I absolutely do not want to see yet another collapse of the stock market.

On the other hand, my god, it is insanity to accept a 'deal' that is going to make the nation go through this 'crisis' again in just three and four months.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

41. Agreed. Why we lettin Rethugs off the hook when we got em down & almost out. Unreal!

[Warren Stupidity]

10. I don't see how this gets through the house.

[Zorra]

11. Looks like we stared 'em down for now, if that's all there is to the deal. nt

[CatholicEdHead]

12. That is just the Senate

we do this all over in three months, but the House will not go for any of this.

[NightWatcher]

13. kicks the can down the road and doesn't defund Obamacare?

Ya think the House will pass it?

[woo me with science]

14. Perpetual governance by crisis.

By design.

[1000words]

16. +1

[Fumesucker]

17. Somewhere Simpson and Bowles are clinking glasses chilled with bespoke $75 ice cubes

[Triana]

19. Yep. Another damn short-term 'deal'. Shit. n/t

[adirondacker]

59. Shocking! nt

[NuclearDem]

15. You would think the unfavorable ratings of the GOP

and the disgust over this whole sad episode would have been enough for the Democrats to completely do away with this debt ceiling bullshit once and for all.

This is really getting old. At best, the Dems are constitutionally incapable of giving the Republicans the governing kick in the teeth they deserve. At worst...well, I don't feel like getting TS'd today.

[socialist_n_TN]

20. Everything is really short term.......

and of course, the big question is "Will it pass the HOR?" Those budget "negotiations" having to be done in 2 months PROBABLY means that the BEST deal that will be gotten is Sequester level spending made permanent. That's what bargaining under time pressure will do. And it wouldn't surprise me to see ANOTHER sequester-like deal where they kick the can down the road AGAIN for even FURTHER cuts to domestic programs.

Fucking dog and pony show. I wonder if a couple of million people camping out in D.C. chanting "NO CUTS! NO CUTS" would do any good?

[cui bono]

24. If that's ever planned I will buy stock for the very first time.

For Pepper Spray.

You know when it's "our" side it's anything goes to get rid of us.

[socialist_n_TN]

30. Well even Engels benefitted from the capitalist system.....

(family money) while trying to overthrow it. But I get your point. Pepper spray futures would go through the roof! I'd still like to try it though.

[cui bono]

37. I'm with you. We need to stop cuts.

I was totally kidding about the pepper spray stock. Reminds me though, did you ever see the Amazon pepper spray reviews during the OWS spraying sprees? I can't find them now, but they were hilarious.

[socialist_n_TN]

39. Nope, I didn't see those, but.......

sometimes humor is the best way to get through tough situations.

[cui bono]

40. Yes, indeed. n/t

[Coyotl]

21. So, Obama did not hold out for Sharia law?

[OregonBlue]

25. I'll wait until it's confirmed by a reliable news organization before I believe it.

[senseandsensibility]

29. lol

Exactly.

[peacebird]

27. Open the govt again too?

[Turbineguy]

28. The short-term nature of the bargain still hurts the US.

So at least that's a victory for the Teabaggers.

[daleanime]

31. So it would be......

let's do this again after the holidays?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

44. Yes, why this deal sucks. Ball-less wonder Reid stuck on stupid.

[yoyossarian]

32. Good news generally...

But the Creeps will keep doing this again and again until they are arrested and tried for sedition.
Imho.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

47. Sorry, don't see the good news here. Rethugs had no option but to capitulate, but now we give em months to regroup.

[tularetom]

34. Doesn't sound like much of a deal to me

The Dems should hold out for an increase in the debt limit that assures at least a one year extension.

Of course it's coming from CNN so there's a pretty good chance it isn't true.

[alcibiades_mystery]

36. Would you go default or extension through February 15?

If those were your only two choices, hypothetically?

[onenote]

45. sadly, it looks like some DUers would prefer default

[tularetom]

71. Well, that's sorta like asking if I'd prefer to be drawn and quartered

or burned at the stake.

I would sincerely hope that there would be other alternatives, like not killing me at all.

Obviously given those two choices I would take the 4 month extension. At least that would give the moneyed republicans time for a come to jesus meeting with the dumbasses and hopefully put an end to this crap.

But I can still hope for something better.

[alcibiades_mystery]

72. By February 14, we'll have a really good look at the moderate R's primary position

If the Teahadis look significantly weakened then (I think they will), then you crush them. I don't think the extension to february 14 is a particularly bad deal at all, especially since there doesn't seem to be anything given away behind it. If it gets through the House, it's a near total GOP capitulation.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

48. Hope you're right.

[alcibiades_mystery]

35. The original CR only lasted through November 15, so this is actually a two month extension

There were going to be budget negotiations even if the House passed the Nov. 15 CR and avoided the shutdown, so that's not really a Dem concession at all: the Dems have wanted to go to conference on the budget since April!

February 15 for the debt limit is shit, but much, much, much, much better than default - and if there's no real concession for it, then so what? GOP's going to try another round of this in February? Obama has already made clear that he's not bargaining on the debt ceiling, and he's apparently keeping his word here. That's going to change in February? I don't think so.

Everybody's assuming that we'll lose in the budget negotiations, especially on sequester levels. I'mn not convinced of that at all. Plenty of GOPers want sequester levels ended, especially in the Senate. This might actually be the end of the Teabaggers: if moderate repubs think the Tea position has eroded significantly, they'll alienate the Teahadis and negotiate like normal humans. Teabaggers have a lot to come back from now, and I don't think they get back by February.

[Ellipsis]

49. After Christmas and far enough before elections... a politically non-exciting dead zone

Sorta like one those plastic gyres in the oceans... dangerous to our future, yet low key and unassuming.

[lostincalifornia]

52. So will they bring it on the house floor for a vote?

[warrenswil]

54. Good news but largely irrelevant

The news out of the US Senate is positive, but the real battle is still in the House.
With new polls out today, it is quite clear as we wrote a few days ago that
Republicans are losing the battle for public opinion
Are Tea Party Republicans blind? They are holding the speaker of the House (and everyone else) hostage as financial Armageddon approaches.
This is very unfortunate. The Senate is little more than a debating society without the cooperation of the House.
In the (K)now

[blkmusclmachine]

55. No good. Default, HERE WE COME.

Thursday should be very interesting.

[TrollBuster9090]

56. GOSH, that sounds exactly like THIS PREDICTION:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/101676087

Is The New Republic THE NEW NOSTRODAMUS?

[Snake Plissken]

57. I wonder which opera the baggers will be preforming in February

Since the baggers don't have any toes left to shoot off, and the public has enough of their drama, it should be interesting.

[liberalmuse]

58. I am SO over this shit.

Seriously, it is time to break out the pitchforks and storm these fuckers. Enough is enough. I'm done being a spectator. Every goddamned year Americans are held hostage by these reality-challanged assholes and I'm sick of it! Cruz, Boehner, Mitchell, Palin, Bachman and all of their ilk need to be shot into space, "Gravity" style.

[obxhead]

69. There are thousands chomping at the bit

to replace them.

Until the media reports facts and we educate the masses about the function of government nothing will change.

[pangaia]

61. Budget negotiations? WHAT budget negotiations?

Not aiming that at you Richard, but the demo politicos.

[GatorOrange]

65. We're putting a critically injured GOP brand...

In a medically induced coma for a few months, giving it a chance to gain strength/formulate an attack, and risk being in the exact same spot we are in now come early 2014.

Why can't we just put the stake through the hearts of these sorry sack of crap TeaPublicans already?

[gopiscrap]

67. will it get though or will Cruz derail it?

[RebelOne]

68. I will wait until Washington Journal tomorrow morning.

They will probably have the true scoop.

[alarimer]

70. And the first hostage is shot.

This is a stupid deal.

Fuck the Republicans. Nothing less than their caving ENTIRELY is good enough.