I guarantee you’ll see every House Repuke promising to keep granny’s bennies safe from the mean Dems

[kpete]

First of all, our long-term deficit is 100% the result of projections of skyrocketing health care costs, which is the product of an extraordinarily dysfunctional health care sector, not overly generous social insurance programs. If we could bring our costs down to what even the bigger spenders like Canada shell out for health care, our deficit problem would vanish. Cutting Medicare and Medicaid benefits – the drivers of long-term deficits in these projections–would only push back the date at which those programs eat the entire federal budget. (Extrapolate far enough into the future and a single Advil will cost a quadrillion dollars.) Reforming the health care sector is what will actually make a difference, and Obamacare seems to be having some positive effects so far.

Second, not only is cutting Social Security completely unnecessary – the program is solvent into 2033 at least, after which point it can still pay 75 percent of current benefits, and could be patched up with only a couple minor tweaks — we actually should be increasing benefits, if anything. As Duncan Black never tires of pointing out, the 401(k) program has been an abject failure, and millions of people are about to retire with totally inadequate savings. Boosting Social Security is probably the only workable option to prevent a huge increase in senior poverty.

Third, lets not forget the macroeconomic angle. Democrats seem to have trouble keeping their eye on the ball here, but cuts to social insurance (especially to Social Security) means melon-baller scoops out of aggregate demand, which is already weak. It means fewer jobs and even more prolonged economic weakness going into the 2014 elections. And Dems’ proposed swap, tax increases on the rich, also subtracts from aggregate demand, though not nearly as much. (Tax-side austerity is still austerity.) Again, right now the actual problem with the budget deficit is that it’s coming down too fast.

Finally, remember what happened when Democrats cut social insurance as part of Obamacare? Republicans ran against them for it! These were mostly cuts to providers, not benefits, but it’s a good reminder of just how popular these programs are. If there is a big budget deal with swingeing cuts to social insurance I guarantee you’ll see every House Republican promising to keep granny’s bennies safe from the mean old Democrats.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2013/10/21/washington-is-still-stuck-in-the-wrong-conversation/

[doc03]

1. My rep has a teleconfrance at least every other week telling us how he is working to

save SS and Medicare. He voted to default (Bill Johnson (R) Ohio) . I got a mail ad from the AARP about Obama's plan for
Chained CPI? Those bastards are going to sit back and say they want entittlement reform and let Democrats make the sugestions
and take the blame. I think that is their plan for the 2014 elections.

[KoKo]

2. Which suggests that SS Chained CPI should never have been put on the Table

by our Democrats in the first place?

[Zorra]

3. Third Way Dems seem intent on snatching bitter, agonizing defeat from the jaws of victory once

again.

Just doing their "job", I imagine.

[Sivart]

4. That is ok with me......

White house does not want to cut SS......but they also know who they are dealing with.....

So, white house "leaks" that various SS cuts are on the table........Republicans predictibly rail against this becaue this is what they do about anything the white house wants.......

Result - the white house does not have to argue with republicans about not cutting SS.

Problem solved.

Probably not the way it works, but who knows.....