Democrats should be united, under our leadership, on... everything

[cali]

In the face of the horrific republican agenda. democrats should unite behind leadership. They're more informed than the rank and file and god knows they're smarter.

We shouldn't criticize anything that the dem leadership is doing until after they do it. Until that happens we should insist that everything that in any way criticizes or leads to potential criticism of the administration and congressional leadership, is nothing but right wing devilry and we shouldn't become dupes by criticizing.

We shouldn't criticize the TPP. For pity's sake, we don't even know most of what's in the TPP. It could be great!. And if the administration wants the TPA (aka fast track for trade agreements) passed in Congress, well, they damn well must need it for the greater good.

We shouldn't EVER criticize the possibility of dems moving toward entitlement cuts. We all know that couldn't be a real possibility.

And what, for the love of all that's sacred, is all this fuss about the NSA? It's capably led by Starship Commander Keith Alexander. They're keeping us safe. They aren't breaking any laws. Senators Wyden, Leahy and Udall aren't doing us any favors by picking away at the NSA. We should all support Senator Feinstein who has vowed to fight to defeat Senator Leahy's legislation that would seriously harm the NSA's mandate of keeping an eye on the communications of all Americans.

We need to stay united and beat republicans. Criticizing the administration as entangled with corporations is a bridge too far. In fact, criticizing the administration or this President in any way, shape or form, just helps republicans and tea baggers and you don't want to do that, do you? Or maybe you do. Maybe you secretly support the teahadists. Hell, maybe you are one.

So let's all agree to support the democratic leadership in all their noble endeavors!




* a tip of the hat to you-know-who

[daleanime]

1. Now my head hurts....

[LuvNewcastle]

2. I love me some Feinstein. She's so fucking fein.

I'd like to shack up with her in one of those old post offices.

[cali]

3. She's a damn good ol' gal!

[AnotherMcIntosh]

4. Third-Way cali ?

Count me in.

Maybe.

[cali]

5. well, using satire to say something- at least in this case.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

13. In my experience, only liberals, progressives, and other open-minded people appreciate satire

and sarcasm. (It can be overly done, however.)

For some reason, authoritarian-inclined people just don't get it. Perhaps it has something to do with their binary thinking process.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

23. Are you kidding me? True-believer liberals are some of the most

Earnest and humorless people I've seen. Witness the bumper sticker thread.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

28. 1) Your mileage may vary.

2) Your reference to "bumper sticker thread" is unintellible. I have no idea as to what you mean. Please don't tell me what you mean. You probably intend for your reference to "bumper sticker thread" as an insult and I don't care.

3) You've encountered liberals? Good for you. Maybe you can learn something. Or not.

[11 Bravo]

6. Damnit! I lost the bet! Why couldn't you have posted this 20 minutes earlier?

I had a $20 wager with another DUer that you would post one of your patented anti-this-administration rants before noon today. Shit!

[cali]

8. How can you call this anti-administration, dear brother Bravo?

Solidarity with our leadership!

[11 Bravo]

12. There are many things that you do exceedingly well. Sarcasm does not appear to be one of them.

[cali]

16. it's more satire than sarcasm, but I'm crushed that you think I'm not good at it.

I'm a slave to your exalted opinion.

I value it above rubies, Brother Bravo.

[11 Bravo]

19. Jonathan Swift called. He suggests that you find a new hobby, Sis.

[cali]

27. I'm flattered that you're so interested in my 'umble thread, Brother.

[11 Bravo]

38. When viewed from a distance pathology, while disturbing, can still be captivating.

[cali]

39. Ah, but you're not viewing from a distance, esteemed brother Bravo

You're down in the muckety muck.

[11 Bravo]

47. Au contraire, Sis. There are people and attitudes that I scrupulously keep at arm's length ...

(and then some).

[cali]

49. you're here. in this thread. this is the muckety muck, bro

[11 Bravo]

59. Wrong, Sis. Alan Grayson and Elizabeth Warrren are in the muckety muck. Bobby Kennedy was ...

in the muckety muck. This is an internet message board. (Feeling a little bit self-important today, are we?)

And golly gee, I could keep this up all day, but I have a doctor's appointment. Have a special afternoon ... maybe the President will be photographed using the wrong fork at lunch or something, and you can REALLY rake him over the coals.

[cali]

94. lol. I think you misinterpreted how I meant (misused) "muckety muck"

not as high and mighty but as in the muck.

and of course the lies about how I rake Obama over the coals flow freely.

hope all is well with you health wise.

[Rex]

25. +1

[Jackpine Radical]

14. Did you specify the time zone?

Still before noon here.

I hope you're grateful that I took up precious time to try to save your bet for you.

I'm working on my new cookbook for seniors, "101 Delicious Ways to Prepare Catfood."

[AnotherMcIntosh]

29. It ought to be a hit,

even as satire.

[RC]

72. You're giving away the book, correct?

Otherwise how are we to afford it? Skip lunch? Or maybe visit the dumpster behind Rosie's instead?

[Jackpine Radical]

80. Hey, that's your problem.

I'm a capitalist now.

[RC]

81. Well, I guess it's Rosie's now.

[JoePhilly]

78. Here's an exchange from earlier today that should make you laugh.

Take a look at my response to Cali's "OMG, SS cuts are hurtling towards us OP".

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3936113

Then read, Cali's response, and my response to that response.

The point, some things are easy to predict.

[Demo_Chris]

7. Well said. I, for one, welcome our new overlords. nt

[BluegrassStateBlues]

9. LOL

[Pretzel_Warrior]

10. Your snark is duly noted

Drama kick, fools!

[cali]

11. bwahahahahaha.

your ire is showing, pretzel. And care to explain EXACTLY who you're calling fools, pretzel? That could be fun, pretzel.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

17. Not angry. Smirking, actually

The desperation in your post is palpable. It jumps off the screen. "PLEASE everyone! Let us return to a climate of bashing Obama and elected Democrats 24/7!"

The fools thing was just a way of signing off with words that used the acronym dkf. Cuz I'm evil.

[cali]

18. lol. certainly doesn't come off that way, Pretz

and funny that no one else can see your fictional "desperation". I enjoyed writing that.

Oh, and my tagline? That's just me signing off to... well, you know.

[corkhead]

15. Nobody who is from "Cali" uses "Cali"

[11 Bravo]

20. Maybe she's a huge "Lassie" fan, but a shitty speller?

[cali]

22. Another arrow to my tender heart!

[Kolesar]

68. Yeah, but one of them drinks wood alcohol...eom

[cali]

95. I'm sorry to hear that you indulge in that. Not surprise, but sorry, hon.

[adirondacker]

21. Rabblerouser!

[Myrina]

24. Funny how they do act like that but when it's thrown in their faces they get upset?

Methinks they doth protest too much.

[cali]

26. I'm series!!1

[MisterP]

51. same reason it's the ones who say that the GOP is like the Nazis and is gonna put us in the Alex

Jones camps that also say we can't ever criticize GOP policies (especially if it comes from Dems)

[Scuba]

30. But I thought blind obedience was supposed to be an admirable trait? No?

[bvar22]

31. YAY!!!!

This is so much EASIER!
You don't have to STAND for ANYTHING,
or waste time thinking about stuff,
just Follow the Leader!



Which way to The Parade?

[L0oniX]

34. Musical chairs = next

[Rex]

32. K&R for pissing off all the Right people!

Ah that never gets old!

[cali]

35. but I stand with those brave stalwarts who stand with our leadership!

[Rex]

37. It is about time you took a stand! Why on earth people

are disparaging you now for doing so...makes one want to take up drinking games! I almost hear a few heads exploding from the OP! Okay, every time you post something positive and a head explodes I take a drink of spiced rum!

I think I am at

[RC]

73. I like puns. That doesn't get old either.

[L0oniX]

33. Bait for the sarcasm challenged ...yer bad!

[cali]

36. no, I'm loyal to our great leaders!

[Whisp]

40. jeesuz

to a hammer, everything looks like a bad democrat nail.

[cali]

41. lol. Hey, do you agree with the op or not?????

[Whisp]

43. I don't usually go past your second sentence/line.

I already know your hammer is waiting for some democrat or other.

[cali]

45. so do you? huh? huh?

[Whisp]

48. slow day for you, cali?

bored, restless leg syndrome?

[Douglas Carpenter]

42. there's nothing wrong with criticizing our leaders as long as we support them in everything they

say and do

[Rex]

44. To some, when we critique any Dem we are

plucking the wings off of a baby angel. It is too much to bare for their beautiful minds. They won't have any of it. You either live in an echo chamber or you are a filthy communist agent. No third way option.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

54. Or too much to bear

[Whisp]

46. that's the way we should treat all our friends, too.

No matter how well they do in anything, make sure you rag on them that they still are not good enough. And no support or compliments! You wouldn't want your friend to get soft on you - you have to keep them on their toes and wondering what the next Great Insult is to them that will lift them up and make a better world for all by this ingenious method.

[cali]

50. Right! Because, goddamnit, Government is just like an individual friend!!!

[Whisp]

53. hmm, I think actual people are elected to govern...

isn't Obama an individual - or do you think he got Borged and Assimilated into this huge big Gubmint thing that the far right hate so much?

[cali]

55. And collectively they form the government. Not an idividual.

And the President is not someone that we know in the way we know a friend.

this ain't rocket science, Whisp, old pal.

[Whisp]

60. well cupcake, that sauce must be strong like bull. n/t

[cali]

62. lol. almost as tasty as

that elixir, bottle republican tears.

I'm enjoying the heck out of this yummy thread and you are certainly part of the reason, whisp.

[Whisp]

63. It's good to hear your delusions make you so happy.

It's sometimes very entertaining, cali. But not often.

[cali]

64. oh sure. you're not all bugged out about this thread

your *misconceptions* (some of us can't get away with accusing other duers of being delusional) as reflected in your many posts in my thread, are entertaining me.

delightfully.

[SidDithers]

52. Better Believe It!...nt

Sid

[Pretzel_Warrior]

57. We look forward to the fusillade of attacks

Against Obama and his administration.

I only ask that if you come to us with a problem(or gripe or complaint) that you also come with a realistic solution.

Everyone can point out problems. Only the wisest among us offer solutions.

[cali]

58. that gets met by you with the same strenuous objections.

making your demand quite ironic, pretz.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

61. I'll take reasoned criticism above irrational lovefest any day.

But I mostly see irrational expectations and irrational attacks. I have repeatedly admitted when a poster argues in good faith about Dem and Obama policies.

[Rex]

74. We? Oh I get it...

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

65. Only the boss (and his lackies) are allowed to criticize the Boss.

Last edited Mon Oct 28, 2013, 03:11 PM - Edit history (1)

[brett_jv]

66. This pretty much is exactly how 'the other side' thinks ...

And frankly it's the only reason they ever 'beat us' is through just this sort of blind loyalty ... cause they damn sure don't beat us through better ideas.

Not saying it's a 'good idea' on that basis, but it's worth keeping in mind.

It's also worth considering 'being the change you want to see' and trying to change the party from within, rather than just complaining on internet boards and with letters to our Congresspeople.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

67. that's right, because internecine disagreement could lead to refusal to vote in primaries,

Which could lead to lockstep extremists taking power and blocking reasoned governance.

Oh....wait.....

(Hyperbole is as hyperbole does.)

[Kolesar]

69. You got out of bed this morning to type this?

Somebody is not making good use of his time.

[cali]

70. lol I'm delighted by the responses on the part of certain people

you are one of them.

delicious. yum, yum, yummy.

[Kolesar]

76. I trained two of my Asian coworkers in electrical engineering concepts

and you did this stuff
very impressive

[MineralMan]

71. Here's a little something I would like to relate:

Many fish bite if you got good bait.
I'm a-goin' fishing
Yes I'm goin' fishing
And my baby's goin' fishing too.

Bum-bump!

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

75. Thom Hartmann just read this OP but missed the sarcasm. nt

[Cleita]

77. Thom Hartmann just read your post on the air

took it seriously. He's refuting it now. I guess you should have put the sarcasm smiley on it. I love Thom and I hope you gently correct him on this.

[cali]

85. Just had a really nice chat with Tom

[Cleita]

91. I listened. You both did well and he

seemed to have a good sense of humor about it. You both actually agree very much with each other.

[cali]

92. Thanks Cleita. He was a good sport about it.

and enjoyable to talk to.

[Laelth]

104. Well done, cali. Thank you. n/t

-Laelth

[alp227]

96. call is on youtube now

And here's the clip of Thom getting trolled:

[Pretzel_Warrior]

97. Cali's on-air phone persona is way more laid back than her DU persona

Perhaps that would be true of the vast majority of us firebrands. Nice job, Cali.

[jsr]

106. Great job!

[lillypaddle]

79. Thom Hartman just quoted this OP

He thinks you mean it.

[cali]

82. I'm on hold waiting to talk to Tom

[Pretzel_Warrior]

83. Tell Tom to say hi to the Russians for me

[lillypaddle]

86. Listening to you right now

good job.

[cali]

89. thanks, lillypaddle. that was fun.

[Kolesar]

99. The high water mark of your "activism"

No donations, no canvassing, no letters to Congress, no letters to the newspaper

[cali]

100. hardly. you know nothing. I've done all of the above

and phone banking too dear.

Making stuff up: Your forte.

[Fumesucker]

102. Agent Mike? Is that you?

[fredamae]

87. Cali

You were magnificent on the Thom Hartmann Show
You are correct.

[cali]

90. and you are too kind.

thanks

[fredamae]

93. You're very welcome :) n/t

[Cleita]

88. Well done. You both shared an interesting conversation. n/t

[Arkana]

84. Nice Third Way Manny impression.

We don't do monolithic hivemind--that's why we're Democrats. The difference is that we don't subject our politicians to unrealistic purity tests. Yes, I'd prefer it if the people I voted for agreed with me on the core issues, but I'm willing to see that there's going to be differences of opinion on a few things.

[Vashta Nerada]

98. I don't blindly follow the leader just because I belong to the same political party.

Part of being educated and informed is to question things that don't make sense and call the leaders out when they mess up.

[steve2470]

101. Third Way Manny, did you hack into cali's account ?

[treestar]

103. constant criticism isn't very helpful either

especially when it is based on a misunderstanding or a pre-disposition to dislike what a leader does. It gets to a point where people really have to wonder if a person is a supporter, as a supporter doesn't generally trash everything.

[jsr]

105. True faith demands complete obedience in all things.